KSSU: Revenge of Meta Knight Mafia - Game Over! Has Dreamland been conquered!?

[Tandora]

Tandora has been increasingly bothering me lately mostly because of her complete lack of direction/stances.

When have I ever had a solid direction or stance on D1? Ever?

@Tando: Elaborate on who you want gone. All I've seen you say is that you would be alright with anyone besides J and that you want the Night to think it over. Narrow down your candidates for me toDay, please.

I'm still all about lynching HL. They haven't posted in 5 days. Three really vocal players and they've barely participated? Why is that acceptable? It's not good play for any player.

They haven't really contributed to the game at all as far as scumhunting goes. The small flurry of activity they did bother with was mostly "Why I am at L-1?" stuff instead of doing any questioning or stance taking.

Still don't like Tiger much either. He spent a lot of early game asking several people to buddy with him, never initiates votes, and has yet to give JTB any reason at all why he thinks I"m the play. JTB asked him several times for an explanation other than appearing as if he's following Gheb's lead and Tiger never once gave any response.

Despite his brashness, I doubt Glyph is scum. His willingness to be lynched first is townie to me and the simple fact I think this is the first time I've seen him active and not leave a game makes me want to keep him on board.

I believe Kuz is town too because he has been good about participating when he's not V/LA. I think his willingness to go heads up with J is indicative of towniness.

tl:dr; HL because of inactivity for a playerslot that has no excuse for it.
Tiger because of shady reasoning.

Kuz (or anyone who has been saying I'm scummy), if I were to be lynched, who would you suspect is scum when I flip as town?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Tandora I'm active in almost all my games, I get the feeling you're thinking of 'broken laptop' era Glyph who was in like 4 games and had to replace out of all of them when his laptop screen broke.

There have been a few other games in which I wasn't overly active, but the level I'm at right now is not an uncommon one.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: Apparently your scum read on JTB has also vanished. Was the only thing that changed your mind 260? Why are you being so damn flippant this game?

Gonna just respond to this individually so it doesn't muck up the other post I am making.

Reason for JTB change of heart was because i went back to look at his posts after that AtE post which made me stop and think for a second because it reminded me of times I've actually mis-lynched him for this exact same play. I'm willing to put him in the nulls for now but I don't think he is scum anymore.

Shallow eh? Says the one faking reads to bait reactions. I am saying my reads as they come about in my thought process because I see no reason to hide them. Why did you deem it necessary to say my attempts of switching are purely oppurtunistic? Wouldn't I have jumped onto Glyph with Zen? Was my JTB push that went nowhere oppurtunistic? Also I had been pushing you and let's say I did what you did w.r.t. your Beat read. What if I said I had a null-leaning town on you just to see what I could get out of it? Your power players point is weak too.

Your big post does not really change much of my opinion on your slot and I'm still more than happy to see it go.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because they were. I was talking about the wagon switches on yours truly, not JTB though. Just because you didn't follow every single wagon switch doesn't mean you didn't do it in other areas, why should Zen's vote on Glyph make a difference?

Null leaning town read isn't "Kuz can survive until LYLO." The power player point is very relevant, wtf are you talking about? Gheb comes along saying "still want Kuz dead, and tandora too" and you're read flip flops again, saying that JTB should die first but Kuz/Tando are next in line. Then Zen comes in saying I am scum and suddenly I am first on your scum list (I think? I don't even know with you anymore) despite saying you wanted me to live to lylo 80 pages ago. I don't know what I could have done to change that read because I was V/LA the whole time and didn't post once.

Your big post does not really change much of my opinion on your slot and I'm still more than happy to see it go.

You're funny sometimes, you know that?

 

[th3kuzinator]

80 posts ago*

Responding to your post after lunch, tando

 

[#HBC | J]

why should Zen's vote on Glyph make a difference?

He's an actual power player this game, Glyph would be a perfect oppurtunity to hop on considering no one would protest his lynch as well.

Null leaning town read isn't "Kuz can survive until LYLO." The power player point is very relevant, wtf are you talking about? Gheb comes along saying "still want Kuz dead, and tandora too" and you're read flip flops again, saying that JTB should die first but Kuz/Tando are next in line. Then Zen comes in saying I am scum and suddenly I am first on your scum list (I think? I don't even know with you anymore) despite saying you wanted me to live to lylo 80 pages ago. I don't know what I could have done to change that read because I was V/LA the whole time and didn't post once.

