LGBT Smashers

[Teran]

no matter how many words you type you will never justify getting it on with a poodle or a toddler.

Mudkipz and adolescents are far more enticing, lrn2pervert.

 

[Takumaru]

no matter how many words you type you will never justify getting it on with a poodle or a toddler.

There are people who would say the same thing about having sex with another man.

 

[Barge]

No offense to the straight people here, but I'm starting to dislike the straight people who talk about homosexuality like their experts on it.
"Oh, its not a choice, they usually go gay if they have relationship issues or something".
If you're not gay, then you don't know what its like, meaning you have no experience with it. And it urks me when they use certain things to hide behind their reasoning, you probably know what it is. I have nothing against it, but that doesn't mean you can use it as an excuse for discrimination, acts toward them, and taking away certain rights.

All of that is my opinion, anyways. I wouldn't want to force my beliefs, just wanted to rant

 

[Xsyven]

There's a huge difference between two consenting adults, and an adult and a child. Or an adult and an animal. It doesn't matter what gender you are-- there's a huge difference.

 

[Ryusuta]

And it urks me when they use certain things to hide behind their reasoning, you probably know what it is. I have nothing against it

I do. And I won't pretend that I don't.

 

[Timbers]

There are people who would say the same thing about having sex with another man.

people say a lot of things

There's a huge difference between two consenting adults, and an adult and a child. Or an adult and an animal. It doesn't matter what gender you are-- there's a huge difference.

hi xsy wanna hold hands

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

You know I never thought I'd say this but...

TL;DR

Needs to be more concise before I even consider, I am not looking for the thesis to the universe, life and everything.

only the first part is directed at you.

the part that starts "Nature also dictates that leader of our society should be the strongest warrior among us all, and that any of our silly human institutions shouldn't exist..."
and ends "...I think you'll find yourself rather alone in your stance on this issue Terran: you simply have no reasonable ground upon which to stand."

Everything else is just kind of bringing the subject back on topic and, while it's related enough that it continues to make my point, it isn't necessary for you to read it for the post to have made more than a sufficient argument in counterpoint to yours.

However, if you attempt to make a further argument to the contrary, you're going to need to read the rest to make sure that you aren't arguing yourself into a corner from an argument already made. I fail to see any logical argument you could come up with to validate your point, however.





@Barge.
An expert is an expert. If someone's devoted his life to researching the genetic, biological and psychological triggers for homosexuality (or the lack of existance of such things), then I'll trust his word over someone who just happens to be gay. After all, who would you ask about child psychology? A child, or a psychologist.
That having been said, the average gay person obviously knows a lot more about being gay than the average straight person.

 

[1048576]

There's a huge difference between two consenting adults, and an adult and a child. Or an adult and an animal. It doesn't matter what gender you are-- there's a huge difference.

consent is the only difference. None of them are "weirder" than any other.

 

[Xsyven]

And yet you still say consent like it's a minor thing.

I'll admit that all three actions are "weird," and by "weird," I mean uncommon. But weird does not mean good or bad. I wouldn't even group them all together. Lots of stuff is "weird." Albinism is "weird", Judaism is "weird."


Now that we realize that we're all just arguing over what the hell the word "weird" means, this debate has no direction or reason. I'd rather it ended.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

consent is the only difference. None of them are "weirder" than any other.

no one asked how comparatively "weird" they were.

The fact is that consent is exactly the thing that makes bestiality and pedophilia ethically WRONG.

not just abnormal, not just gross: WRONG.

By acting upon another individual for ones own pleasure without the fully informed consent of the other, you are using the non-consenting party as a means to your end of pleasure and not allowing that individual to maintain his/her/its autonomy as a being that has the right to make his/her/its own decisions.

No form of ethics promotes this sort of behavior. Some of the codes of ethics that are less applicable in this situation may find the action morally permissive merely because there is no mechanism in place for measuring the morality of the action, but even then, most forms will say it is downright WRONG.

 

[Xsyven]

Right you are, Hedgy. No consent = ****. **** is bad in all shapes and sizes.

Next post continuing this debate gets an infraction. There is no debate. I'm tired of people thinking it's okay to compare homosexuality to these crude acts-- the last thing I need is for a bunch of you guys to encourage it.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Right you are, Hedgy. No consent = ****. **** is bad in all shapes and sizes.

Next post continuing this debate gets an infraction. There is no debate. I'm tired of people thinking it's okay to compare homosexuality to these crude acts-- the last thing I need is for a bunch of you guys to encourage it.

just out of curiousity: encouraging what? The comparison? the Actions? Debating?



Furthermore, yeah, the debate should be over. This one has a clear victor and a clear loser when it comes to the validity of the two sides of the argument.... but I think it's important that the debate happened because, the fact is, a lot of people that don't approve of us WILL try to use arguments like that to prove how allegedly "wrong" homosexuality is.

Arming yourself with thick skin or the control of the facts to fight the argument are the only ways you're gonna be able to get around that.











