Rizen
Smash Legend
I like the post patch Dtilt spike better but too bad they also had to nerf the power.
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I though Sakurai was the balancing team?
But before it could spike about 30%!!! (I think) I mean, don't tell me that isn't a bit of a nerf? Please, you have characters like Peach's Dtilt which is a spike in the whole hitbox of the move (I think) and can spike very early too. Now I think that is a little unfair.
Maybe if they made it more like Young Link's, I wouldn't mind the power nerf
Rizen
Smash Legend
Just curious, how would rate Link's MUs? @ anyone.
Elessar
Nouyons TO
You're finally starting to see things as we do. Yes, give in to your bitterness.
We have a general MU thread Rizen, why talk about anything MU related in social, where the info will be buried by spam?
Rizen
Smash Legend
Good point. We should have a chart of the general consensus for each MU made in there. That way it's easier to see Link's spread that going to each individual MU thread. Looks like this would be the place:
http://smashboards.com/threads/mu-link-matchup-discussion.374025/
CF's range is BS:
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It's called 'balance' Rizen. See, in general we want to give the fast and mobile characters less range on their moves. Look you wouldn't understand because you're not Sakurai.CF's range is BS:
Don't worry about it, we can't all be Sakurai.
Rizen
Smash Legend
Elessar
Nouyons TO
Sakurai is special all right...Sakurai does have a "special" way of thinking.
A_Phoenix_Down
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I don't even think his elbow physically touches Ike... Seems legit.Good point. We should have a chart of the general consensus for each MU made in there. That way it's easier to see Link's spread that going to each individual MU thread. Looks like this would be the place:
http://smashboards.com/threads/mu-link-matchup-discussion.374025/
CF's range is BS:
Zelkam
Resident Wizard
Snake's Ftilt anyone?
ShinnyMetal
FRABJOUS
Snake's up tilt!!
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
Yep, Sakurai needs to either go away, or hire more team members that know how to balance a game and leave things more to them. He just doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Though it's not like this wasn't already said a million times lol.
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Sakurai is either stupid or malicious, news to no one.
Serac
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Not only that, he pushes you far away enough with his Fsmash so that you can't shield grab him with the clawshot...CF's range is BS:
Huggles828
Aimin' to Misbehave
On this page: discussion about how, after 7 years, dtilt is still worthless, and discussion about how Captain Falcon's elbow moves so fast it creates a vacuum that sucks him in closer to his opponent for extra range.
BaPTraPLaP
Smash Apprentice
Link has been known to improve after seven years in other games. Yes, Falcon can outreach a two handed swordsman with huge arms like Ike with his forward smash; a range in which Ike himself can not reach Falcon with his, makes sense. You may also note the Falcon didn't even angle his smash to reach.
Edit: Oh and I almost forgot Falcon is a car racer! Ike is a swordsman!
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Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
You can if you perfect shield it.
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That makes having a long grab even more pointless.
Rizen
Smash Legend
Link's grab isn't even that long. Several normal grabs like Bowser's out-range it 
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
There's no way that's possible lol.
Elessar
Nouyons TO
But have you seen the length of Bowser's arms? That dude is almost an orangutan.Link's grab isn't even that long. Several normal grabs like Bowser's out-range it
Rizen
Smash Legend
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
Never said tether was useful.
Don't worry. I have a lot of bitterness towards Sakurai for some of the decisions he made to a certain tactician
Uh, spotdodge?
Oh my Naga, that's ridiculous.It was pivot grab but still
You had to test it against Robin, didn't you?
FierceGaiety
Smash Cadet
Sakurai is literally killing himself to make Smash stuff for us to enjoy. I say take it easy on the poor guy.
Zelkam
Resident Wizard
It's not our fault he develops his games in the most inefficient way possible
FierceGaiety
Smash Cadet
Well I'm certainly not gonna develop the next Smash game!
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
The game does what it's supposed to. He makes it, we buy it, we play it.
No fighting game doesn't have its fair share of flaws. Smash wins best fighting game every time it's released and lots of people thoroughly enjoy the game. It always sells a ridiculous amount of copies as well.
I'd say he does development pretty efficiently.
No fighting game doesn't have its fair share of flaws. Smash wins best fighting game every time it's released and lots of people thoroughly enjoy the game. It always sells a ridiculous amount of copies as well.
