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KSSU: Revenge of Meta Knight Mafia - Game Over! Has Dreamland been conquered!?

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I don't get why in the world you are trying to correlate those two things together. I said I am putting my foot down an keeping my vote on Kuzi. That's my opinion that I want to maintain.

The blue bit is a could be scenario where Kuzi would reach to say that I shouldn't vote him because I said earlier that he was leaning town.

You are trying to connect two puzzle pieces that just don't fit together.
 

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They could literally not be more connected. Both have to do with you changing your reads. One says you're going to stay constant, the other says you change your reads based off what happens.

Are you saying that there is no scenario in which you unvote from Kuz?
 

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*face-freaking-palm*

Glyph, are you trolling me again?

Also can you remind me of your reads on.....anyone.....besides myself?
 

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If someone else wants to come in here and tell me those two statements aren't related I'll drop it. But I cannot see how you saying you have no intention to change your vote for the remainder of the day, and then justifying you changing your vote based off the argument that reads change as the game goes on is not anything but a complete contradiction.

J read back a bit, you should be able to find at least one.
 

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J read back a bit, you should be able to find at least one.
Why did you just not answer the simple question?

Also gladly because when looking back I found I am right because in this game from now->past you have barely commented on anyone. You have never even given a definite read on anyone but myself.

[Collapse=His "other" reads]
I still don't like J.

I'd prefer a Tandora lynch over a Kuz lynch.
Doesn't take a clear stance on either Tanny or Kuzi.

HL: I could have sworn Gheb had more posts than that, but yeah the only thing he's said is "Is Kuz dead yet". Certainly not a better lynch candidate than J atm but unless he really turns it around it'll be hard to let him stick around.

If J flips scum Tandora is probs his scummate (which I'm sure would have made J happy after how he went after recruiting her in dexter). Calling him town because he sounds happy in his posts is pretty out there.
Mentions Gheb isn't a good lynch target at all right now *pg 5 or 6*. Yet doesn't express a read on him Says Tanny is J's scummate if he does flip scum but doesn't say she is scum.

Tiger you haven't shown me any reason to trust you nor have you done anything to incur my distrust. For now, we're neither.

I'm not liking that J seems to be under the impression people aren't allowed to have a scum read on him.
Null on Tiger way back on pg 4.[/collapse]

So no Glyph you actually don't have any other reads besides your incessant tunneling on me. Should I bring up the posts? They look mighty ugly when put together. ;)

Let me re-itereate the question, what are your reads on any player other than J?
 

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I don't like Tandora.

And go ahead J, it'd be easier than actually responding to my points.
 

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[Collapse=Glyph Post Bring Up]
Seeing as how I'm in a hot two games right now I won't be coasting.

vote: J

Maybe its because its been so long since I've seen townJ but I don't like that last post, namely the "Policy lynch on me? You're funny Ryker." part.
So far I'm still happy to see J go.

Don't like the HL wagon, yes its a three-headed hydra but its not your typical lemonade.

Tandora, if I were to take a time machine back to the 1980's, what would be some things I would need to know to adapt and survive?
Beat: Its based off one post that was intended to end RVS and the fact that its a three headed hydra, which should be irrelevant since the hydra is actually made of upper level players.
Aaaaaand still thinking we should lynch J. Feels just like bingo J again
Tiger you haven't shown me any reason to trust you nor have you done anything to incur my distrust. For now, we're neither.

I'm not liking that J seems to be under the impression people aren't allowed to have a scum read on him.
Thats a pretty ridiculous accusation. I'm null on Tiger, so I said I was null.
J, what does that post accompish other than providing a bunch of things you've done as scum. I'll go ahead and field that one, its set up to make it look like scummy play is a town tell for you.

The fact that you made a post like that at all makes me more confident that you're scum.

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J, you want to see a joke? Look back at where I asked Tandora about the 80s and she responded with a funny video on the subject. Notice how there are absolutely no connections between our exchange and the game.

Your "joke" is all about scummy mafia play, and how its been used to lynch you in the past. Its pretty clear that you have ideas you want people to take away from that post (in regards largely to your play).

:phone:
J, just as soon as i stop being sure you're scum.

