Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Dooms]

Don't fish for my role Auspher.

And no, burden of proof is on you. Why am I scum?

Bleck @ the bolded.

You worded your statement as if you were the cop, he asks if you really are, and you call it role fishing? Dislike.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'd like to wait until I'm way more confident in my read or until it's closer to deadline.

What

Won't you even support a wagon meanwhile? You can't be hiding your vote all this time; that's not how D1 works

Hey I really like this

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Me reading Ryker's string of posts:

Me reading THE END of Ryker's string of posts:

Didn't even see it coming.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I find myself disliking both sides if RR v Ausupher as it progresses, but id be lying if i said Id expect ecum RR and scum Ausupher to be this openly against eachother and interacting in thread... Contradicting thoughts are cool right?

Vote: Gheb

Yeah. I don't like Gheb.

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

Gord, will you explain what made you vote Auspher after the case? You just placed a vote and said you would explain it later. You haven't explained it yet and you've made several posts since then.

Well if it's not obvious from what i said to EE after the fact then idk what is.

 

[Dooms]

Will explain when it's not late as shiz.

This happene after what you said to EE.

The vote post was one post before this.

You never explained.

 

[Dooms]

Also, why did you wait until a few (no idea how many) posts after the case to vote?

 

[Dooms]

a few = 21 posts. 5 hours after.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Iirc i voted em at school, and made the case that night before, i wanted to see em post before i laid my vote.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

When EE called em noobtwon and he refuted my noobscum read on em. It was like 2 pages ago mang.

 

[Dooms]

I do see your side mang. But read my little case summary on ausupher and tell me its not totally credible. He just DOESNT seem like a noob town, cuz they at least try before throwing in the towel. Usually, it's more common for noob scum to do things like d*** around, or AtE, or yada yada NOT at least put effort into the game. His "lynch me idgaf" attitude seems like it could have been fed to him. I expect emotionally stricken town to replace out. And plus, like (you?) said, it was to MINIMAL pressure. Hes got like two or three votes on him and plenty other people seen as options for the play. I dont believe the product he's selling... Only played with Werekill when (s)he was scum so *shrug*.

If im tunneling, whoops. Just feels too much like Ausupherscum to me.

I missed this post.

Nevermin then.

 

[Dooms]

I'm not understanding my failed attempts at a wagon as the only reasoning for me being scum. And scum hunting? Do you really think I was starting the wagon for the hell of it? It was to probe at Glyph to see if I could get something scum worthy out of him, which I don't have much to go off of as of yet from him.

I forget who asked me this because I'm still mobile(Internet at my house is out...hopefully will be fixed soon), but as for Joey being a "diva" poster, he's really kinda neutral for a while and plays nice right before he will lash out with a scum read on someone and stick with it for a good while.

Though that's just how I experienced it in Higurashi mafia.

What about this post made you vote him after your case instead of during it?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I didnt like the post, and it didnt have anything to do with my case.

If you ask what i think youre gonna ask, im gonna call you annoying.

 

[Dooms]

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Are people going to ignore I am referencing Higurashi mafia, i hope people especially ones who played in that game, are not forgetting this.

And no, there is no way that is worded to imply I am the cop.

Though good pick since I'm the cop or some kind of investigate 50% of the time as town anyways.

 

[Dooms]

Are people going to ignore I am referencing Higurashi mafia, i hope people especially ones who played in that game, are not forgetting this.

And no, there is no way that is worded to imply I am the cop.

Though good pick since I'm the cop or some kind of investigate 50% of the time as town anyways.

Gonna respond to this first and ask why this matters at all.

 

[Dooms]

Nevermind. I was reading your cop statement completely wrong.

Now everything makes sense.

 

[mentosman8]

Mentos, remind me again what valid reason you had to not answer Ryker right away?

His play was being detrimental to town. No matter what you think of it, the way he was phrasing and doing everything was packed in WIFOM, and I was hoping that if I made it difficult for him to get anything, it might cause some play that didn't have that effect. Whether you think it's a valid reason or not doesn't really matter to me, so that's all I'm gonna say.

And you can't see how it'd make Ryu scum in either case? If Auspher were to flip town we'd have 99.9% confirmation that a lot of Ryu's input was pure BS / fake. Really, if you and Circus have issues with the interaction between RR and Auspher then you have no reason to assume Auspherscum but not Ryuscum because Ryuscum works regardless of what happens with Auspher and I really don't think Auspher is scum.

