Little Mac, W.V.B.A. Champion confirmed for SSB4

[UndiaperedBaby]

It was just something I realized. Whenever I watch professional wrestling, the ring's shape may be different (mostly square), but the amount of ropes is almost always three. Boxing rings are mostly consistent, a square ring with four ropes.

Thanks for noticing!^^ I hope Little Mac makes the roster, and I honestly don't know how he couldn't. I just wonder why Sakurai might have released that stage before Little Mac? Maybe for the exact result we're giving him with this thread. lol

 

[Spinosaurus]

It was just something I realized. Whenever I watch professional wrestling, the ring's shape may be different (mostly square), but the amount of ropes is almost always three. Boxing rings are mostly consistent, a square ring with four ropes.

It's the same reason why it can't be Dedede's ring either (aside from the other obvious things.)

It's a wrestling ring. Just the other day I saw a picture of the stage and it had three ropes. lol

 

[Vintage Creep]

John Cena confirmed

 

[ChozoBoy]

It's the same reason why it can't be Dedede's ring either (aside from the other obvious things.)

It's a wrestling ring. Just the other day I saw a picture of the stage and it had three ropes. lol

More likely, Sakurai is multitasking. If it is a stage for Mac, Sakurai certainly knows that he can recontextualize it as his old stomping grounds as well.

Think of it as a workaround for him to sneak in some more Kirby. That's what he does with several character's specials just to make Beam Kirby, Fire Kirby, etc.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So what you're saying is, the reason that he won't put the Punch Out logos in the ring is just so it can work for both Little Mac and Kirby?

Hasn't he given Kirby enough representation already? -.- I admit I prefer the stage having Smash Bros. everywhere because it wouldn't make too much sense having it representing "Major Circuit" or "World Circuit", because then we'd need the referee as well.

Smash Bros. Circuit sounds just about right. A boxing ring where there are no rules, and no referees either. (Only ex-referees, lol).

I just hope we get to see some Punch Out boxer cameos out there, such as Aran Ryan trying to cause trouble in the ring, but is being held back by security, or suddenly there's a whole light show in the background because Super Macho Man is posing. Or maybe Soda Popinski pops up in the audience squeezing bottles of soda at the audience, etc.

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On a lighter note, I found this while scurving the net. :D

Gotta love dat reference to Bear Hugger/Mad Clown when punchin Wario in the gut. XD
And the referee one is priceless.

The specials he put:
B: Star Punch
B Up: Frog Upper? (Hajime no Ippo move)
Btilt: Comeback Punch
B Down: Counterpunch
Final Smash: TKO.

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

Why the SSB logo in the middle of the ring instead of the WVBA? Perhaps because the fights being fought in the ring aren't WVBA contests, they're SSB contests. You wouldn't expect to see the logo for Wimbledon at US Open would you?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why the SSB logo in the middle of the ring instead of the WVBA? Perhaps because the fights being fought in the ring aren't WVBA contests, they're SSB contests. You wouldn't expect to see the logo for Wimbledon at US Open would you?

Yeah that's a pretty "duh" thing people don't see.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think the ring has different skins so it can be Dedede's, Little Macs and generic.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think it relates to Kirby at all.

 

[Angelglory]

Throwing in my support for Little Mac

Spoiler

 

[8-peacock-8]

Honestly, that stage relates more to Punch Out.

1. The audience is human.

2. The stage has more stuff that make it similar to a Punch Out ring.

3. Looked up a picture of Dedede's ring and i can easily say that it is a wrestling ring. (it only has three ropes)

 

[SpaceJell0]

I really hope it is a Punch-Out!! Stage and I think I have an idea for Mac's B-Specials too: Neutral B: Star Punch (Self-Explanatory and earned by taunting) Side B: Bicycle Chase ( Doc is summoned and he rides a Bike which acts like a Mach Rider assist trophy from Brawl ) Up B: Leaping Uppercut (Mac does his Star Punch animation from the original Punch-Out!! without actually being a Star Punch and leaps through the air like his assist trophy did ) Down B: Countdown ( Mac makes a bubble appear that counts down from 10 to 1 like in the original Punch-Out!! and as it goes down the attack power goes up by 1% and when it reaches a KO it becomes a powerful smash attack!)
Btw I'm new here :3 Hi guys!

