Legalize Jungle Japes

[Conviction]

Predictable hazard, only hurts you if you were forced into it, like Halberd.

Strong camping points makes a stage bannable now too? LOL, where does the line of too campy begin?

 

[WindMajor]

Hopefully far away from Toon Link's reach.

 

[Akaku94]

There is no reason to ban Japes, but people think the stage is "gay" so they'll just keep listing things they think are wrong with it until they find one that works. Of course, there is no reason that works, but then they'll fall back on the "the community hates the gay stage hurr durr Japan is better and they ban it" garbage.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

The best example here is DK. He goes to the left part, just left of the Klap Trap. He then lets the stream move him a bit and then he uses upB to go back to where he began.
Now the thing here is that the position DK is in is extremely risky for many almost all characters. Either DK or the opponent are going to get killed in this example. That is exactly what walkoffs do, very high risk vs very high reward. We don't like that, so we shouldn't like water version of it either.

It's not very high risk, very high reward because it is predictable and easy to punish. It's not like Planking which has so many mix up options. Most characters that can't punish this with projectiles can punish it by jumping into the water and hitting DK with a retreating aerial.

 

[WindMajor]

You didn't understand, it has nothing to do with the ledges, DK is IN THE DAMN WATER. If you hit him, you will also fall into the water and die most of the time. Get it now?

As in, ignore the ledge, if he's doing UpB repeatedly in the water then it's bad for reasons you just explained.

 

[Akaku94]

This is hysterical that people are actually arguing about whether or not DK is broken here. Water camping is a non-issue, and even if it was, all you have to do is ban the stage against DK.

 

[-LzR-]

Yes, let's have temple legal as you can just ban it against characters faster than you.

 

[Life]

Temple breaks every matchup in the game.

Japes pretty obviously doesn't.

 

[Strong Badam]

Sb, you don't play brawl, why are you here?

I got 3rd seed in my Brawl pool @ APEX.

Temple breaks every matchup in the game.

Japes pretty obviously doesn't.

Your thoroughly convincing arguments have changed my mind about this stage.

 

[Zajice]

Sb, you don't play brawl, why are you here?

Stage is fair and should be legal. Of course mk is ******** there. But that's to be expected

Steam says it's fair, keep it banned.

 

[Diddy Kong]

How is DK broken on this stage exactly? I see Jungle Japes more as a Diddy / Falco / MK stage. And doubt that DeDeDe couldn't chain grab DK on there.

Besides, its a cool looking stage

 

[Dr. R.O.Botnik]

No, never again. If this gets back in, we should at least try Skyworld.

 

[Akaku94]

Nah... If we get Japes, next up is PTAD, Norfair, and Distant Planet...

 

[Life]

Japes->Norfair->Ship->PTAD->DP is probably the best order. The former two already have a certain amount of support outside the usual suspects (that is, us); Ship and PTAD will likely be easier to argue for due to DP's walkoff. I imagine Ship will be easier than PTAD since its hazards are unlikely to kill you.

Of course, all the stages have hurdles to clear. Japes has the DK hurdle and the Falco hurdle. Norfair has the Sonic-or-Wario-camping hurdle and the planking hurdle. PTAD has the cars-kill-you-at-60-and-are-random hurdle and the no-ledges and floor hurdle. Pirate Ship has rudder camping. DP has the walkoff hurdle, the one camping spot, and a few people claiming the center platform is a semicircle.

None of these are banworthy and all are easily shot down. What I'm saying is that all of them are prejudices that immediately flash through peoples' minds when they think about the stage; it's irritatingly hard to convince people of things like this when most will go "herp derp ur rong" and not really give you anything to argue with. They're the same tired, old arguments we keep shooting down and people keep bringing back up, and until we can put them down for good, we're going nowhere.

We can plan farther ahead when we get a few of these. (And also salvage RC/Brinstar/PS2, because eff Apex.)

 

[Dr. R.O.Botnik]

Just asking, what's so bad about Skyworld? Is it just the non-passable platforms? I don't want it to be legal (I actually hate the CP system in general), but is it really that much worse than everything else?

 

[Life]

Mainly because the platforms cause a cave of life effect. Best person at teching wins. It's also an amazing MK stage, but that's unrelated.

 

[Arcansi]

EDIT: Nvm super far behind.

:fluttershy:

 

[Dr. R.O.Botnik]

Mainly because the platforms cause a cave of life effect. Best person at teching wins.

Then get good at teching, I guess. Also, destroy the platforms, it is super easy.

 

[Steam]

I got 3rd seed in my Brawl pool @ APEX.


Your thoroughly convincing arguments have changed my mind about this stage.

burden of proof is one the ones wanting to remove the stage from game. you don't really have to provide specific reasons as to why it's competetively viable. it has no random aspects, and has no overcentralizing strategies that are abuseable on the stage... so what's wrong with it?