I do realize that, and should a Ryu lynch be something that could happen near the end of the day at this point I'm not against it. Either way I'd rather see Acrostic lynched today if he doesn't reappear and refute things well though. Speaking of which, I think I've given enough time to him, so I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Acrostic

 

[Kataefi]

hello hello

can someone online link me to gheb's case on ruy plz because i'm on a 1950s computer and it's just frustrating. sorry to bulk the thread in this way.

 

[Evil Eye]

Vote: Kataefi

 

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (3) Chaco, Gheb_01, Auspher
Soupamario: (1) Glyph
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Rajam: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (1) Acrostic
Acrostic: (1) Rajam
Auspher: (2) Circus, Gorf
Gorf: (1) Ryker
Gheb: (1) Dooms
Kataefi: (1) Evil Eye

Not voting: (3) frozenflame751, Mentosman8, Red Ryu

Prods for inactivity:
Acrostic - 1


Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[Kataefi]

*sigh* i do have comp issues. delays delays

Why are you pointing out this? Shouldn't you leave pressure follow its course instead of insta-saying "nah Dooms isn't scum"?

Auspher what's your take on this?

this is because 3 others (4 if counting ee's vote) commented on the exchange here/here/here. it was semi-topical to me. i didn't see dooms as scum from this (I still don't). curiously, if others commented on the exchange, should they have left the pressure alone? why not?, my dearest tropical sunset buahaaa!

unvote you
... for now...

Vote: Glyph
and acrostic

interchangable right now

Missed this before. I think it simply looks a bit scummy on himself, either because a scumbuddy is involved in the interaction (hence no stance taken despite his marvelous attempt to look like he has something to say about it), or because he simply is scum trying to point out a weird TvT interaction and let someone else take the reigns of what we're supposed to think about it.

Eye see this. can't determine the scum part yet. To me there was an urgency to forcefully end rvs. Makes me question whether this urgency came before his reads and as such forced those connections for him. This makes me question his genuinity around this early stage i.e. does he believe in himself?

I want to hear much more elaboration from him to get a better picture of his assertions.

Kat, what are your reads on Gheb and mentos?

regarding gheb: really logical and, well, that's it. he dived straight in with certainties on ruy/dooms and came out with a case. i have a few issues/questions. I can't argue against gheb's interpretations of the staging between Dooms/Ruy but i don't see this personally. I'm concerned with the fact Chaco pointed out Ryu being a policy lynch, and now all of a sudden there's momentum against him with a "case" from gheb (and iirc gheb agreed to Chaco on this). this makes me question whether ruy is in fact being used as a scapegoat. i hope i'm not the only one who noticed this. with gheb's case being based more so on his emotional interpretations to certain exchanges in rvs/transitional period it's something i thought he would have waited longer on to make until there is more concrete evidence.

need to look closer at his word choices.

regarding mentos: quite null actually. find him a bit airy >_> as in difficult to grasp on to anything meaningful he's saying outside of auspher being scum and I think acrostic for rvs shenanigans. Also this reply. struggling to find where he has elaborated on things like "gheb's connections/rajam's vote/joey's hyper-sensitive vote" outside of asking more questions and/or commenting loosely, e.g. saying gheb's case on ryu was "weaker". I want to know what's weak about it to it and why etc. Then there's he's question aimed @auspher to provide content, when Glyph has effectively come in and done little (nothing actually) only to be given golden boy treatment. Here's a russian roulette of posts prior to that reply --> odd to me he would claim others "horsed around" and generally pick at posts when his own more serious posts lacked the content he was demanding. is he waiting for others to respond on certain issues first before responding himself?

I'm still rereading mentos/ryker and ryker's break into the game. initial impressions tell me ryker was being a little suzy and mentos was attracted to this.

^@Mentos: what do you make of my analysis? also what are you thinking of Glyph and... Chaco? Outside of Acrostic/Auspher who would you look into? considering you "saved ryker" (or something you mentioned along those lines), what do you think of his content now?

@Eye: comp issues yes. curiously, why did you define mentos as being "slippery" btw? That's a particular word choice. Do you agree with my current analysis? why/why not? etc.

auspher is coming acoss defeatist and for what reasonss? =/ reminding me of ranmaru in re4. slight weak little innocent duckling feel. is anyone else getting these types of impressions who was in that game? Ryu? Chaco? Dooms? i don't know what to make of his interactions just yet but i want him to elaborate on his thoughts on glyph.

quite a large chunk of players i want to look into and will do so tomorrow.

what is this higurashi mafia reference plz?? *will have a gander*

want to hear from soup to see if his thoughts match up with mine. come come!

this was a large post

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@mod my votes on Aausupher

 

[Tandora]

@mod my votes on Aausupher

Vote count has been corrected.

