Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (2) Chaco, Gheb_01
Soupamario: (1) Glyph
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Rajam: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (1) Acrostic
Acrostic: (2) Rajam, Gorf
Ryker: (1) Aushper
Auspher: (1) Circus

Not voting: (6) frozenflame751, Mentosman8, Dooms, Red Ryu, Evil eye, Ryker

Prods for inactivity: None
(Great job guys!)


Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[Rajam]

@Rajam talk to me about acrostic and explain how his wording is defining a scum read to you.

Hi guyz

Penal reference was obviously an RVS joke with regards to you unzipping your pants. Because you know, the thing that pops out is your penis. Serious mode was intentional when seeing we had nine days to secure nine votes after Kevmo mentioned that nothing got down on the previous day, to which I went back and checked the deadline which I thought was rather unforgiving. As for a whole lot, it's not a whole lot of anything as there is very little go off on, but at least it's something to get out of RVS and head in the right direction. The Circus vote justification is something I want to explain at a later time, if it still bothers you and I neglect to address it, then bring it up later on.

vote: Acrostic

bye guyz

Basically, it's a defensive overreaction to an insignificant point, extending an explanation which didn't deserve more than some few words, specially on the green part. About the lavender part: Without it, the last sentence would be an assertive sentence which shouldn't deserve more than that if Acrostic was being honest about explaining that later, but then again he gets over-defensive (now beforehand)

I find this an scummy over-defensiveness, not a null one (even less a townish one), mostly because it's about an insignificant point, and then he gets defensive beforehand

Do you see it Soup?

Ryker, your read on Glyph?

Posts #260, #262, #271, #274, #275, #277, #279... no response...

Question remains btw

Eh, if he started plagiarizing my explanation of my wishwashery it's not like it would be hard to notice. The purpose of the colored part was explaining my strife in seeing what I feel is scummy behavior for Acrostic but not having town games to inform this meta-based analysis. Plus it's not like someone I describe the way I described Acrostic is going to come into the thread and say "my bad guys, I feel a compulsion to try to argue people down under my heel and always win, even if I'm wrong, which I am". It don't jive, son.

To the second bit, I actually dig your reply. I phrased what I said the way I did because I thought you were asking me why I didn't vote for investigative reasons (which I'd already answered to) rather than because you wanted me to do so.

Point taken

I'd like to wait until I'm way more confident in my read or until it's closer to deadline.

What

Won't you even support a wagon meanwhile? You can't be hiding your vote all this time; that's not how D1 works

K.

Ausupher, as far as I'm concerned, has given us absolutely nothing. That in and of itself isn't quite incriminating, cuz I can see noobtown OR noobscum just waving their junk around until things get rolling, but I'd at least expect noobtown to try.

He goes on to state that his contribution was trying to get a wagon on Glyph, and when people told em that that part of the game, where you wagon somebody out of RVS is over, his justification was his being bad at the game.

Let's look at his justification for his initial playing around while things were going on. I can see a noob townie making that same justification, yea. But usually, you can see EFFORT in noob town, of some calibur. I looked back, and it didn't look like he was trying to get a Glyph wagon up to get the game rollin, it looked like... well... joking around. And his reason for doing THAT at that time? He's bad at the game. Nothing else, but being bad at the game. This isn't much more than a feel for me that I really wanna keep looking into, but his play just doesn't seem genuine with what a bad townie does... I mean, at least a bad townie SCUM HUNTS.

EE looks in the box and finds a piece of paper, with the word "Ausupher" on it, and under it...

I like and support this case

Goddamnit Ryker. Why.

hey hey! look who is popping in and out again! For like the 2945324th time...

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@mod: Requesting replacement for frozenflame if he still hasn't posted anything

 

[Tandora]

@mod: Requesting replacement for frozenflame if he still hasn't posted anything[/COLOR][/FONT]

Frozenflame is on announced V/LA until December 16th. If he is unable to participate then, measures will be taken.

 

[Chaco]

Nah, Ryker, that's the first post I had like that all game. But, that was just to inform of my absence and reading.

Currently reading up.

Also, Auspher's level is so low on that, I didn't even get a newtown/newscum read, I got like a newborn read. I literally couldn't see any posting style, motive, ANYTHING, which to me suggests he is town, ad throwing around random accusation. i.e. Glyph

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Posting from the mall.

I'm not scum. Kill me and town is dead.

Just throwing that out there because I don't care anymore.

I've been trying, and still getting pressured from everyone.

I'm sorry I haven't provided content on the level of Ryker.

Where's his pressure?

Stop with the emotional play.

We're pushing because your not trying. Instead of posting three posts like this, you could make one post calling out Ryker.

I'm not pushing him because he has content.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rajam, is Acro's post alone worth more scum point than anything else that has been done by anyone other than Auspher?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, can we still be masons?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This game already over gg wp scum.