 

[IsmaR]

Honestly, that stage relates more to Punch Out.

It relates more to a generic sports ring. People are being too hopeful, all of the reasons you listed are in pretty much every single boxing/wrestling ring in every (Nintendo) game ever. Seriously, I can argue that it's similar to the generic Ring in my Join Avenue in Pokemon White 2, and isn't the WVBA/World Circuit one because it doesn't have the logo. Either way it's just a Smash equivalent of a ring.

I'm actually not saying this is against Mac's favor. If he is in, we can logically assume it'll be his home stage. But they'll probably use it for a plethora of other reasons (Kirby-themed event matches come to mind). I can even see it being used for things like athletic minigames (akin to Home-Run-Contest).

 

[EddyBearr]

Does anyone honestly doubt Little Mac at this point? Lol.

 

[8-peacock-8]

It relates more to a generic sports ring. People are being too hopeful, all of the reasons you listed are in pretty much every single boxing/wrestling ring in every (Nintendo) game ever. Seriously, I can argue that it's similar to the generic Ring in my Join Avenue in Pokemon White 2, and isn't the WVBA/World Circuit one because it doesn't have the logo. Either way it's just a Smash equivalent of a ring.

I'm actually not saying this is against Mac's favor. If he is in, we can logically assume it'll be his home stage. But they'll probably use it for a plethora of other reasons (Kirby-themed event matches come to mind). I can even see it being used for things like athletic minigames (akin to Home-Run-Contest).

I'm only comparing it to Dedede's ring. I wasn't making an argument for Mac. Derp

I was only stating the differences in the rings and how the ring itself is closer to one in Punch Out then the Kirby ring.

 

[IsmaR]

I'm only comparing it to Dedede's ring. I wasn't making an argument for Mac. Derp

It's the Little Mac Discussion thread, sue me for thinking it pertained me to the character and his specific stage.

And that's Ms. Derp to you.

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I was only stating the differences in the rings and how the ring itself is closer to one in Punch Out then the Kirby ring.

And I was pointing out that it isn't specifically either one, even if it resembles the former. If it were the Punch Out one, it'd have the WVBA logo and they probably would've held off revealing it without revealing him as well. It's just been irking me that everyone has been grasping at the straws lately with the whole "boxing ring = Mac confirmed" thing.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I must confess that Little Mac not being in this game could turn out to be a dealbreaker for me.

I simply cannot picture this game, with a boxing ring, without Little Mac.
Honestly, what purpose would it serve? A flat platform? There's final destination. A flat platform where you won't fall into an abyss? We got Bridge of Elding (pre-explosion), or they could just use the old SSE stadium without abysses... Why a BOXING ring? Not a Dojo, not a wrestling ring, not even the Pokemon Stadium knockoff of SSE's stadium.
Unless it's sort of a new Sakurai-trend where he'll try to better represent multiple characters throughout a single stage, therefore (smash logo, and) characters with a similar arena can be represented without having to think up too many.

And secondly... there's also the fact that, so far, it's a Wii U stage. Punch Out was released on the Wii, not the 3/DS, therefore it makes sense to have it represented on the Wii U.


I don't think I'm making anything up when I say he's a popular Nintendo icon (yet severely unrepresented). Heck, he's always in the first line of Virtual Console releases! Along with Super Mario Bros and Legend of Zelda! There's honestly, not a better time for his inclusion.
And I'm sure the lack of WVBA logo means something. We'll just have to wait to know what.