Gheb isn't a power player this game though...? And my reads have never been influenced by what he said lol! I have always been on you Kuzi since pg 1 as you have always been on me. Tanny I am not even wanting to lynch...well...okay wait for my next post on Tanny. Zen also didn't influence what I said either and you're reaching again~.

You're funny sometimes, you know that?

Scum-slip? =o

 

[th3kuzinator]

No no, wait. I have a better one.

Your big post does not really change much of my opinion on your slot and I'm still more than happy to see it go.

Says the person who has flip flopped his read on me over 10 times.

 

[#HBC | J]

Said was scum.

Then flipped read to null-leaning town.

Then went back to scum.

"Flipped" twice. Counting's hard.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Or maybe

Says the person who had previously wanted me to live to lylo.

So many good one liners I could come up with for that.

 

[#HBC | J]

True, but there are also alot of one-liners for the amount of reaching you have done this game.

Also why do you keep bringing up that point like it actually matters lol? You are just now focusing on wording and not actually that I have a scum-read on you.

 

[Gova]

 

[th3kuzinator]

Said was scum.

Then flipped read to null-leaning town.

Then went back to scum.

"Flipped" twice. Counting's hard.

Said was scum. Then wavered to null leaning town, then gheb came along and you said you could see me dying again, then back to he can live until lylo, then back to a possible lynch target then to the definition of null then to null leaning scum after JTB dies and now scum and should die now.



Having too much fun with that smiley.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh my can't you do anything besides reach and beat a bad point to death this game?

Same here lol.

 

[th3kuzinator]

True, but there are also alot of one-liners for the amount of reaching you have done this game.

Bring em' on.

Also why do you keep bringing up that point like it actually matters lol? You are just now focusing on wording and not actually that I have a scum-read on you.

Oh but you certainly know what I'm getting at. On the contrary, I would say it definitely does matter. I am saying you are not being firm with your stances which is quite obvious from the thread. I still don't know, btw. Are you just happy to see my slot go, or do you actually think I'm scum? If the latter, what changed your descicion from "Living until Lylo" read you had before my V/LA and the "Null leaning scum" read you currently have now. I hadn't posted once in that period and you say the change has nothing to do with other power players, so I want you to tell me what the source of it was.

 

[#HBC | J]

Okay let me go over a few thingies. I need to finally get all my thoughts out in the open because it's the only way I will be able to think correctly.

2. Glyph - Can die

His willingness to be lynched is scaring me about lynching him. I think he is just being not smart and willing to die for his read is dumb. However he is completely useless this game as well even if he is town he isn't helping anyone. Even when looked at through a meta standpoint, it's a null-tell like Kuzi said. He can die just to simply be rid of the questionable headache.

3. JTB - Nullish

Meh. His AtE post sent up a red flag to me. That's not the major indicator of my flip on JTB. The major point I am going over in my head is that this is looking very similar to what usually happens between me and JTB is that I lynch him over the exact same types of things. I see what he is doing as scummy but I am usually wrong on him for those reasons. Willing to keep him around for a bit more.

4. Gheb_01 - Null

Not much has been done from him toDay. He thinks one of Kuzi/Tanny is scum. He doesn't mind if JTB's/Glyph's slots die for being not smart. He also thinks J is town. He is indifferent to Zen/Tiger/HL.

5. Zen - Towny

I liked Beat when he was posting even though it was mainly against me. I just thought he was being blinded by Kuzi and Glyph's non-stop chants of Jscum but he was trying to do what he thought was best. Then we have Zen. Zen seems to be on the same wavelength as me this game and it's a nice change for once. He has been trying to do what he thinks is right and I have no problem with him.

6. TigerWoods - Towny

I like Tiger. He, when he was here, was posting his thoughts and questioning things. Nothing to say besides I like his slot even though he isn't here.

7. HardLemonade - Null

There is literally almost nothing to go off of this slot. I am slightly annoyed because it's ridiculous when you have not just two people in a hydra but 3 and they are nearing their second prod on D1. They can die just for not being here.

