Zelkam
Resident Wizard
That's just your imagination, dude. Dthrow is exactly the same as it was before the patch.
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Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
Frost_Aer0
Smash Apprentice
I'm not really in a position to say Link's nerf is excessive (I don't have the game yet and I'm scrub cuz I don't at enuff ) but I have to say this seems unwarranted. They'll now be what ___ is too powerful nerf Link memes ;-(
edit:Still gonna main Link cause he can actually move (see brawl)
edit:Still gonna main Link cause he can actually move (see brawl)
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FierceGaiety
Smash Cadet
Jeez, I can't even do my own moves!!? I can't keep taking such long breaks.
>:I.
I did do research. It's just been a couple of days since I last check the patch 1.0.6 update thread (which only had his spin attack buff) and I couldn't find it again. I just want to know what you guys were talking about. Sorry
*looks at link*
Hmmm......
Well to be honest it does look like Link actually has more buffs from this patch than nerfs. The jab does really both me as much as you guys as I never used the move (unless of corse this means it's hard for Link to, um, link his jab together).
The on that doesn't make sense is his Dtilt. Why nerf the knickknack that much AND that he can't spike people hanging on the ledge. It's already hard enough to land as it is. Though the improve hitbox on Dair is nice.
Anyway, I can just use my mii now if I want to play as Link
.Oh I knew about his shield buff.
Uh, whats CQC? Crouch something Cancel?
.......I think Sakuria knows what she's doing @The Merc jeez. She'll buff Link in the next update when they add Young Link to the roster.
*sigh*
I do really want Young Link to return. I really do.
Edit: I fixed up my mistake. Happy?
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Huggles828
Aimin' to Misbehave
And thus, with two sentences, all respect was lost....forever.
ShinnyMetal
FRABJOUS
Close Quarters Combat
Wait, what?
Now wait just a min-
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Can't argue with that.
Though to my defence, I swear someone hear called it that or at least I heard someone call it that some where else. My fault for begin misinformed. Sorry, I'll try to do better research or ask next time. Also, I really don't feel like going back to the gay boards thank you very much.
Ah. That does make more sense. Thanks
Vonzar the Soulrender
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Link mains training up this new blood every day. Time to buck up youngins. It's brawl time
Zane the pure
Smash Ace
"Link got nerfed again?" "What, did we win too many FG matches"
Wait wuh, they actually use those to define their balancing decisions???
"We're probably never going to have a tourney viable Link?" "Sakurai hates Link"
BRING IT ON!
Wait wuh, they actually use those to define their balancing decisions???
"We're probably never going to have a tourney viable Link?" "Sakurai hates Link"
BRING IT ON!
DUKEL
Smash Journeyman
On a mildly related subject... actually probably not but
My brother noticed that the cpus in 1.0.6 have gotten significantly better, he says they play more "human-like."
If that is the case, I guess FG was used as a method to create more 'realistic' cpus.
I don't play against the AI often (spend most of my time in the lab right now) so I was curious if anyone of you guys noticed any differences in cpu behavior.
If these changes are real, practicing making reads is a little more possible solo, something I could certainly benefit from.
My brother noticed that the cpus in 1.0.6 have gotten significantly better, he says they play more "human-like."
If that is the case, I guess FG was used as a method to create more 'realistic' cpus.
I don't play against the AI often (spend most of my time in the lab right now) so I was curious if anyone of you guys noticed any differences in cpu behavior.
If these changes are real, practicing making reads is a little more possible solo, something I could certainly benefit from.
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PKBeam
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so i just got reported for spamming with Link and i realised that the guy might have been partially responsible for the 1.0.6 nerf, at least one of the many people whining about him.
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Rizen
Smash Legend
"Link is super OP; I know because he beat me on for glory. Sakurai nerf pl0x!
"-a scrub
FG reported?
PKBeam
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yes, FG reported... i think he was super salty about being embarassed but he changed his tag to "reported" and I'm pretty sure he did.
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LinkHarper
Smash Rookie
Seems pretty friendly in here..
Thats ****ing hilarious, we should all try and get reported and see what happens in the next patch.
Naroghin
Smash Ace
I have noticed this as well, but i haven't tested for specific mistakes yet, such as cpus air-dodging while trying to recover no matter where on the Y axis you are while attacking, but I have noticed more solid edgeguarding and better followups. I'll look into it more. My internet hasn't been able to hold FG recently and I live in a scarcely populated area where anyone who has Sm4sh doesn't have time to play, so cpus are about the only challenge I get. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say it will train your reads or train current matchups according to the metagame, but it may be a better representation of a given character's options.