 

[-LzR-]

Can't ruddercamping simply by kinda banned? It's an obviously unintended mechanic of the stage and if that is really the biggest issue then just ban it? Some people banned scrooging so this one shouldn't be a problem.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm really suprised to see that this stage is banned, I don't see even a single thing wrong with it. This stage is amazing for doubles play. AMAZING! And even the handful of minor points brought up by some in this thread don't seem to warrant a ban by any stretch of the imagination.

Yall srsly have Rainbow Cruise legal, but not Japes? Silly URC... I'm not necesarily in favor of banning RC, btw. But if you're gonna ban legit stages like Japes, how do you justify a stage that scrolls?

Japes should totally be legal.

 

[Baskerville]

I'm really suprised to see that this stage is banned, I don't see even a single thing wrong with it. This stage is amazing for doubles play. AMAZING! And even the handful of minor points brought up by some in this thread don't seem to warrant a ban by any stretch of the imagination.

Yall srsly have Rainbow Cruise legal, but not Japes? Silly URC... I'm not necesarily in favor of banning RC, btw. But if you're gonna ban legit stages like Japes, how do you justify a stage that scrolls?

Japes should totally be legal.

This. There really shouldn't be any need for this to be banned. If I remember correct doesn't MK get absolutely wrecked on Japes?

 

[-LzR-]

No, MK is retardedly good on Japes.

 

[Akaku94]

How come every time we argue for a stage to be legalized, it just happens that MK is supposedly stupidly good there? Heck, it may be true, but either way it's getting a bit annoying

 

[Dr. R.O.Botnik]

Yeah, the MK argument is kinda moot now. I will now take this opportunity to present my new argument:

IT'S JUNGLE. ****ING. JAPES.

 

[Akaku94]

No, really!

 

[Dr. R.O.Botnik]

If you want the real answer to your question, here it is; When people are told that something is undeniably good or bad for a long time, they will do or say anything to defend that opinion, even if it makes no sense.

 

[Akaku94]

^Agreed.

It's just sad, not being able to make any leeway when their only argument is essentially "no, you're wrong"

 

[popsofctown]

Necro. Japes needs to be legalized. It has no random variables and no reason to be banned.

 

[Arcansi]

All we need to do is coordinate a time for as many states/provinces as possible to have it legal during their monthly event (or equivalent)

Then ask the URC how long it takes before this means anything.

Because we still play by their rules.

 

[SinisterB]

Yeah, Japes is great stage that doesn't deserve a ban.

Klaps aren't even a big deal with some stage knowledge, I was teching them all day yesterday in Training Mode. Way too fun LOL.


LEGALIZE FREEDOM

 

[popsofctown]

All we need to do is coordinate a time for as many states/provinces as possible to have it legal during their monthly event (or equivalent)

Then ask the URC how long it takes before this means anything.

Because we still play by their rules.

I think it matters whether people want it to be legal. I don't think you have to use non-Unity tournaments to change unity, that wouldn't make much sense. It should be able to change from inside.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Unity allows for experimental rulesets, which includes the addition of new stages. Unity TOs are perfectly capable of running Japes legal tournies. Tech_Chase is running Apex rules with double MK banned in teams at PS3, and the URC is supporting it. You dun have to go outside the URC to try new things.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Didn't Experimental program period finish already?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Maybe it did, but Tech is still running PS3 with Apex ruleset + double MK banned in teams, so the URC is clearly still open to trying new things.

 

[Arcansi]

I think it matters whether people want it to be legal. I don't think you have to use non-Unity tournaments to change unity, that wouldn't make much sense. It should be able to change from inside.

Let me just, quote Delux here....

Roughly 45% [Amount of non-URS tournaments]

In the event enough URC support exists to make the (60% * 45%) + (X percentage of URC votes) = statistical significance, then that's a pretty large indication of what the community wants which result in an implied mandate by tourney usage the direction the ruleset should go.

On the contrary, there's a large amount of deviation that takes place on things like the legality of Rc/Brinstar (nearly 60% of non-URS tournaments). I think that speaks volumes towards the direction people want the URS to eventually go.

That being the case, we've been discussing stage legality direction lately within the URC, but Pictochat hasn't received much discussion at all because of its perception throughout. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the mandate by tourney usage initiates a stagelist change in the future.

That formula exists as a variable at the moment because it hasn't passed as official rule making policy in place of the current policy of 51%+ of URC votes makes a rule to the URS. However, it's my hope that we take that direction for URS 3.0, instead of advancing forward with URS 2.2. Since I'm attempting to shift how the committee makes votes to being something more democratic in nature, I've taken it upon myself to vote in the manner that my proposed policy would take the ruleset.

So I guess it could, if you could change 51% of the URC's mind without any/much tournament evidence, yeah.