Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Rajam]

Mentos, three questions. By the way, your post directed at me didn't hold my attention, so I ignored it.

1.) Am I scum?
2.) What do you think I will be doing in thread forty eight hours from now?
3.) If one of Gheb and EE is scum, who is it?

"Hey look at me, I'm Ryker; I'm centering the game around me and I'm blatantly anti-town by not responding direct questions in order to stall the game; my purpose is to make people get a town read on me based on dumb reasons"

..."and I make loaded questions btw"

unvote
vote: Ryker

 

[mentosman8]

During my re-read I noticed something I somehow missed when I made the post, and now must call myself out on:

Psh, EE you know I don't play the "make all my reads clear" type of game all that much When I called him out there was no read: it was his first post of the game...

^about Acro

The bolded is false. I don't know if I missed the prior posts the first time, or got them confused with someone else, but yeah, that little bit was definitely wrong. The rest of the post that followed I still stand by, I just wanted to correct myself for that bit of idiocy and falsehood. Reread continuing XD

 

[mentosman8]

@Tandora: Just realized in the last vote count you missed my vote in #417 on Acrostic

@mentos: lacking in content in relation to the reply you gave. I asked you for a list of noticeable events so naturally these are events i believe you would have paid attention to, otherwise why list them? came across like you were paying attention yet didn't seem to comment on them prior, and used a lack of content to get at others. it's meaningful to me because i saw a holding back there, possibly as if you could be perceptive on a whole lot more than you're letting on.

Ahhh I get what you're talking about. To be frank, yes I am perceptive on more than I let on at most times. It is simply the way I play the game. I comment on some things, and others are just internalize my thoughts for later. Now, in specific, why list things that I haven't commented on much prior? They were somewhat less discussed things as a whole, and I was hoping that as such it would lead to some more original conversation by bringing those topics up in particular.

regarding mentos: quite null actually. find him a bit airy >_> as in difficult to grasp on to anything meaningful he's saying outside of auspher being scum and I think acrostic for rvs shenanigans. Also this reply. struggling to find where he has elaborated on things like "gheb's connections/rajam's vote/joey's hyper-sensitive vote" outside of asking more questions and/or commenting loosely, e.g. saying gheb's case on ryu was "weaker". I want to know what's weak about it to it and why etc. Then there's he's question aimed @auspher to provide content, when Glyph has effectively come in and done little (nothing actually) only to be given golden boy treatment. Here's a russian roulette of posts prior to that reply --> odd to me he would claim others "horsed around" and generally pick at posts when his own more serious posts lacked the content he was demanding. is he waiting for others to respond on certain issues first before responding himself?

I'm still rereading mentos/ryker and ryker's break into the game. initial impressions tell me ryker was being a little suzy and mentos was attracted to this.

^@Mentos: what do you make of my analysis? also what are you thinking of Glyph and... Chaco? Outside of Acrostic/Auspher who would you look into? considering you "saved ryker" (or something you mentioned along those lines), what do you think of his content now?

Now, for the rest of this. G-life I'm really not sure how he slipped under my radar for so long, and he NEEDS to start posting legitimately ASAP. Chaco is null due to not being around much, hopefully when he gets talking more I'll get a better handle. Outside of Acrostic/Auspher, as I mentioned I'd join a Ryu lynch. Still a slight lean on Soup like I had earlier in the game, not as strong though.

That's a weird way to say it about Ryker, specially considering I was just being facetious to attempt to goad him, but regardless I've been fine with his contributions since he started playing more.

Nothing new to say really, waiting on that post Chaco promised, and since FF's V/LA was over yesterday I am highly expecting and looking forward to his input soon.

 

[Evil Eye]

Daykill: Mentos

 

[Chaco]

Not sure if that's serious or not... Buttt.

Anyways, as I was reading through, getting just a general feel of the players in this game as of the last few pages, I'll say that I do not like Auspher at all. His motive to me reads survival, especially with the unnecessary aside parts of posts he's making. There's no need to add in that you're better on D2, especially when receiving flak. Also, it doesn't seem Noob Town, or Noob Scum to be honest, it just seems like he's floundering for a reason I cannot discern yet. Am I the only one to get this vibe?

As far as town list or scum list, I don't have one. I'm just drafting the feel of certain players currently, and with that being said, will hop into conversation as it progresses now since I am caught up.

with that being said, @Kat: It is understood after Hentai Mafia that I despise Red Ryu's play when we go head to head or half to work towards a common goal, we both rub each other the wrong way and even made jokes about it in the LoD. Policy lynch was just a joke stabbing at Ryu, nothing more than that.