:phone:
Oh you mean the scumGlyph meta where i correctly found scummy points about you without your knowledge in order to get you lynched? Yes I was scum, but I may as well have not been the same alignment as you.

:phone:
HL: I could have sworn Gheb had more posts than that, but yeah the only thing he's said is "Is Kuz dead yet". Certainly not a better lynch candidate than J atm but unless he really turns it around it'll be hard to let him stick around.

If J flips scum Tandora is probs his scummate (which I'm sure would have made J happy after how he went after recruiting her in dexter). Calling him town because he sounds happy in his posts is pretty out there.
Because pretending they're not there makes the bad men go away huh. This entire question is phrased to make me look like an unreliable source btw.

"Why aren't you pushing the wagon on me?"
Phrased to make it look as though I've dropped my pressure, whereas I just haven't posted in this game in a while (its been pretty dead, most people hadn't).

"Also why aren't you scum-hunting?"
Because J certainly couldn't be scum!

"Enough jabs,"
ie, everything you've raised was just insults and holds no water

"show my your guns and start going guns ablazing or I will continue to openly not care for every post you make"
And we wrap it all up with a threat of being ignored (or just disliked, "openly not care for" could mean either) based of every single post. Meaning, I have not made a single post yet this game J has liked.

J this question was aimed at both JTB and myself, are you saying you feel the exact same way about both of us? Does that make us both scum? Why are your questions phrased as addressing one person, when you're addressing two?



"Hey Gheb, I know you could be either scum or town and I have no idea which you are, but I'd like to be friends anyway!"

Does not strike me as a town play, since its essentially a huge gamble that could result in buddying a scum player. Makes a lot of sense as a scum play though, since you'd have a strong town player backing you if it went through.
Why do people ever try to buddy at all? If you're town and buddy scum, you're setting yourself to be mislynched the next day. I don't see how buddying could be benefitial to town, can anyone (preferably tandora, j, or tiger) elaborate on that?

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I don't have a strong town read in Gheb, the idea there was that if you were scum you would know that he was town, and he's a solid town player. It would be benefitial to have him supporting you.

:phone:
J should be lynched today.

J, man your rate of being scum is astounding.
I still don't like J.

I'd prefer a Tandora lynch over a Kuz lynch.
J I'm not twisting your words at all. You say that you're not going to change your scum read on someone, and then he can't call you out for previously having a town read on him since reads change sometimes.
J I don't understand how you're not getting what I'm saying.



Red text- I am going to commit to one person being scum and stick with it for the remainder of the day, regardless of what happens.

Blue text- But its okay for me to have changed my read earlier since reads obviously need to change as the game goes on.
They could literally not be more connected. Both have to do with you changing your reads. One says you're going to stay constant, the other says you change your reads based off what happens.

Are you saying that there is no scenario in which you unvote from Kuz?
If someone else wants to come in here and tell me those two statements aren't related I'll drop it. But I cannot see how you saying you have no intention to change your vote for the remainder of the day, and then justifying you changing your vote based off the argument that reads change as the game goes on is not anything but a complete contradiction.

J read back a bit, you should be able to find at least one.
I don't like Tandora.

And go ahead J, it'd be easier than actually responding to my points.
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Glyph, you have not done ANYTHING but focus solely on me and tunnel me for as far as you can. You don't have any other reads besides me apparantly (and now you "don't like Tanny" which you still haven't explained).

20 of your posts have my name in it or a response to a question I personally asked.

You have 1 post that doesn't involve me and it was an RVS post describing what a hydra was.

In those 21 posts you have no other reads besides nulls and that J is scum and 20 of those posts just solely revolve around me. You have no points against me, and you have absolutely nothing but tunneling. It is there in black and white.

Let me ask you one last time, give me your reads on everyone with details as to why.
 

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freaking gova, i thought someone got quicklynched
 

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I was thinking the exact same thingy JTB.

Since you are here JTB, who should die? Tanny or Kuzi? Then tell me what you think of Glyph lately after you laid your FoS on him.

If you could change the wagon onto someone, who would you personally like to be seen lynched?
 

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I need to re-read all three of the people you mentioned, I can't recall why people think Tandora is scum and I need to review Kuz' case on yourself.