8. Tandora - Hmm...

Tanny is weird for me. I don't like her this game too much but I don't dislike her too much either this game. Her constant pushing on HL is what is keeping me from lynching her. She is being stubborn and stating her opinion on hydras and frankly I have to side with her in this case on the hydra business. There are 3 active intelligent players in that hydra and not a single one can come and comment? EE is V/LA as said in another game, though what about Adumb/Ryker? That's still two players. The problem I am coming up is I have been scum with Tandora before. It is a bit of meta influencing me but she is more....how to say...subject to change I guess. She changes her mindset a bit more and does not really hone in on one tiny minute detail and doesn't let go. This reminds me of townTanny alot where when she thinks she is right she does not let go whatsoever. Her Tiger wagon though is bleck. That's the thing that makes me go back and forth on her. I don't know whether to protest her lynch or protest it. Her 321 is a pure example or where I just don't know what to say w.r.t. it.

9. Th3Kuzinator - Can die

Nothing has really changed my mind from my previous statement of saying I am putting my foot down and saying he can die. I mean I don't really have much of anything to say w.r.t. Kuzi besides I want him dead because I find him scummy as I've already pointed out and so have others.

Lynch based off of overall scumminess: th3kuzinator
Lynch based off of uselessness: Glyph

So yea I guess I'll stick by what is said in this post as my stances and why for the remainder of the Day which isn't that long at all.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Is this the part where I say you didn't actually list any reasoning for me being scummy and thus I can't respond to it?

Cute stuff.

Answer my 334 when you get the chance.

 

[#HBC | J]

Answer my 334 when you get the chance.

There is nothing to answer in your 334. Or let me put it into better terms, anything to answer that's useful. Your question is a trap that I don't feel like springing.

 

[th3kuzinator]

There is nothing to answer in your 334. Or let me put it into better terms, anything to answer that's useful. Your question is a trap that I don't feel like springing.

Oh hey this is exactly like what happened before. I called you out on questionable material and you just dismissed what I was saying as a leading question.

What type of debate hall terms are you going to use this time?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh hey this is exactly like what happened before. I called you out on questionable material and you just dismissed what I was saying as a leading question.

What type of debate hall terms are you going to use this time?

Kuzi, tell me the answer you were expecting out of me by asking that question in 334? Then tell me what is the point of it?

Sorry I don't need debate hall terms. (side note: they use those in there? o_o Huh that's pri cool. I just use what my AP English teacher has been teaching us lately.)

 

[th3kuzinator]

Like seriously, why are you making this 10x harder than this needs to be?

I am saying you made opportunistic read switches and you are denying it. I'm asking you what changed your mind during the course of a specific interval devoid of any posting from your truly, and you refuse to answer.

If there is something you discovered during a re-read, I want you to bring it up so I can address it because, frankly, I don't even know what you're calling me scum for.

 

[#HBC | J]

I am saying you made opportunistic read switches and you are denying it. I'm asking you what changed your mind during the course of a specific interval devoid of any posting from your truly, and you refuse to answer.

If there is something you discovered during a re-read, I want you to bring it up so I can address it because, frankly, I don't even know what you're calling me scum for.

You don't know why I'm calling you scum? o_O

Your wording is wrong. It wasn't opportunistic so yes you are correct, I am denying you saying I am opportunistic.

Another thing: You don't have to post to be scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuzi, tell me why you think Zen is calling you scum.

Then tell me why you think Ghebby is.

 

[Hard Lemonade]

Another thing: You don't have to post to be scummy.

WTF is this?

 

[th3kuzinator]

You don't know why I'm calling you scum? o_O

Your wording is wrong. It wasn't opportunistic so yes you are correct, I am denying you saying I am opportunistic.

Another thing: You don't have to post to be scummy.

............................................

I feel like I'm ****ing playing 20 questions here.

Why do you keep sidestepping the actual question and going off on your own little tangents? You thought I was town before I went V/LA, you thought I was scum when I came back from V/LA. I didn't post anything inbetween. I want to know WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND. I am not saying you CAN'T change your mind, but I am curious as to WHAT CHANGED IT.

Can someone explain to me why J isn't dead yet?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, tell me why you think Zen is calling you scum.

Then tell me why you think Ghebby is.

Because Zen actually knows how to play this game he explained his read on me ages ago. Its in one of his earlier posts during my V/LA, I can find it for you if you want.

Gheb said his reasoning matches up with Zen's.

(yes, I actually read the thread and remember those posts)

Are you implying your reasoning is a carbon copy of theirs?