@Mod and Players: I will be out of town with NO internet access from December 27th to January 3rd. Letting everyone know.

more to come.

 

[Chaco]

@Anyone Familiar with Mentos Alignment Play: what do you make of his activity and wordiness this game? Having played with him as scum and town, I don't see the connection to either faction currently. Usually Mentos is concise and I'm not seeing that.

I really don't know what to come of it yet because, for one Mentos hasn't slipped up anywhere that I can tell, yet. Moving on from there, he's not one to really slip up, or one you catch early in the game. Confusing.

 

[Chaco]

"Hey look at me, I'm Ryker; I'm centering the game around me and I'm blatantly anti-town by not responding direct questions in order to stall the game; my purpose is to make people get a town read on me based on dumb reasons"

..."and I make loaded questions btw"

unvote
vote: Ryker

Hey, cut the **** and make a post. You do exactly what you accuse him of in a worse fashion. The "trying to be funny" style people have developed here mirrors very poor play unless you play it with tact, and even then don't beat it with a shovel. you're detrimental to advancement with stupid posts like this, and quite frankly it just annoys the **** out of me to see you uselessly vote with a useless post. Therefore, guess what? Making you useless. Step it up, or step on out.

 

[Chaco]

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

I just saw a new light to Joey, my Jesus. I can work with you, I understand the way you think! ..I think.

Anyways, I believe you play a bit like I do, when you were reading Auspher's post what is the initial vibe or feel from the post you get?

 

[Chaco]

You reap what you sow. If anyone in town who is actually putting in effort decides they would like the answers to your questions, they may feel more than free to ask me the same questions. Until you have read the entire game and answered my questions, I will neglect to answer any questions from you.

How does this help to advance town when you are also refusing information when the basis of your accusation more than 80% of the time is being a detriment to town? By not answering his questions, you're sinking to the level you accuse him of, and are inversely becoming what you attack.

Lots of unusual Mentos play this game.

 

[Evil Eye]

Kill is serious. Mentos has been rubbing me the wrong way consistently all Day, because he says so much and advances nothing at all. Mentos is reserved about his opinions, but I see nothing that suggests he gives a quarter of a **** what direction things go in. He's a participant in discussions, yet not in action. It's grimy. It's scummy. And now he's dead.

Treat him as dead and resume scumhunting. I'll be back after work to deal with inevitable butthurt.

 

[Dooms]

Are you looking for a specific post from Auspher? Or are you talking about my initial vibe on his play in general?

 

[Chaco]

Kill is serious. Mentos has been rubbing me the wrong way consistently all Day, because he says so much and advances nothing at all. Mentos is reserved about his opinions, but I see nothing that suggests he gives a quarter of a **** what direction things go in. He's a participant in discussions, yet not in action. It's grimy. It's scummy. And now he's dead.

Treat him as dead and resume scumhunting. I'll be back after work to deal with inevitable butthurt.

Nah, man. Read my above posts, can you give me a concise breakdown of what you saw to lead to that action. I believe I mirror your sentiments quite well.

 

[Chaco]

Are you looking for a specific post from Auspher? Or are you talking about my initial vibe on his play in general?

I'm talking whenever you read any of his posts, what stands out to you vibe wise. What motive for his words and action?

 

[Chaco]

I do see your side mang. But read my little case summary on ausupher and tell me its not totally credible. He just DOESNT seem like a noob town, cuz they at least try before throwing in the towel. Usually, it's more common for noob scum to do things like d*** around, or AtE, or yada yada NOT at least put effort into the game. His "lynch me idgaf" attitude seems like it could have been fed to him. I expect emotionally stricken town to replace out. And plus, like (you?) said, it was to MINIMAL pressure. Hes got like two or three votes on him and plenty other people seen as options for the play. I dont believe the product he's selling... Only played with Werekill when (s)he was scum so *shrug*.

If im tunneling, whoops. Just feels too much like Ausupherscum to me.

I doubt a scummate would allow him to suicide like that, and if you don't believe the product he's selling then you feel, like me, he's bent on surviving. No? What causes this thought process? Primarily struggling new town trying to avoid a mislynch in the only way they know how, flailing. However, FoS: Gorf and Circus for attacking similar traits. This is just light suspicioun, and really nothing to it other than I dislike the one sidedness to your case. Also, it is uncommon for noob scum to request a lynch and fire off retorts like lynch me, it just doesn't happen. Noob town, yes. Scum, no.