I would like to wagon Tiger, I'm still don't understand why he thinks Tandora is the play of the Day, but given the inactivity in this game, it's hard to do so when he only shows up every once in a while.

So I guess with how the game is at this moment, I would be fine with a Tiger lynch.

sorry to disappoint, just got home from volunteering/third job interview (which I got, yay), now getting laundry done for my trip to San Jose tomorrow and getting ready for my band concert tonight

At the very latest, I'll be posting late tonight after my concert.
 

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J I don't understand how you're not getting what I'm saying.



Red text- I am going to commit to one person being scum and stick with it for the remainder of the day, regardless of what happens.

Blue text- But its okay for me to have changed my read earlier since reads obviously need to change as the game goes on.
You must have hella long arms with reach like that. Glyph, no offense, but what is wrong with you this game? You haven't talked about anything other than J and from that you have only made a couple of points on him that don't even make sense. Are you actually serious about this J tunneling? Tell me, what is this ultimate Jscum meta that you have? List the other points for why J is scum (nothing like the post up above. You know very well that isn't what he was saying). Why is Tandora scummy? Is the only reason you think Kuz is town because of his scum read on J? Or is their more? What is your read on Tiger, hl, and Gheb?

Please answer everything.
 

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That's very cool Zen. =o

I also don't get why this game is so dead.

Zen, would you be willing to lynch Glyph over the inactive/V/LA Kuzi-kuz? Dependant on his responses of course.
 

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Can you explain Tanny more. JTB, I keep flipping on whether he is dumb town or actually scum.

Glyph is just being hella scummy. Kuzi is scummy but there is really not much we can do on his slot till he gets back.

Zen, since you seem to be the only one playing this game besides myself (-.-") out of Gheb/HL, who would you rather go first? They both rest in my nulls atm since both are gonna be hard to read.

@HL: I am very mad at your slot. Grrr.
 

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Tanny, if you are true to your last line, vote one of Glyph/Kuzi-kuz in your next post please.
 

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Please, do lynch me. Then lynch J the following day. And things will be wonderful in the world with a scum member out of the way.
 

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Glyph answer the dag on posts and quit being so ignorant. Even if you do have a scum-read on someone this is not a way to go about it because it is just rude.
 

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J I'm going to play this game the way I think it is best to play it. While apparently the connections I'm drawing are not the same ones other are seeing, maybe if they see my flip and know my intentions were considering what I felt was best for town then they'll get them too.
 

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J I'm going to play this game the way I think it is best to play it. While apparently the connections I'm drawing are not the same ones other are seeing, maybe if they see my flip and know my intentions were considering what I felt was best for town then they'll get them too.
I am calling bull on this looming danger that you have where you haven't done anything but tunnel me because you can't pull this crap like you did in KSSU. The fact that you are even attempting to drop that you have outside info against me is complete trash.
 

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Just got backish from V/LA

Still have lots of work to do but I should be able to start posting semi-regularly again tomorrow. Havn't read anything, will do so soon.
 

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Can you explain Tanny more. JTB, I keep flipping on whether he is dumb town or actually scum.

Glyph is just being hella scummy. Kuzi is scummy but there is really not much we can do on his slot till he gets back.

Zen, since you seem to be the only one playing this game besides myself (-.-") out of Gheb/HL, who would you rather go first? They both rest in my nulls atm since both are gonna be hard to read.

@HL: I am very mad at your slot. Grrr.
I don't think I'd want to lynch either since there are so many scummy people. They are both null for me as well. I wouldn't be able to decide without flips or seeing more from them.

Unvote; Vote: Glyph

No one should play the way he is. He's not even going to respond to any questions. He needs to go.
 

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Then lynch me J.
See this pure and incessant drive that you are 100% right and that you are willing to die for your read is making me just the more wary to lynch you. I'm debating as to whether you are just being obnoxious sheerly on purpose or because of how blatantly scummy you are.

Either way, you make a fine lynch candidate to rid of the migraine.
 

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Claiming at L-4, dropping looming threats of having outside info, being un-cooperative in every single way possible.

Seriously wth Glyph? -.-
 

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Uhhhh where did I say I had outside info?
 