I'd say he does development pretty efficiently.
ama99
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I agree, Sakurai sets out to make Super Smash Bros. fun over anything I we get exactly that every single time. The man sincerely deserves a break(especially to let his arm get better). I feel like everyone on the internet gives him too much **** for small things like cutting a character they wanted(that was probably a dumb suggestion anyways). Or if their favorite character gets nerfed. Sakurai is one of the best game developers in the world and Smash Wii U probably wouldn't be as good if anyone else was in charge of development.
A_Phoenix_Down
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He just developed Link inefficiently is all.
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
From a competitive standpoint, sure.
Capturing the essence of the character? I think he did a damn good job.
Elessar
Nouyons TO
Sadly, Sakurai is a public figures, and public figures get hate no matter what they do. Sakurai, is a mediocre game developer, not a great one. He got lucky with smash and has consistently tried to undermine and sabotage his own game. He doesn't listen to fans and has expressed his disdain for us, competitive players.
The fact that he makes a successful game doesn't mean he's a good developer necessarily. Point in case, EA.
The fact that he makes a successful game doesn't mean he's a good developer necessarily. Point in case, EA.
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I should have explained myself, I believe that one situation someone would like to have a long grab is when you know an attack is coming you block and are pushed away but still are able to grab the target, don't get me wrong though, I believe that the options Lawlz. and you gave are better however those can be done by characters with short grabs which makes the clawshot kinda pointless and me salty.
You are right. We Smash complain so much when Sakurai makes a decision that we don't like and Sakurai not only has to deal with that but also risking his life just to make this game. And like what Izaw said
If you are looking at Link from a competitive standpoint, yes, he could do with some buffs. But even then, I still Link is one of the most bad*** characters in Smash Bros to date.
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
I'm sorry, but you don't make four successful fighting games based on luck.
The balance patches came from listening to the fans. And what happened? Well, the answer is pretty obvious.
He designed this to be fun, first and foremost, competition plays second fiddle to his ideal. He achieved this. But at the same time, the competitive community is growing.
Certainly not mediocre
Elessar
Nouyons TO
Lol, Lawz is Izaw. The conspiracy is revealed.
Also, Sakurai isn't killing himself. You make it sound like if he's a martyr. He suffers from stress, something everyone does to some extent(specially in Japan). He just can't deal with it and can't deal with the hate that comes from being a public figure. At least I feel no more sympathy for him than I'd feel for anyone else.
A_Phoenix_Down
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Oh I certainly agree with you, Izaw...
I remember picking up Link in Smash 64 and realizing how incredibly perfect he seemed to be. God, those were the days...
I remember picking up Link in Smash 64 and realizing how incredibly perfect he seemed to be. God, those were the days...
ama99
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A successful game? How about all the Super Smash Bros. Games, Kirby games, and Kid Icarus Uprising? Is that luck? Consistently pumping great games one after the other?
He doesn't listen to fans? Where did those balance patches come from than? The ones he said he wouldn't do anymore but did anyways due to popular demand?
Don't even compare Sakurai to that scumbag company. You know how much better he is than that.
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Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
I'm sorry, does Link sprint in Zelda games allowing him to traverse any sort of distance with formidable speed? Is there ever a jump button that allows the oh-so-mobile protagonist to gracefully weave through the air? No.
But Link certainly has to find and use projectiles to counter his foes and solve treacherous puzzles.
Remember that really slow dash attack animation Link has in this game? That's directly mirroring his fantastically slow jump slash from...gee...I don't know...every 3D Zelda game to date.
Even his sword slicing animations in each game aren't fast.
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You guys got it all wrong... He clearly listens to the fans, just not the Link fans lol
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Lawz.
There's obviously things Link can do in Smash that he's never done in LoZ. The addition of the new dash attack had me very worried at first... but then I realized, it's pretty much one of Link's signature moves in every 3D Zelda to date.
There's always that line between balance and reality, especially when porting different characters into a fighting game. But I think Sakurai really did a great job staying in between that line.
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Lawz.
There's obviously things Link can do in Smash that he's never done in LoZ. The addition of the new dash attack had me very worried at first... but then I realized, it's pretty much one of Link's signature moves in every 3D Zelda to date.
There's always that line between balance and reality, especially when porting different characters into a fighting game. But I think Sakurai really did a great job staying in between that line.
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