 

[mentosman8]

Kata, I'll get to your questions tomorrow, between it being 3 am and the heat in my house I'm wayyyy too drowsy to make a full and coherent post right now.

I will, however, respond to one of your comments on me.

Here's a russian roulette of posts prior to that reply --> odd to me he would claim others "horsed around" and generally pick at posts when his own more serious posts lacked the content he was demanding. is he waiting for others to respond on certain issues first before responding himself?

The first post you seem to call the content of into question was a call out on Acrostic, which I was the first to do. I felt the post he made seemed off and called him out on it, which brought about his response, and then my 137 that you link, which was a follow up after his response. Both of these had clear content, calling out a play that didn't seem to make sense, and following up on the response given. After this interaction with Acrostic, he disappeared and is, in my opinion, one of the strongest scum leads in the game currently.

The second and third were calling out Soup for a worthless fluff post, and following up his response saying I didn't like what he had done. Once again, calling out play I saw as bad and following up on the response =/= lack of content.

127's main point was to clarify a horrendously worded phrase so I, as well as the rest of the town, could understand what Soup was actually trying to say, as well as responding to the fact that he said he had a town read on EE at that point, making sure he knew that EE is one of the hardest to read scum on Dgames and it's not wise to make a call that early.

130 responding to Soup after he clarified, and questioned me for being an advice dog, to which I pointed out that wasn't remotely what I had done.

Admittedly the last one(146) wasn't much content, it was moreso in the time since my last post EE had made two decent posts, and the other 6 were worthless. There really weren't enough posts between my last post and that one for me to make a big post, and was mostly me trying to prod people to quit messing around when there was serious discussion going on.

I'll respond to other stuffs tomorrow like I said, but looking at those posts I am really not sure how you found them all to be completely lacking in content, and since they were my own actions it was easy to explain what the purpose of them all was and make this not be a worthless post.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote: Gheb

Yeah. I don't like Gheb.

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

tl;dr "Gheb doesn't agree with an Auspher lynch therefore he is inconvenient for Joey to have around because he's proven himself to be more than just a braindead tool and therefore Joey doesn't like him which has to mean Gheb is scum."

@Bolded

Yeah, the guy who makes a case on somebody usually isn't the guy who has something to hide. Gorf made a case on Auspher that's clear and concise - I don't agree with it but at least he's showing the effort to do something. Scum follows these cases because it's convenient. They tend to pass off responsibility to the guy who made the case even though they're all equally responsible.

I do realize that, and should a Ryu lynch be something that could happen near the end of the day at this point I'm not against it. Either way I'd rather see Acrostic lynched today if he doesn't reappear and refute things well though. Speaking of which, I think I've given enough time to him, so I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Acrostic

OK, I can live with that.

Unvote Vote Acrostic

If Ryu is scum he will continue to post scummy stuff. But Acro needs to get back in here and talk.

 

[Evil Eye]

****ing hate having 3x as many scumvibe interactions as could possibly be present in the game design

 

[Evil Eye]

ohi gheb I'll read that post in a seckz

Unvote

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kata, there's actually rather little momentum going on against Ryu atm. Chaco said that he doesn't care about Ryu all that much and for mentos he seems to be more of a compromise option. Auspher is the only one who voted him and I don't think he actually has a valid reason to do so.

You also said my case was "logical" but then you say it's based on "emotional interpretation". Which one is it?

 

[Evil Eye]

Gheb what is your read on Joey, both in general and in lieu of that interaction you've now cited and posted snarky comments about.

And, actually, Acrostic needs to get back here and talk about stuff or DIE

Vote: Acrostic

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't think Joey is scum. He'd prod-dodge his way through the Days and avoid being noticed all game if he was. He's trying to add something and pursues his scum-reads but his inability to use logic and his judgment being clouded by what seem to be emotional reasoning [he thinks I'm scum because he doesn't like the fact that his pushes get no support from me. Seriously?] get in his way. If he was mafia he knew his scummates and that'd definitely show in the way he's playing. As of now, I have rather little reason to believe that he's scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And regarding your longer response from earlier, I still didn't directly reply to it but I honestly don't have too much to say about it. I guess I exaggerated somewhat in my accusation but I also think I got way more flak from it than I should've. Might not have been scummy but I don't think that your insinuation on me going for "easy" targets was justified.