@ Crimson king below me:
heh. See above. It's going to be futile to argue semantics. The point isn't something as pedantic as "what does 'weird' mean" anyway. The point is ethics. Right and Wrong. Furthermore, let's not make this worse by stretching it out. It's pretty clear that we already won the debate becuase it's impossible to defend the other side. To continue it now is just silly for either side... furthermore it could get annoying... even if people are making obviously dumb and easy to refute posts <_<

 

[Crimson King]

consent is the only difference. None of them are "weirder" than any other.

When you post, we all become dumber.

Consent is not the ONLY difference between homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophilia. With pedophilia, you are ****** and forcing children to do your will. Bestiality is just ****** animals. Homosexuality is the attraction to your own gender, and in terms of homosexual relationships, they are consensual.

Learn words. Pedophilia and Bestiality ARE weirder than homosexuality.

 

[Xsyven]

just out of curiousity: encouraging what? The comparison? the Actions? Debating?

Encouraging homophobes to lump us together with pedophiles and puppy lovers.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Encouraging homophobes to lump us together with pedophiles and puppy lovers.

But I just want to be loved Xsyven

 

[adumbrodeus]

There's a huge difference between two consenting adults, and an adult and a child. Or an adult and an animal. It doesn't matter what gender you are-- there's a huge difference.

Yes, there is a difference, but is it a ETHICALLY SIGNIFIGANT ONE?

I say yes, others say no, but that's why we have reasonable arguments to back it up and don't go off gut reactions, cause going off gut reactions gets everyone into trouble.

When you post, we all become dumber.

Consent is not the ONLY difference between homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophilia. With pedophilia, you are ****** and forcing children to do your will. Bestiality is just ****** animals. Homosexuality is the attraction to your own gender, and in terms of homosexual relationships, they are consensual.

Learn words. Pedophilia and Bestiality ARE weirder than homosexuality.

Yes but "WHY".


Remember this entire question came out of people saying that you can just use gut reactions to justify homosexuality (or hetrosexuality for that matter) being better then pedophilia and beastiality.

Obviously there is a difference, but gut reactions aren't sufficent to deliniate it, that's where logic comes in. Otherwise, anything goes.

 

[RDK]

The ****? He honestly just compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality?

Go make love to a Nixon bobblehead or something.

 

[1048576]

When you post, we all become dumber.

Consent is not the ONLY difference between homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophilia. With pedophilia, you are ****** and forcing children to do your will. Bestiality is just ****** animals. Homosexuality is the attraction to your own gender, and in terms of homosexual relationships, they are consensual.

Learn words. Pedophilia and Bestiality ARE weirder than homosexuality.

How are you a mod? Coming in here with no idea of the context of the post just to throw insults. You're obviously trolling.

the phrase "ethically significant" was implied. You just gotta read the thread.

Timers implied that one was weirder than the rest. That's what sparked this whole fiasco.

Is it really too much to ask for mods to read the thread before they enter the discussion?

 

[Teran]

only the first part is directed at you.

the part that starts "Nature also dictates that leader of our society should be the strongest warrior among us all, and that any of our silly human institutions shouldn't exist..."
and ends "...I think you'll find yourself rather alone in your stance on this issue Terran: you simply have no reasonable ground upon which to stand."

Everything else is just kind of bringing the subject back on topic and, while it's related enough that it continues to make my point, it isn't necessary for you to read it for the post to have made more than a sufficient argument in counterpoint to yours.

However, if you attempt to make a further argument to the contrary, you're going to need to read the rest to make sure that you aren't arguing yourself into a corner from an argument already made. I fail to see any logical argument you could come up with to validate your point, however.





@Barge.
An expert is an expert. If someone's devoted his life to researching the genetic, biological and psychological triggers for homosexuality (or the lack of existance of such things), then I'll trust his word over someone who just happens to be gay. After all, who would you ask about child psychology? A child, or a psychologist.
That having been said, the average gay person obviously knows a lot more about being gay than the average straight person.

Dude seriously, if you WoT me one more time, I'll have kittens on webcam.

You use a trillion words and add long windedness and drivel to your arguments without any regard for being concise, and you literally do it to every post I make.

Adding a million words to something and losing focus and direction aren't making you look smart or winning you the argument.

Please try to make it well structured, concise, and clear.

 

[adumbrodeus]

The ****? He honestly just compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality?

Go make love to a Nixon bobblehead or something.

...

Lrn2read


The entire point of this conversation was NOT that either was IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER comparable to homosexuality (or hetrosexuality, you obviously didn't notice that either), but instead that if you go if gut reactions you can say ANYTHING is bad or good.


Which is why we have something called logical reasoning.


1 word: CONTEXT

 

[Xsyven]

Opening it whenever I feel like opening it.

And trust me, it'll be more than a week.

 

[Crimson King]

Actually, I'd rather we shut the thread down permanently. This thread is little more than a social group, and we do not allow threads for other races, so we have no reason to make a special case exception.

 

[Xsyven]

I agree 100%, and feel this thread has run its course. I've had more than a few people agree with me over AIM as well.

Thanks, LGBT thread. You served us well.