Vote Dooms

GG WP SCUM #1 down np np

nice appeal to emotion gg wp scummer

ez pz wagon game over

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

3 pages in(about 1 of actual game): making a fluff post delaying a real post. Bravo. You couldn't have just taken care of the other games and then come in and made a post, you had to post that you were doing so? If you were going to take the time to make that post why not just read the maybe 40-45 posts in 5 or 10 minutes and make your real post?

Also, before I forget,

Unvote

It just seems at this stage in the game, with 28 new posts since the last one you made, that serves no purpose whatsoever other than upping your postcount without posting anything. I'm no stranger to posts that I'll be making something real later, I think everyone here knows I've done it. But I find it as nothing but postcount fluff when you're still on the same page as your last post, it has been less than 24 hours, and has yet to even be a full RL day into the game. Regardless I'll be interested to hear what you have to say, but that post was 100% unwarranted and just there to get an extra post.

Where were you going here?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Four posts into page four (40PPP master race) and Soup is scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ugh, Mentos, ugh, ugh, ugh.

Soup isn't scum if Mentos is scum. Probably.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Acro posts a lot of words when he could easily say things in one sentence. It's getting tedious to read whenever he posts with half of it being failed attempts at humor.

I don't like Kat. Again. I just hate the way he posts.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

6 of 8 posts since I last posted have been literally worthless. Want to guess which two weren't?

RVS is clearly over guys, there's stuff to discuss on the table, why not drop the jokes and fluff and put some content out there?

Make it 7 of 9.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Evil Eye and Glyph are muscle scum team though. Don't know if RR should be a priority.

..........?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

**** this game already.

This.

I'm at the bottom of page five. I have a grand total of two town reads and my lynch pool is deep. Even past that, I wouldn't mourn the death of over half the player list.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

well here's hoping frozenflame's inevitable modkill nets us a bad guy

I laughed.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And then I reached the point where I started posting. This game is ***.

EE, you're wrong about Gheb being scummy.

Mentos, you are sitting there. Just sitting there. So is half the cast.

I'd lynch Lurkus for doing nothing, but would not lynch FF for it. Would you join that wagon, Kat/KevMo/RR?

Auspher has done NOTHING to make me think he's noobtown over noobscum. Reading him is a crapshoot and will probably continue to be a crapshoot for the rest of the game.

Rajam is going to be behind forever and is high on my list of expendables.

In fact, vig list:

1.) FF
2.) Auspher
3.) Rajam
4.) Joey

Vote Gorf

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hi Mentos. I see you there. How's it hanging?

 

[mentosman8]

MY WORD CONTENT FROM RYKER! This makes me happy c: And, since you have decided to play now, I'll hold true to my word and give you your answers.

Mentos, three questions. By the way, your post directed at me didn't hold my attention, so I ignored it.

1.) Am I scum?
2.) What do you think I will be doing in thread forty eight hours from now?
3.) If one of Gheb and EE is scum, who is it?

1.) I couldn't tell you yet. Not only were your only posts at the time of this question very WIFOMy, but you can also be difficult to pick up a good read on. My lean at the time of this question was, despite how much I was hating your play, very slight town.
2.) I don't see the point to asking a question like that. Too much can happen in a game and too much can change. Obviously it is moot at this point, but my first thought when I read that question originally was that there was no way to answer that as any more than a worthless guess.
3.) Loaded question, because currently I'm not seeing either of them as scum so this is pretty much trying to get me to take a stance that I don't actually agree with at the moment.

Gorf and Mentos, should every player be treated in the same fashion? Why/why not?

Quite frankly, no. There are no such things as textbook scumtells, and although meta arguments should be avoided, there are some that are unavoidable because they are SO consistent(Marshy/Kevmo barely posting/barely explaining further, EE posting walls, Cello trying to be the one man show of the town, etc). While I would like to say that you could treat everyone equally, it would be a stupid move not to account for the playing personality of any players.

Where were you going here?

Nowhere in particular, just questioning and seeing how he'd react. I wasn't a huge fan of his actions, however I then came across people who I was more interested in questioning and pushing, and Soup stepped it up a bit from that point.

It is good to see you putting in some effort now, I always hate the feeling that getting rid of an established player simply because they refuse to contribute is a major waste, and I figured holding out and making it a pain for you might help push contribution. No idea if that had the intended effect or not, but it was better than not pushing any motivation.

 

[mentosman8]

Dat ninja!

 

[Deleted member]

Stop with the emotional play.

We're pushing because your not trying. Instead of posting three posts like this, you could make one post calling out Ryker.

I'm not pushing him because he has content.

Wrong. He only now has just provided content. Have you not been reading the thread at all?

 

[Deleted member]

Unvote Vote Red Ryu

 

[Deleted member]

RR, why should I believe that you're town?

3 more posts. Sorry.

 

[Evil Eye]

So does anyone know if acroscum tends to disappear when he gets a hefty dose of The Callout? Because I really think as town he'd have stuck around to argue it out.