 

[Chaco]

Gorf, when has the "I don't care", "you'll be sorry" etc etc act, especially this early on, EVER been a scumtell?

Especially from someone that is, in personality, as emotional as Auspher?

I see this wall come up time and time again, with a bunch of obnoxious AtE-ridden WIFOM, and it never seems to go anywhere but a townie ML. If Auspher's the way to go, whatever man, I'll ride that train. But I'm not seeing it. I'm just seeing bad, emotional play. Picture Werekill with a worse grasp of how to play the game; that's what I feel we're working with.

What are YOU seeing that has you so confident?

EXACTLY this post, except with the additional suspicioun raised to Gorf and especially Circus. I feel his ability to differentiate the two would definitely shine through, seems like a widely accepted easy, viable lynch target.

 

[Dooms]

I honestly don't like any of his posts at all and they give me pure scum vibes.

He doesn't attempt to push his votes at all. He'll defend himself and defend why he has a vote out, but he won't defend why he's voting the specific person if that makes sense. What I mean by that is "I'm voting because I want to see how someone reacts with pressure", not with information on what they actually did. He's playing without any scum hunting motivation at all!

"I don't care," is another thing. Saying that you don't care means that you have no intentions to play the game, which means you plan on ridding through the game without giving us ideas on scum through evidence, and it means that you will not be scum hunting at all the whole game.

After all of that lack of scum hunting, he starts going into how we'll regret lynching him with literally every post that has any information relating to the game at all (along with some that don't). I don't know if this is actually scummy or not, but when a person isn't scum hunting at all and doesn't intend to based on their play, and they're trying to keep themselves alive through threats... I'm just adding one and two here.

 

[mentosman8]

Kill is serious. Mentos has been rubbing me the wrong way consistently all Day, because he says so much and advances nothing at all. Mentos is reserved about his opinions, but I see nothing that suggests he gives a quarter of a **** what direction things go in. He's a participant in discussions, yet not in action. It's grimy. It's scummy. And now he's dead.

Treat him as dead and resume scumhunting. I'll be back after work to deal with inevitable butthurt.

Lol EE, I'm going to assume you aren't serious, and if you are, when did you become a rash idiot? Seriously this would be the first and only time I would ever look at you in a game of mafia and be forced to ask myself ARE YOU F***ING ********(callback to your own post). Seriously I think I would have to cry if Dgames most consistently cautious and smart player did something like this when everyone in the game hasn't posted yet.

Now, as I'm going to assume that EE is NOT mentally handicapped, I will respond to Chaco.

@Anyone Familiar with Mentos Alignment Play: what do you make of his activity and wordiness this game? Having played with him as scum and town, I don't see the connection to either faction currently. Usually Mentos is concise and I'm not seeing that.

I can openly admit that my play is different this game than normal, I've been out of mafia for several months and it has affected my play because it's not all routine anymore. I feel I am still making pushes where appropriate, and a bit different=/=scum

How does this help to advance town when you are also refusing information when the basis of your accusation more than 80% of the time is being a detriment to town? By not answering his questions, you're sinking to the level you accuse him of, and are inversely becoming what you attack.

As I mentioned to Ryu(can't tell if you've read that post), there was only one of the questions that was remotely sane, and that was if I thought Ryker was scum. I was mostly null at the time and felt that it had been implied already so I didn't worry about not answering it. The second question would be baseless guesswork on my behalf, the third was a loaded question. I felt like I could take advantage of the questions not really having/needing an answer immediately to try to annoy Ryker into posting, at which point I would explain why I didn't like the questions. I also left it on the table that if anyone else in town felt they were questions worth getting answers to they could ask me to answer them, so I was literally only denying Ryker.

 

[mentosman8]

Oh and also, liking Chaco's contributions so far. Now the only one to wait on is FF

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Mentos don't forget to keep pressure on me too

 

[mentosman8]

Glyph, at this point the only thing I care about is getting confirmation that EE didn't actually just do that, and I probably won't be bothering to post again until there's confirmation one way or the other.

@Town: IF this kill is real and goes through, EE should rocket up the priority list. A daykill like that is dumb or scum, and we all know EE is not dumb. Mafia? Not likely to have a daykill. Indie? Much more likely. I have never seen EE be so brash and do things without even making prior accusations. It is so far out of anything Town EE would do I simply can not believe he would do something like that as town. If I really die, he's a priority. Similarly, although in the social thread it was mentioned Acro was sick, if he doesn't have a strong return to my posts on him I'd say he still remains a good target, as do Ryu and possibly Soup.