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The way you were dropping hints that when you die that on your town-flip there will be plenty of info to just immediately lynch myself the following day.
 

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Glyph if you were to flip town, that wouldn't put anything against J. You haven't even made a case on him. If you're town, baiting your lynch is just plain anti-town. You should answer my questions.
 

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Just doin you is not answering questions?

Just doin you is tunneling someone without any reason?

Just doin you is a ***** way of playing the game. It's not really fair to us if you're town.
 

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Kuz what do you think about Glyph's recent play?

:phone:
It's bad, but not scummy bad. It's how Glyph plays when he really doesn't give a **** about the game. I just finished a game with him in the DRoom where he played in the same fashion at some points and flipped town. I don't think he would be this nonchalant and uncooperative as scum. The only difference is that in the other game he refused to claim until we pretty much dragged it out of him. He claimed here with no fuss and with relatively no pressure on him.

293 made me chuckle, btw.

@Glyph: Do you care about winning this game for town at all? If so, answer Zen's 292.
 

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Uhg, this is the condensed version of what I had before.

J said:
@Kuzi: Are you honestly telling me these are the people you trust? JTB/Glyph/Tiger/Beat/Yourself/Tandora? You have said you trust all of them aaaand your only scum-read atm is J. So that means my buddy must be one of Gheb/HL, if so, who is my scum-buddy and why? If one of your "town" reads could be scum who and why?
At the current moment I am still fine with everyone (lol @ you including yourself) in that list barring Tandora and maybe Glyph.

Your points on JTB aren't convincing and most of his posts give me a disgruntled town vibe. In particular the nonchalance with which he responded to being a lynch candidate is not something I can see scumJTB faking.

@JTB: What are your reads on the new Beat/Zen? Who would you rather lynch out of J/Tandora?

@J: Apparently your scum read on JTB has also vanished. Was the only thing that changed your mind 260? Why are you being so damn flippant this game? And don't even try to feed me the "reads change" bull**** because you have been flip-flopping on reads without any sort of rhyme or reason. Theres a line where revising reads become opportunistic switches and you've long since crossed it. Zen even brought up its rediculousness in the central panel of 293. I am not going to go bother quoting your flip flops because you'll just dismiss it as reaching anyway, but you literally have gone from "Kuz can survive until LYLO" to "I am null leaning scum on Kuz" all dependant on the opinions of other power players at the time.

Glyph I already explained just looks like he doesn't give a ****. I actually remembed that he does do that as scum, games being Dexter and Pizza. The only thing that bugs me with accepting scumGlyph in this scenario is his claim. If he was scum I think he would have tried to counterclaim a PR or claim one at L-1, like in Dexter. I wouldn't be adverse to his lynch, but I think there are definitely better candidates.

Tiger, although inactive, doesn't give me off any bad vibes. Tandora's reasoning for boarding were all voting patterns working off the assumption that the middle vote on a wagon is scum. JTB regurgitates that reasoning and boards. Havn't seen any points made against him that weren't blatant WIFOM.

I didn't actually have a town read on Beat and only threw that in there to bait a response out of JTB. I like Zen because he's the first person I've seen approach this thread with a level head and I agree with many of his reads (all of 293, actually). How he still has a town read on J, though, I havn't the slightest.

Tandora has been increasingly bothering me lately mostly because of her complete lack of direction/stances. 271 is a great example of this. 297 is also pretty grody. After all the discussion that had taken place before that post, all she could think to do was reiterate on her dislike of hydras, remark that the thread was in fact slow for some reason and say everyone except J could die. Her reasoning for boarding Tiger is just bad and she's not shown any initiative to push his lynch and convince others to join. Her only town read, J, comes from the reasoning that she see "genuine enjoyment" in his play this game. She even notes several places she finds J scummy but then later dismisses these because on townJ meta and J's activity.

@Tando: Elaborate on who you want gone. All I've seen you say is that you would be alright with anyone besides J and that you want the Night to think it over. Narrow down your candidates for me toDay, please.

Gheb and HL are both null.

tl;dr I don't like Tandora or J, fine with either of their lynches. Glyph only if we had no other option. Fine with everyone else.
 
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