Btw, been experimenting a lot more with other setups. J2 seems okay, but I have to sort of crouch cancel into anything and it doesn't seem reliable. Definitely more reliable than j1 now, though. Also been looking into dropkick combos, if you guys remember those from brawl. They seem pretty reliable but I'm just working on ways to get the setup more consistent because just trying to time it is a B.
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O1DsLeNdYwHiTe
Smash Apprentice
Zelkam
Resident Wizard
Do you suppose that they gathered data from people's amiibos to improve the standard ai?
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
To be honest I kind of miss Link's jab cancel is gone. I seldom used it to land a free Dsmash at kill %. But now that I don't have that option, I'm forced to go for gimmicks and risky options most of the time. There is a couple of ways to get around this though. Just spam more bombs lol.
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ama99
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Smash 64 Link would be better than Smash wii u Link if he didn't have the worst recovery in series history.Oh c'mon 64 Link isn't THAT bad. lol
In fact, I'd say 64 Link is better than Smash 4 Link at this rate. At least he had projectile-combo setups in that game.
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
Anyone find it completely ridiculous that Luma's 1-2-3 jab is a KO move? How does that not warrant a Nerf?
Also, I'm not using the term 'ridiculous' in the sense that it's 'overpowered'. I'm using it more along the lines of 'stupid' because that's what it is, stupid. A jab combo that can kill someone vertically is downright poor design.
Also, I'm not using the term 'ridiculous' in the sense that it's 'overpowered'. I'm using it more along the lines of 'stupid' because that's what it is, stupid. A jab combo that can kill someone vertically is downright poor design.
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Zerker
Smash Apprentice
I just got jab to d-smashed by a ****ing yoshi.
I cannot describe how unbelievably pissed off I am right now.
I cannot describe how unbelievably pissed off I am right now.
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
Well, Falcon's jab can kill insanely early %s on the platform of smashville when it's closest to the blast zone. Nerf? Nah.
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
Yeah, except I'm talking about in the middle of the stage. Your example includes anyone in the game...because it's on the platform...next to a blast zone...
Do you know what the trajectory 'vertical' implies?
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DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
Yep. But yeah, the problem I mentioned is probably more of a blastzone issue than anything. This might go for the Rosalina jab as well, along with other things.
ShinnyMetal
FRABJOUS
Whenever my friend jab resets with luigi I am so bitter. So so bitter
Lawz.
The Original Deadpool Fan
No like, if Rosalina lands the jab and Luma ends it with his third jab (not the multihit jab) it sends the opponent UP and can kill from the middle of a stage. It's not complimented by the side blastzones at all.
ShinnyMetal
FRABJOUS
We're depressed and sad right now
it's a bad time
Zerker
Smash Apprentice
I'm mostly just angry, myself.We're depressed and sad right now
On the flipside, I've improved on converting bomb hits into kills, so there's that.
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
Well then that's just weird. What is the minimum % at which it kills?
Well we can double jab retreat. Doesn't work as well but it's something. Edit: nvrmind, thought that read as "retreat". Mah b.
Same... I'm hoping they buff Link at some point. Let's all start off by losing a ton of FG matches on purpose lol.We're depressed and sad right now
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Zerker
Smash Apprentice
Honestly, we're probably going to be relying on converting bombs to kills at the moment, as jabs are almost certainly out of the window.
Now, how to lure people into letting us Jump-Cancel Bomb Toss them into a follow-up is the question...
Now, how to lure people into letting us Jump-Cancel Bomb Toss them into a follow-up is the question...
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Drigo Toes
Smash Journeyman
As Elessar said on some thread (maybe here), it is really useful to abuse more of our pivot game. Pivot F-tilt has been one of our best move against aereal approuches (not so good against grounded, even when the shield stun is good, our CD is semi-bad), as it can catch our opponent in the air. The same can be said about pivot bomb toss (pivot toss and JC bomb toss has similar results in distance). IDK if other pivot moves can be done so easely as Ftilt and bomb toss (in particular, is it easy to do pivot Utilt?)
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Yeah, the first three games here will show pivot Ftilt's use. FG scrubs or not, it shows how excellent it is. FSK uses it well too when baiting.
lltacx
Smash Journeyman
So i was playing Majora's Mask and got the Romani Mask, after that i went to check the Milk Bar and i.... was.... AMAZED by the soundtrack. So after that i looked it up on youtube and found a piano version and now i'm addicted to both versions (in game and Piano). My point being, i NEED this song in smash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFbRMbGE7g&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFbRMbGE7g&spfreload=10
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