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[The Merc]

What makes you think that? I compared how far away they could be when they hit the ground and still hit the pillar on Luigi's mansion. Link's explosions seem smaller.

Oh, really? I guess my memory might be a bit off. I think I was comparing the visual blast size rather than the hitbox itself.

 

[Rizen]

I never thought I'd say this but, I miss Brawl Link. Except for SSB4 Link's power, weight, tether, upB, Dash Attack, rolls and bomb explosions not hurting Link if they hit the opponent, Brawl Link preformed better. At least Brawl Link's grab outranged normal grabs and punished moves. Bomb ATs were very useful, especially Z drop and invincibomb. Light characters fall out of SSB4 Link's double Fsmash! Landing canceling was nice. DAC had it's uses and worked better than SSB4's DA. Dair was a really wicked kill move in Brawl that wasn't worth the trade off for SSB4.
/sigh

 

[Seleir]

guys i want main link but i need some good tips by good players.
is there any skype group/?

 

[Vonzar the Soulrender]

guys i want main link but i need some good tips by good players.
is there any skype group/?

Well you came to the right place. But if you want to talk to this group of degenerates and lowlives in real time, the place to go is here http://xat.com/LinkSmashers

 

[link7]

Well you came to the right place. But if you want to talk to this group of degenerates and lowlives in real time, the place to go is here http://xat.com/LinkSmashers

When I read this, tears of joy started to run down my face.

 

[Lawz.]

This is just the greatest thing I've ever seen.

 

[KenMeister]

I never thought I'd say this but, I miss Brawl Link. Except for SSB4 Link's power, weight, tether, upB, Dash Attack, rolls and bomb explosions not hurting Link if they hit the opponent, Brawl Link preformed better. At least Brawl Link's grab outranged normal grabs and punished moves. Bomb ATs were very useful, especially Z drop and invincibomb. Light characters fall out of SSB4 Link's double Fsmash! Landing canceling was nice. DAC had it's uses and worked better than SSB4's DA. Dair was a really wicked kill move in Brawl that wasn't worth the trade off for SSB4.
/sigh

But wasn't brawl link's fsmash pretty bad too, if not worse?

 

[Huggles828]

I never thought I'd say this but, I miss Brawl Link. Except for SSB4 Link's power, weight, tether, upB, Dash Attack, rolls and bomb explosions not hurting Link if they hit the opponent, Brawl Link preformed better. At least Brawl Link's grab outranged normal grabs and punished moves. Bomb ATs were very useful, especially Z drop and invincibomb. Light characters fall out of SSB4 Link's double Fsmash! Landing canceling was nice. DAC had it's uses and worked better than SSB4's DA. Dair was a really wicked kill move in Brawl that wasn't worth the trade off for SSB4.
/sigh

True, we lost a lot that we had in brawl, but "probably low tier" is still a far cry better than "second worst character in the whole game."

the thing that kills me most is the complete loss of our cqc game in this last patch; it wasn't great beforehand but at least we had options. to have something in this game then have it ripped away is what hurts more to me than comparing link to previous iterations (though i am still envious of melee semi spike and boomerang)

 

[Rizen]

Yeah SSB4 Link is better but he's so much more simple than Brawl Link. I miss how Brawl Link played; he had all these complex ATs.

 

[Elessar]

Yeah SSB4 Link is better but he's so much more simple than Brawl Link. I miss how Brawl Link played; he had all these complex ATs.

Most of the useless though. What are a 100 useless Ats good for? I'd rather have just a couple of really useful ones.

 

[Rizen]

Most of the useless though. What are a 100 useless Ats good for? I'd rather have just a couple of really useful ones.

That's true but Link lost some useful ATs too. There were several times when bomb Z drops or invincibombs would have been very useful in SSB4.

 

[sasook]

I miss spotdodge sliding.

 

[Rizen]

Link had nice sliding in Brawl. Spotdodge sliding was as useful as shield dashing, for what that's worth

 

[link7]

Just got back from Age of Ultron. I liked it.

 

[FSK]

But wasn't brawl link's fsmash pretty bad too, if not worse?

It was ok, mid-tier'ish, but I'm convinced our fsmash now is one of the worst in the game. Nothing justifies the over 1 second end lag on the second hit, no shield damage and no shield push. And the first hit does basically nothing, unless you tipper it and in that case it's even a weak tipper.

 

[Elessar]

It was ok, mid-tier'ish, but I'm convinced our fsmash now is one of the worst in the game. Nothing justifies the over 1 second end lag on the second hit, no shield damage and no shield push. And the first hit does basically nothing, unless you tipper it and in that case it's even a weak tipper.

This coupled with the fact that the second hits whiffs about half the times you use it makes it a bad option. I'd rather kill with utilt.

 

[Rizen]

It was ok, mid-tier'ish, but I'm convinced our fsmash now is one of the worst in the game. Nothing justifies the over 1 second end lag on the second hit, no shield damage and no shield push. And the first hit does basically nothing, unless you tipper it and in that case it's even a weak tipper.

^this.

