Late

[GwJ]

Pro player CO18 (DDD, Fox) who arrived late to the tournament, defeats Mizu (MK) 2-0. Game 1 was a three-stock, 215% victory on Smashville, and Game 2 was a two-stock, 119% victory on BF.

This kind of crap is starting to piss me off. No offense to CO18 in particular, but I can't stand when players show up late and are given leeway because of status. I doubt some random guy would've been let play and whatever happened to the whole "If you're not here on time, you don't play." thing?

 

[-Ran]

As a whole, tournaments would be run much more efficiently if we stopped catering to people that were running late. Unfortunately, we're not professionals when we run tournaments and don't want to offend our friends. Really, most people run late because they choose to be late and expect for everyone else to make accommodations.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Regarding CO18: He PM'd me over two weeks ago about when his flight would get in and such. The tournament was not delayed because of him and we were in constant contact. The only thing that happened was that because he had informed me (EARLY, WELL BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT)) that he would be arriving late I allowed his match to occur in the last Heat of Round 2. There were 4 heats in the Round, and the last heat was not delayed because of him (he arrived "on time" because I simply moved when his match was played because he, again, had informed me well in advance of when he would be there and was in contact with me).

I was going to call Heat 4 when it needed to be called whether or not CO18 was there.

Also the conditions today are that we are ~100 people short of the cap. In columbus we were 6 people short of the cap. Tomorrow will be a different story when we aren't 3 hours ahead of schedule.

As a whole, tournaments would be run much more efficiently if we stopped catering to people that were running late. Unfortunately, we're not professionals when we run tournaments and don't want to offend our friends. Really, most people run late because they choose to be late and expect for everyone else to make accommodations.

Again, the tournament was (is still being) run at peak efficiency. CO18 caused zero-delay.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Chu and Junebug at APEX comes to mind, as does M2K in singles.

 

[OkamiBW]

So long as the people give notice well in advance (which is subjective and up to the TO), then there should be no problem if it affects the tournament very little or not at all. If Joe Schmo, the random marth main, says, "I'll be there at 1:30, instead of 1:00," then there shouldn't be any problem. On the other hand, if Mango says, "I'll be there at 8:30, instead of 1:00...just give me the money and I won't even play," then there's a problem.

 

[Bones0]

So long as the people give notice well in advance (which is subjective and up to the TO), then there should be no problem if it affects the tournament very little or not at all. If Joe Schmo, the random marth main, says, "I'll be there at 1:30, instead of 1:00," then there shouldn't be any problem. On the other hand, if Mango says, "I'll be there at 8:30, instead of 1:00...just give me the money and I won't even play," then there's a problem.

I don't see what's wrong with that if Mango does it.

 

[Scaphist]

Chu and Junebug at APEX comes to mind, as does M2K in singles.

Well wasn't that because Chu and M2K were playing melee also?

M2K and Jman is a better example at pound4.

 

[-Ran]

Again, the tournament was (is still being) run at peak efficiency. CO18 caused zero-delay.

I was more or less talking about Smash tournaments in general. <3

 

[JesiahTEG]

I actually don't mind ppl showing u plate to tournaments. If you're a low status player and I'm not to'ing, which I'm normally not, I will try and talk to the TO and have them delay the tournament. They're part of the community too, and if they're late...Well, I put myself in their shoes and say, how much would it suck if I missed this tournament?

And, if a high status player is late, then of course the tournament is going to be delayed, because everyone wants them to be there to play them and see them play and stuff. That's one of the advantages to being good in smash, haha.

 

[GwJ]

Jesiah- Instead of putting yourself in that one player's shoes, put yourself in the shoes of everyone else who made it on time expect to get done on time. Sure, the late player could've had something to do beforehand, but who's to say other people don't have things to do AFTER the tournament?

Late people simply should not be catered for.

 

[Messatsu!]

Chu and Junebug at APEX comes to mind, as does M2K in singles.

Accomidations have to be made in advance for players in multipule tournaments, but only to a extent. They payed for the events and just because they are gdlk in both games and go deep in both brackets doesn't justify DQing them when they HAVE to be in two places at once. Trying to call out M2K on being late at Apex is just dopey, especially trying to DQ him in what was it, winner finals?

In another thread in this section AZ posted about players in both Melee and Brawl going through their pool matches (and I add to this: bracket matches as well) first to avoid issues like this. Of course this takes a lot of planning before hand, but that is what makes some tournaments more successful than others.