@Glyph: Would you post some friggin content already? Sweet troll Jegus.

Incidentally, I was joking about not bothering to post anymore till confirmation. If anyone has any questions or anything they'd like to hear from me before my potential daykill-based-death, feel free to ask : D

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Why stop posting Mentos? You're dead, shouldn't you be doing everything you can to help town?

We're not lynching EE.

Here is some content, in Jegus's name I pray

 

[mentosman8]

Well, my stances are already clear, so I can't personally think of anything else to say XD And if this kill goes through, there is no reason to NOT lynch EE. Seriously, when was the last time you saw EE do something so brash, nonetheless, so early in the game when there's still a player who hasn't posted content? Not to mention, EE has made *literally* not a single comment against me the whole game, that is NOT townEE play whatsoever

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Goodness I never realized what an expert on EE's motives you were, and the idea that there would be nothing left to say is pretty dumb. Even if you've vocalized every single thing you've wanted to thus far, if you were to stop posting entirely, new **** would come up and you would just be ignoring it.

Also, why would EE wait for someone to post before killing someone he thought was scummy? And what, since he hasn't pointed at you and said 'I THINK THIS GUY MIGHT BE SCUM GUYS. JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE', he's not allowed to shoot you?

 

[mentosman8]

It's a matter of the player Glyph. First of all, I know EE respects me as a good mafia player. Secondly, between watching him labor over every vig shot in Bioware mafia, even ones that he was confident on, this is completely out of place. I have literally NEVER seen EE make a brash move like this, nonetheless a couple days into D1, when there is a player who hasn't even posted, and killing a respected high-caliber player who is at WORST to town at large a null read without warning a small part through D1 is INCREDIBLY outside of EE's standard level. I don't think there's a person around who has discussed mafia with EE as much as I have who would not see this kind of move from him incredibly abnormal and on the scummy side.

 

[mentosman8]

Also, I like how you're making a big deal about me saying I wouldn't post anymore when in literally the SAME POST I said I was joking and would continue to be present until I got confirmation. Did you just skip that part entirely, or did you only skip it because you couldn't attack me if you acknowledged it?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Like I'm known for reading everything in a post anyway, but while we're talking about stuff like that I like how it took you this long to bring it up. Be pretty silly of me to just flat out omit a part like that when my entire 'case' could be debunked by you quoting your own post.

And so let me get something perfectly clear for you, you think EE (like the guy who re-reads entire threads 3+ times because he thinks it will net scum), despite all his mafia reputation both as scum and town, just decided to randomly kick reason to the curb and do the impossible? Or rather, illogical, I suppose. Wouldn't that go against the very meta you're citing as a case against him? Did I just open that lovely cask of WIFOM?

I sure did, but only because its something that you as a higher level mafia player shouldn't have overlooked in the first place. EE thought you looked scummy, and he killed you. Sounds good to me, this game was going nowhere fast and now I'm actually having a bit of fun with it.

 

[mentosman8]

That's exactly the point Glyph, this is the kind of thing that only has two explanations: Dumb or Scum. I can not bring myself to believe that EE is that dumb, so I only see the one option. Admittedly it's not instalynch, but the chances of EE being town severely plummet if that was a legitimate kill, and he needs a lot of scrutiny going forward if so.

And yeah it did take me a while to mention it, mostly because I'm more concerned about getting my thoughts out than defending myself when I might be dead already anyways. Priorities Glyphyboy, priorities ^.^

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Yeah, those aren't the only explanations.

Also all you've done since this started (including where I made the post about you not posting and after that) was defend yourself. I think its pretty clear where your priorities are.

 

[mentosman8]

Really, I've mostly defended myself? Where did I do so besides that short bit about me still posting? You're twisting my actions Glyph mah boy, keep it up and you may just accidentally let your scum hang out for all to see

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'll leave that for everyone else to decide, but you calling EE scum sure does seem like you want it to look like his attempt to kill you was unfounded.

And hey, there's some actual progress! Now tell me, am I scummy for this little exchange? What would scum have to gain from pushing a dead player?

 

[Chaco]

I really don't see EE the type to play the fake Daykill out. So Mentos, what should we draw from your death in your opinion? Where should we look besides EE?

 

[Chaco]

mentioned Acro was sick, if he doesn't have a strong return to my posts on him I'd say he still remains a good target, as do Ryu and possibly Soup.

Didn't see this! My question was already answered.