About Ryu ... well, in that case we can only agree to disagree. Apparently we have a different idea on his meta and how to apply it. And if toDay continues the way it does now there will most likely be a better lynch as well.

 

[Kataefi]

EE next time I request a link to a post, could you link me? There are 3 comps I use. 1 at work 1 upstairs 1 downstairs. You're a senator I'd imagine you can check the ISPs. The downstairs one has windows 98... which speaks for itself really. Can you answer my q?
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@mentos: lacking in content in relation to the reply you gave. I asked you for a list of noticeable events so naturally these are events i believe you would have paid attention to, otherwise why list them? came across like you were paying attention yet didn't seem to comment on them prior, and used a lack of content to get at others. it's meaningful to me because i saw a holding back there, possibly as if you could be perceptive on a whole lot more than you're letting on.
_

hai hai ghebby

Ruy has the longest wagon, so this is the wagon with the most momentum to me atm. I believe Chaco mentioned Ruy being a policy lynch. I don't think I've missed anything *checks*

You also said my case was "logical" but then you say it's based on "emotional interpretation". Which one is it?

Well I said you were logical. This is why parts of the case are odd. Look:

emotional interpretations to certain exchanges in rvs/transitional period it's something i thought he would have waited longer on to make until there is more concrete evidence.

For example: if you thought dooms and ryu were connected, I think it would have been a wiser solution to observe their interactions some more to build up. After all, if they're connected as scum, they're bound to interacting with each other unnaturally. It's difficult for me to agree with someone's emotional interpretations of one exchange when I don't see it. The more I see unusual interactions shown to me, the more I'm inclined to agree. I thought the point looked premature and I thought you would have been logical enough to make your case more substantial as a result.

Now his questions. I can see this. I think the only issue i have is in page 4 itself - it was a transitional period between rvs/srsface, his questions didn't look all serious to me =/

What do you currently make of glyph/chaco/ee? Has your case developed considering Dooms is no longer scummy to you?

 

[Dooms]

tl;dr "Gheb doesn't agree with an Auspher lynch therefore he is inconvenient for Joey to have around because he's proven himself to be more than just a braindead tool and therefore Joey doesn't like him which has to mean Gheb is scum."

@Bolded

Yeah, the guy who makes a case on somebody usually isn't the guy who has something to hide. Gorf made a case on Auspher that's clear and concise - I don't agree with it but at least he's showing the effort to do something. Scum follows these cases because it's convenient. They tend to pass off responsibility to the guy who made the case even though they're all equally responsible.

Wow, you poorly misrepresent things a lot, since you didn't mention Circus/Ryu at all, which is what I was mainly talking about.

You also didn't note that Ryu didn't want Auspher dead. Ryu wanted to put pressure onto Auspher, which worked.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, it obviously worked

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like gheb despite him wanting me dead.

I'd be happy to join the acro wagon, but I wanna see more from Auspher, can't hide from me Austin. I'm gonna get ya if ya don't help us out. Tell me why I am scum, them tell me what ya think of The Acro wagon.

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Mentos I don't like your answer to me about not answering. That isn't a good reason to hide an answer from Ryker. Yes he can be frustrating to work with. But that is Ryker true and true, and a true troll .

You could have still left that answer out there instead of being as stubborn as he was about it.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

They call me the golden boy

One day I'll read maybe

 

[mentosman8]

Mentos I don't like your answer to me about not answering. That isn't a good reason to hide an answer from Ryker. Yes he can be frustrating to work with. But that is Ryker true and true, and a true troll .

Like I said, I really don't care if you think it's a legitimate reason or not. Not to mention, if you read the answers I DID give after he started posting, there really wasn't a lot to be said in them anyway, which I knew from the moment I refused to answer them, so a big MEH to you sir : D

I'mma do a re-read in a bit(not really all that necessary, but it'll be nice to grab a refresher while the game is still small XD) at which point I will respond to the rest of what Kat asked me as well as possibly have some more stuff to add.

 

[Deleted member]

I will be away until Monday due to guests arriving now and a tourney tomorrow. I'll respond to posts when I get back.

 

[Evil Eye]

What a shame you couldn't have posted earlier today or yesterday or the day before

oh wait

 

[Chaco]

Catching up shortly, finally off of work and home. Also, Kat, do note my first posts were jokes that even RR accepted as jokes. Haha. I just never moved my vote yet due to being busy, it'll come with my next post I'm sure, at least to an invite if I'm not fully settled on my reads yet.