Being late on purpose is another thing completely and shouldn't be tolerated without good excuse or prior warning like CO18. My homeboy Vorgy from our region always calls before tournament to plan his 'lateness' and expects me to accomadate him. Despite being my friend I have DQed him before for simply not caring enough to be punctal and responsible.

Tl;dr

Don't be late, accommodate for those in multipule games, be responsible and make good judgement calls as a TO in disqualification decisions.

 

[AlphaZealot]

M2K will hold up matches when he wants to warm up when switching between games (Brawl and Melee).

He has been spectacular at MLG this season in terms of being to matches on time. He is always immediately available and hes definitely improved a lot - he hasn't held up an MLG tournament at all.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Jesiah- Instead of putting yourself in that one player's shoes, put yourself in the shoes of everyone else who made it on time expect to get done on time. Sure, the late player could've had something to do beforehand, but who's to say other people don't have things to do AFTER the tournament?

Late people simply should not be catered for.

Jumpman- What you're forgetting is, I am putting myself in their shoes AS one of those people who showed up on time expecting to get done on time. I don't need to put myself in those people's shoes because I am one of them. I'm speaking from both perspectives.

Smash is my game, I love it. When I go to tournaments, I assume everyone else loves it just as much, and I wouldn't want to be DQ'd after a plane ride across the country, which is time and a lot of money invested.

And, about not catering to good players...Everyone has this belief that good players are catered to and it's bs because everyone else matters just as much, so they shouldn't have special treatment.

I agree with that on one hand. On the other hand though, good players, the best players, are what this game is all about. THEY'RE the ones putting on a show for the audience, but more importantly...THEY'RE the ones who have the passion and determination for this game (Melee or Brawl) to sit down and practice more than most people, to put more time into the game in order to push their characters as far as they go.

On one hand, they're no better than anyone else at the tournament because we are all human beings and should be treated equally.

On the other hand though, I'm one of those players who has put an immense amount of time into my game, and I'm not even THAT good yet. I've sacrificed a lot for my game too. When some of my friends are all hanging out downtown, I'm at home practicing needle cancels, edgehogs, waveshines, etc...I put ideas I get when I'm out somewhere into my phone so when I get home I can practice.

Honestly I'd feel kinda offended if I was late to a tournament and got DQ'd because of it. The way I see it, the top players...This is THEIR game. This is the game that they've put in the time and heart towards, experiencing more frustration than anyone else below them, as they've had to overcome much more to get where they are.

When I was a lower level player, part of the reason I went to tournaments were to see and play against the good players in my region, because I had an immense amount of respect for them...They were where I wanted to be. Therefore, I always talked with the TO and got them to wait for them. (Our TO usually did anyways)

And for the people that didn't look forward to seeing the good players play, or didn't have a lot of respect for them...Or maybe they did want to see them play, but they had to be home at 11 to work on a school paper...Well, although I respect every one of them...This isn't your game then and at least in my eyes and the eyes of some other people I've spoken with, you almost don't even have the right to complain.

Idk, maybe I'm the one that has it wrong. I guess some people see tournaments as a place to go and compete, with a certain time frame, certain rules, and then once it's over they go back to their normal lives.

It's more than that though, at least to some of us, especially a lot of the top players.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I actually don't mind ppl showing u plate to tournaments. If you're a low status player and I'm not to'ing, which I'm normally not, I will try and talk to the TO and have them delay the tournament. They're part of the community too, and if they're late...Well, I put myself in their shoes and say, how much would it suck if I missed this tournament?

And, if a high status player is late, then of course the tournament is going to be delayed, because everyone wants them to be there to play them and see them play and stuff. That's one of the advantages to being good in smash, haha.

I just threw my belief of this being a competitive community out the window.

 

[ranmaru]

Also think of this.

Let's use Apex as an example. I know I can go, and I pay to do the events I want to do.

Now, UH OH, I notice my father has an appointment on the friday of the Apex Event.

Of course the appointment was moved back TWICE to that date, how lucky could I have been?

Now, I payed and I STILL want to go, and I asked Alex Strife what I can do... He was very helpful, and I was able to come over even though i didn't do doubles (I didn't sign up for that either)

I was sooooo pissed about that appointment. Sometimes you might be late due to things like that.

You can assume some people might BE late due to laziness, but if you do you'd be penalizing people who would be late due to emergencies, and that wouldn't be cool.

Think first before you act.