 

[Chaco]

I can openly admit that my play is different this game than normal, I've been out of mafia for several months and it has affected my play because it's not all routine anymore. I feel I am still making pushes where appropriate, and a bit different=/=scum

Definitely understand this. My play changed a lot when I first came back, and it takes a while to develop to the newer player base. However, I just don't get the feel I used to from you, you knowing that I am a gut player, it's just, you feel off to me. It could be the difference in play, but it really seems like the concision has been all but lost and you're fluffing up your posts with more added info than needed to point in many different directions. Even in your summary of who to look to, you name like 5 people. Which also throw me a loop because that lessens any connections to you. While the thoughts are out there and visible to see, the connections is few and far between.

As I mentioned to Ryu(can't tell if you've read that post), there was only one of the questions that was remotely sane, and that was if I thought Ryker was scum. I was mostly null at the time and felt that it had been implied already so I didn't worry about not answering it. The second question would be baseless guesswork on my behalf, the third was a loaded question. I felt like I could take advantage of the questions not really having/needing an answer immediately to try to annoy Ryker into posting, at which point I would explain why I didn't like the questions. I also left it on the table that if anyone else in town felt they were questions worth getting answers to they could ask me to answer them, so I was literally only denying Ryker.

I'll accept that.

 

[mentosman8]

I'll leave that for everyone else to decide, but you calling EE scum sure does seem like you want it to look like his attempt to kill you was unfounded.

And hey, there's some actual progress! Now tell me, am I scummy for this little exchange? What would scum have to gain from pushing a dead player?

First of all, depends on the type of scum. It could be very possibly a different faction of some sort(mafia/indie difference) where they don't know if it's real or not, and are trying to push the player to give up some information in case it's fake(ex inadvertently stating a role, etc).

The fact that you're making a point to twist my actions to being "mostly defending myself" does look scummy. It's not lynchworthy on it's own, no, but seeing as your first contribution of the game was to push and twist the actions of a player presumed to be dead, yeah it looks scummy.

I really don't see EE the type to play the fake Daykill out. So Mentos, what should we draw from your death in your opinion? Where should we look besides EE?

You already saw my answer to that, but I'll put it in a little clearer form than it was there too,

Acrostic(Unless when he feels better he comes back and can defend well)
Ryu
Auspher
*possibly* Soup, but that's not a very strong read

 

[Evil Eye]

I have never seen EE be so brash and do things without even making prior accusations. It is so far out of anything Town EE would do I simply can not believe he would do something like that as town.

It's kind of hilarious that you cite Bioware. Yes I did certainly indeed belabor all of my vig shots. Such as jungle, the mafia indoctrinator I busted some serious caps in without ever expressing so much as a whisper of suspicion of him.

and bro I dunno if you noticed, but you're not the mod in Lost. Tandora is. You don't know what I have talked to her about. Maybe I've been belaboring mentoscum from early on. Hint: I have.

Pressuring people doesn't work for **** when an intrinsic part of their meta is having an answer for everything, such as yourself, so what would be the point of doing so? Other than, y'know, giving you a warning that you need to step out of the element you're playing to that has drawn my scrutiny.

Mentos/G Life McBiceps was interesting. If mantoast flips scum I don't think they're on a scumteam. Either way they are probs not SvS

 

[mentosman8]

Lol whatevs EE, enjoy the townie death and getting your *** ridden for a horrible shot choice once I flip town. I really don't know why I bothered to come back to mafia >_>

 

[Evil Eye]

Don't you give me that face buster you will flip scum and you will LIKE it

 

[mentosman8]

Nope, in fact, I'm going to F'ing laugh my *** off after the flip. So ****ing hard. Not to mention, since when is it a good idea to use a dayvig less than a week into D1? Seriously man, I've seen rookie players use dayvig better than that. In case you can't tell, I'm really ****ing salty about this because of how incredibly stupid it was to make a shot at this point.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

My officially declared V/LA is technically over, but I'm still finishing papers and other loose ends for the end of the semester.

Prod dodgin' n stuff. I've read like the first 8 pages (40ppp). I'll see y'all on the most recent page on Monday. Cheers.

 

[mentosman8]

Well, I'm going to sleep, if there's a death scene posted by the time I wake up I guess go town, hope you enjoy losing me over EE making a stupidly early shot. I'll just be ready to laugh at EE's reaction to taking me out less than halfway through D1 over here.

@Frozen: If you're town I hope you do your thing once you're caught up, I'll probly check your catchup post to see if there's hope.

@town: I'm not all that confident in these, but for what it's worth I'm leaning townie on Gorf, Gheb, and Chaco, nothin too major and probly not even worth mentioning but eh, it's there for ya if you want to hear it.