 

[Huggles828]

I don't really think it's THAT bad.... it's certainly not great, but it's not that bad. I don't usually have tons of trouble with people popping out, and it's still nice that fsmash1 alone is reasonably safe because your opponent has to respect fsmash2, as long as you stay uncommitted (you can use fsmash2 on hitconfirm, and can often delay it a little if they're gonna pop out). You can also walk backwards then turn around and fsmash to get some nice range or as a pseudo-pivot move if someone tries to get behind you.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

I think the real trouble with F-smash is the fact that we have F-tilt.

 

[KenMeister]

I think the real trouble with F-smash is the fact that we have F-tilt.

And U-tilt. Really, Link's tilts (minus dtilt lol) and U-airs are my go-to kill options for everything. Especially with rage intact.

 

[Drigo Toes]

Ftilt kills at around 130%... F-smash kills at 90% or less... aren't they?

 

[Rizen]

Ftilt kills at around 130%... F-smash kills at 90% or less... aren't they?

Fsmash also hits in front of Link faster since Ftilt's hitbubbles start above and behind him.

 

[link7]

God, the most frustrating thing happened. I was editing videos that I upload to Youtube, for the crew battles we had. I counted over the player roster I was given, and saw that there were 11 players listed. 11 players means 44 stocks. So I started the stock count at 44, cut and spliced two videos apart, edited the vids., updating the stock count when needed, rendered, then uploaded the two vids. to Youtube. As I'm editing the third vid., I realize that the stock count is off by 8 stocks, two players. I spent over 90 mins. trying to figure out what I had done wrong, going over the vids. I'd previously recorded, making sure I hadn't made a math mistake. Turns out the roster I was given was missing 2 players, one from each team. Sooooooo, I had to delete the two vids. I made, AND I have to re-edit, re-render, and re-upload them to Youtube. God my head hurts.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

F-smash kills earlier but I definitely kill with F-Tilt much more often than I kill with F-smash. F-smash isn't terrible but it's too risky in most situations. I guess I definitely prefer F-tilt for its larger hitbox. I kinda wanted his tilt to be his smash in the first place, being a little stronger than it is now while retaining that good hitbox, and then have a faster tilt but it works I guess.

 

[Rizen]

Fsmash definitely has good kill power. I think it lands more consistently on large characters and fast fallers. The 2 hit thing isn't terrible but the shield pressure is. Ftilt is easier to land because Fsmash only hits low. Ftilt doesn't have to be used from a pivot but Fsmash practically does, the hitbubble are poorly thought out. I wish Fsmash had a hitbubble on Link's body to stop people from rolling behind him.
At the point when Ftilt starts killing it's probably better to use it but before that, landing early KOs with Fsmash can be worth the trouble.

 

[link and ike lover]

Anyone wanna play?

 

[Elessar]

I think the real trouble with F-smash is the fact that we have F-tilt.

Don't say this. If you continue this folly Sakurai will nerf ftilt. Talk about something else.

 

[Zelkam]

Side taunt should heal you because fairies

 

[Elessar]

Side taunt should heal you because fairies

I have always thought this. I mean, wario heals himself with his bike (wtf?), pacman with sideB, WFT with her meditation, and GaW with the Apple he drops. Why can't Link heal himself like 1 or 2% with his taunt? It's not like you can abuse it seine it had huge ending lag.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

Because that will make Link OP and people will complain and Link will get nerfed again, his side taunt will insta-kill him.

 

[DJTHED]

I actually use f-smash more for punishing than I do killing, more specifically at lower percents since the chance of the second hit whiffing is significantly lower, and deals good damage. Just my two cents.

 

[Shinobi1]

Who is the best link user in smash 4 atm?

 

[KenMeister]

Who is the best link user in smash 4 atm?

Probably KirinBlaze.

 

[Lawz.]

Who is the best link user in smash 4 atm?

Zero. Have you not seen that guide video he made showcasing his extensive knowledge of the character? I mean talk about talent.

 

[Knife8193]

Hey, does anyone have matchup experience against ZSS? If so, do you now how correctly di her Boost Kick (upb)? I seem to be able to pop of it sometimes, but other times I can't get out of it.

 

[PKBeam]

ZSS retains a lot of mobility during boost kick, so you have to DI according to that.
if she does a retreating up-B, DI away from her.
otherwise, DI behind her (and up?).
you should probably ask the ZSS boards tho.

 

[Rizen]

E3's coming up next month; what would you guys like to see?
I'd like to know more about the next LoZ game and a release date for Xenoblade Chronicles X. Getting teasers for a wii u Metroid Prime would be awesome too.

 

[8MAN]

E3's coming up next month; what would you guys like to see?
I'd like to know more about the next LoZ game and a release date for Xenoblade Chronicles X. Getting teasers for a wii u Metroid Prime would be awesome too.

Nintendo will probably bring the big guns, so probably:
>Splatoon (definately)
>Zelda U
>Xenoblade Chronicles
>Starfox U (hopeful)
>Pokemon Snap U or another 3DS Pokemon
>New 3D Mario game
>Metroid U (fingers crossed)
>Smash Bros DLC announcement, possibly Roy or Ryu

 

[IsmaR]

I'm pretty sure they already confirmed Zelda U won't be at E3.

 

[Lawz.]

I'm pretty sure they already confirmed Zelda U won't be at E3.

That is correct