 

[Evil Eye]

I ask because I seem to recall a period of absence when Ryker got the jaws on him in utrick'd 2 before he came back to try to battle it, but I could be wrong as it's been a while since that went down.

/lolongoinggames but that part is open and shut now

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He disappeared and then never returned. He went days without showing up and then I quick hammered him. I have no reference off the top of my head to Acrotown's response to pressure.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wrong. He only now has just provided content. Have you not been reading the thread at all?

You're a funny guy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Good to hear all around. I agree on the last point, although FF is V/LA I believe so I can cut him some slack on not being here XD

Yeah, I didn't realize he was on V/LA. Point remains @ Circus and G Life though.

It is crazy to me that what Auspher provided was enough for you to unvote him, and that you consider what he said to be anything close to a "solid answer." And that "I can see that as newtown" is enough of a reason for you to just let off the pressure completely.

Especially since this little nugget appears in his 313:

Especially especially since this other little nugget preceded that nuggest in his 306:

[...]

If Auspher isn't flailing scum, I don't even.

Vote: Auspher

^ not sure if serious.

Despite Auspher looking like scum right now, does anyone want to think that's he town? fess up if you do, because you're not alone.

I disagree with Auspher being scummy. Seems a lot like scum is going for the easy way to get a mislynch without suffering negative consequences. I mean, who would blame for the lynch of a player that has given up?

Right, Circus?
Right, Ryu?

I've been trying, and still getting pressured from everyone.

To be fair, you haven't actually been trying. You've been pressured for like 3 Days and you've already accepted that you're going to get lynched. If you're town what reason do you have to take this 100% pointless victim-complex stance? You're supposed to ****ing help us to win this game not to sit in the corner and cry like a baby about nobody liking the way you play. If you understand that much then changing your approach will be a lot better than offering your lynch. You're not a burden a priori but because you choose to become one. Your death will not change any of that - becoming useful will.

But yeah you - well - have to become useful for that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, EE actually raises a fair point about Acrostic "disappearing". Although it's too early to tell whether he actually disappeared it's definitely something I'd expect Acroscum to do, but not Acrotown. Still have Ryu as #1 suspect but recently dropped out of my scumlist with Acro / Circus taking his place. Joey is up there somewhat but not a clear #2 anymore.

More like:

Ryu
Circus / Acrostic / Joey [pretty interchangeable]

Not seeing mentosscum atm.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The interaction between RR/Auspher, as Circus pointed out, really seems off to me. Wouldn't be surprised if Aus was scum at this point, and if he did flip scum I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryuscum alongside him.

And you can't see how it'd make Ryu scum in either case? If Auspher were to flip town we'd have 99.9% confirmation that a lot of Ryu's input was pure BS / fake. Really, if you and Circus have issues with the interaction between RR and Auspher then you have no reason to assume Auspherscum but not Ryuscum because Ryuscum works regardless of what happens with Auspher and I really don't think Auspher is scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Too many null reads in this game for my liking. Can't get a good idea on Kevin, Chaco, Kataefi, Glyph, mentos, Soup and Rajam yet. Plus Frozen is inactive. Most of toDay has been centered around and talked about by the same people [EE, Mentos, recently Ryker, myself, ...] and I'm always concerned about these situations.

 

[Deleted member]

Like I said earlier, I'll be much better on day 2. I am trying, but I don't know how to defend myself and I don't do well under pressure at all.

That's why I'm going on the offensive against RR, who I am the most suspicious of now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wrong. He only now has just provided content. Have you not been reading the thread at all?

Nope, read the thread, even the joke posts he did gave me interactions and stances. You did at one point and 3 of them were nulls, aka not important.

Unvote Vote Red Ryu

Oh Snap!

RR, why should I believe that you're town?

3 more posts. Sorry.

Because I am not scum, also notice how I am not trying to play to your emotions to get you to lynch a confirmed town cop Ryker this time believing I am the real cop.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Mentos, remind me again what valid reason you had to not answer Ryker right away?

 

[Dooms]

Vote: Gheb

Yeah. I don't like Gheb.

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

Gord, will you explain what made you vote Auspher after the case? You just placed a vote and said you would explain it later. You haven't explained it yet and you've made several posts since then.

 

[Deleted member]

Because I am not scum, also notice how I am not trying to play to your emotions to get you to lynch a confirmed town cop Ryker this time believing I am the real cop.

I don't think I understand your wording here...are you trying to say that you're a town cop?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote: Gheb

Yeah. I don't like Gheb.

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

Gord, will you explain what made you vote Auspher after the case? You just placed a vote and said you would explain it later. You haven't explained it yet and you've made several posts since then.

Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.

V/LA today and tomorrow. I got called into work my manager's shift leaving in a few and being gone till 11 and I have a tourney tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

V/LA today and tomorrow. I got called into work my manager's shift leaving in a few and being gone till 11 and I have a tourney tomorrow.

Repost

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Don't fish for my role Auspher.

And no, burden of proof is on you. Why am I scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That also was implying what I did in higurashi as scum btw.