 

[Deleted member]

Implying that a Smash-centric circuit absolutely requires the WVBA logo.

There's been the
Minor Circuit
Major Circuit
World Circuit
Special Circuit (original PO only)
Another World Circuit (SPO only)

so if anything, I'm willing to bet this is the "Smash Circuit".

 

[IsmaR]

Smash Circuit should be the name of an event match with Mac fighting all newcomers.

 

[papagenos]

I really hope it is a Punch-Out!! Stage and I think I have an idea for Mac's B-Specials too: Neutral B: Star Punch (Self-Explanatory and earned by taunting) Side B: Bicycle Chase ( Doc is summoned and he rides a Bike which acts like a Mach Rider assist trophy from Brawl ) Up B: Leaping Uppercut (Mac does his Star Punch animation from the original Punch-Out!! without actually being a Star Punch and leaps through the air like his assist trophy did ) Down B: Countdown ( Mac makes a bubble appear that counts down from 10 to 1 like in the original Punch-Out!! and as it goes down the attack power goes up by 1% and when it reaches a KO it becomes a powerful smash attack!)
Btw I'm new here :3 Hi guys!

Hi! I really Dig your count down idea, implemented how you describe or not the "count down" could still be incorporated in some way.

 

[papagenos]

I really hope it is a Punch-Out!! Stage and I think I have an idea for Mac's B-Specials too: Neutral B: Star Punch (Self-Explanatory and earned by taunting) Side B: Bicycle Chase ( Doc is summoned and he rides a Bike which acts like a Mach Rider assist trophy from Brawl ) Up B: Leaping Uppercut (Mac does his Star Punch animation from the original Punch-Out!! without actually being a Star Punch and leaps through the air like his assist trophy did ) Down B: Countdown ( Mac makes a bubble appear that counts down from 10 to 1 like in the original Punch-Out!! and as it goes down the attack power goes up by 1% and when it reaches a KO it becomes a powerful smash attack!)
Btw I'm new here :3 Hi guys!

Hi! I really Dig your count down idea, implemented how you describe or not the "count down" could still be incorporated in some way.

 

[Z1GMA]

What do you think we can expect from Mac?
I expect him to have bad range, but beeing really good at close range.
And that he has a lot of good KO moves.

 

[papagenos]

What do you think we can expect from Mac?
I expect him to have bad range, but beeing really good at close range.
And that he has a lot of good KO moves.

small and fairly fast in general but also powerful with lots of KO potential from some of his moves, medium to heavy weight, but horrible recovery.

I like the idea of him countering opponents moves and punishing mistakes and also gaining % back in some way, that could be his unique thing, and with the bad recovery his whole play style would be countering and then KOing opponents and gaining back some stamina but if you don't counter good you get hit a lot and have a rough time recovering back. Something along those lines fits his style best imo.

 

[shinhed-echi]

A crazy idea to recover HP.

Little Mac clenches opponent, then if the player presses DOWN, Mac will perform a gut blow, sending the opponent to the ground. While the opponent is in the animation of falling down to the ground (think similar to SSFIV's guard break animation) Little Mac is psyching up and recovering a bit (3% perhaps).

The attack may not be powerful, but it would recover Little Mac's %.
It wouldn't be cheap for places like All-Star Mode since there's nobody to grab.
It wouldn't be cheap in multiplayer matches, since you'd need to approach an opponent to recover.

An alternate version to this would be that while clenching, by pressing (A) Little Mac recovers % instead of dealing damage. But that sounds like something Aran Ryan from SPO or Piston Hurricane from the arcade would do.

And I'm not sure Namco would want to make a boxer's playstyle revolve around GRABBING...
... looks like there's no way of implementing this technique without making it look cheap for either the player or the character.

 

[Starcutter]

if the boxing stage doesn't have disco kid's theme, that would suck. either that or have that one donkey kong track that's really similar.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I think the first moveset on the OP really has it down. Little Mac is all about counter-punching, therefore a counter-centric moveset that builds off the physical blows he takes just seems absolutely perfect. A modest down-special recovery is also something I've wanted to see for a while now. I never realized how absolutely unique Little Mac could be until this thread.

I pledge my full support.

 

[UndiaperedBaby]

What do you think we can expect from Mac?
I expect him to have bad range, but beeing really good at close range.
And that he has a lot of good KO moves.

The way I imagine him, he will probably have Meta Knight's speed with Mario's range and will be an easy K.O. (light character, since that's exactly what he is in Punch-Out!!), but will fall real slow. I agree with the earlier statement that his recovery special will need to be bad - maybe like Marth's with more power but less height-gain and forward range.

 

[josh bones]

The way I imagine him, he will probably have Meta Knight's speed with Mario's range and will be an easy K.O. (light character, since that's exactly what he is in Punch-Out!!), but will fall real slow. I agree with the earlier statement that his recovery special will need to be bad - maybe like Marth's with more power but less height-gain and forward range.

I thought It'd be more like Luigi's. Good at killing if you time it right, but if you don't you'll probably get killed

 

[Starcutter]

do you think it's possible for Little Mac, the american boxer to be announced tomorrow? on the forth of july?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Anything's possible with Sakurai.

It'd be helluva lot cooler though if he is announced tomorrow.

 

[LaniusShrike]

do you think it's possible for Little Mac, the american boxer to be announced tomorrow? on the forth of july?

That'd be cool!

(but no, I doubt it)

 

[shinhed-echi]

do you think it's possible for Little Mac, the american boxer to be announced tomorrow? on the forth of july?

God I wish.

But seeing how Sakurai has no intention of releasing information too soon, it seems pretty unlikely. He'll have us starving for new info for a good while until we're ready to burst.

If anything, I can predict some tangible news appearing September 19-22 when the Tokyo Game Show is up. Until then.. hoo boy we'll have it rough.

 

[papagenos]

do you think it's possible for Little Mac, the american boxer to be announced tomorrow? on the forth of july?

Doubt it, but I really want him to be announced asap. Finding out he was an assist trophy was the saddest day of the brawl speculation times for me, he's been my most wanted nintendo character and I really thought he was going to be in last time. This time I'm basically beyond certain but I need him announced so I can stop worrying.

 

[grizby2]

if the boxing stage doesn't have disco kid's theme, that would suck. either that or have that one donkey kong track that's really similar.

I think having even just the main punch out theme would be a great tribute to Super punch out.

 

[UndiaperedBaby]

I thought It'd be more like Luigi's. Good at killing if you time it right, but if you don't you'll probably get killed

do you think it's possible for Little Mac, the american boxer to be announced tomorrow? on the forth of july?

It could be like Luigi's if they sped it up a lot. Little Mac would play well as a fast character, but Sakurai may have a different vision.

I could see Sakurai doing that if E3 had been earlier in the year, and it had been longer since info had been released. Under the current circumstances...maybe.

 

[cephalopod17]

Little Mac has to appear. I support this thread.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Little Mac has to appear. I support this thread.

Thanks! And welcome to the support thread and support club.

We're pushing for a 100 supporters (are we?). We're almost there!

 

[Spinosaurus]

If that rumor is to believed, I think it's safe to say Lil Mac is gonna be in the next batch of reveals.

The question is, when? I'm gonna say the next Direct is a good bet, and seeing as there's a direct pretty much every month I don't see anything wrong to expect him soon...unless the recent direct about Chibi Robo counts, then August!

 

[cephalopod17]

I am thinking more and more he will be it. The 2009 Punch-Out was successful and not to mention the boxing ring stage has a lot of similarities to the rings in punch-out. He is a Nintendo icon (Not as much as Mario or Link) and if that pre-e3 rumor is true...then I think Little Mac is in.

Honestly I would be surprised if he is not in it.

 

[cephalopod17]

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