 

[Hard Lemonade]

J baby, do me a favor. Tell me why I shouldn't lynch you and tell me why you want Kuzzy lynched.

 

[#HBC | J]

Because Zen actually knows how to play this game he explained his read on me ages ago. Its in one of his earlier posts during my V/LA, I can find it for you if you want.

Gheb said his reasoning matches up with Zen's.

(yes, I actually read the thread and remember those posts)

Are you implying your reasoning is a carbon copy of theirs?

Nope not a carbon copy. Are you honestly forgetting all the times I rebutted you? Zen's post was the kicker for me, basically by him coming into the game and his post made me realize I was being an idiot and letting scum disappear based of a trivial notion I had in my mind. I also realized you aren't Asdioh and a stronger player so the same trick won't work on you. Actually I have a question now that you speak of it, let's bring up Zen's post.

With regards to my Kuz vote:

I felt that Kuz' push on J was pretty fake, like he was simply trying to push for J on whatever he could find, not that he was actually looking for scum. He has gotten very defensive and has over reacted a lot to to J's posts. His #40 was an example of this. I also dislike how safe he feels calling people town. The game had barely gotten anywhere and in Kuz' #70 he claims Tiger and Tandora to be town out of no where. He does this later on with Beat as well. I don't feel that he is actually looking for scum, but alread knows who is scum and who is town.

Why haven't you refuted/defended yourself against Zen/Gheb but you have ample amount of time to quibble over small details when it comes to me and back then you also responded to EVERY post I made.

Why do you keep sidestepping the actual question and going off on your own little tangents? You thought I was town before I went V/LA, you thought I was scum when I came back from V/LA. I didn't post anything inbetween. I want to know WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND. I am not saying you CAN'T change your mind, but I am curious as to WHAT CHANGED IT.

Can someone explain to me why J isn't dead yet?

Why I'm not dead? Because people actually see I am town and realize you don't have a compelling case.

Above part was answer above.

J baby, do me a favor. Tell me why I shouldn't lynch you and tell me why you want Kuzzy lynched.

You don't wanna lynch me Ryker duder because I'm town and look at Zen's post quoted in this post. It has a basic outline as to why the sensible people think Kuzi is scum. Also, that post you are questioning, you don't have to post to be held responsible for past actions.

 

[Tandora]

Because Zen actually knows how to play this game he explained his read on me ages ago.

Zen also said J is town. How does that stand with you?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nope not a carbon copy. Are you honestly forgetting all the times I rebutted you? Zen's post was the kicker for me, basically by him coming into the game and his post made me realize I was being an idiot and letting scum disappear based of a trivial notion I had in my mind. I also realized you aren't Asdioh and a stronger player so the same trick won't work on you. Actually I have a question now that you speak of it, let's bring up Zen's post.

In the first sentence you say Zen's posts made you realized you were basing your town read off meta. In the second you are saying you just faked your town read on me as a trick to achieve god knows what. Which is it? Do either of those paths really match up with your reasoning for calling me town?

By the by, Kuzi's the only one to present a case on me and has been the only one to continuely pressure me while brining up points. Hence why the only person on my wagon that has the respect to call me scum for a good reason. ^_^

Glyph/JTB can die. HL can die if they don't come back. Kuzi can live till LYLO with Beat and maybe Tiger. Gheb/Tanny I need to look at more.

Why haven't you refuted/defended yourself against Zen/Gheb but you have ample amount of time to quibble over small details when it comes to me and back then you also responded to EVERY post I made.

Gheb hasn't done jack anything to attack me except saying "kuz u so scum y" and commenting that his reasoning matches up with Zen's.

Had my answer to his post in my original large one but that got accidentally deleted and when I remade it I forgot to include my response. I'll respond to it shortly.

Why I'm not dead? Because people actually see I am town and realize you don't have a compelling case.

Rhetorical, question was rhetorical. But at least I didn't have to pull teeth to make you answer it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Tanny, we are not lynching Tiger. We are lynching one of myself or Kuzi apparantly since Kuzi wants to make it that type of ultimatum.

So, who will you be voting? Your bestie or your husband? Quite the dilemna isn't it.

 

[Tandora]

J baby, do me a favor. Tell me why I shouldn't lynch you and tell me why you want Kuzzy lynched.

Why don't you do ME a favor and give us some stances or thoughts instead of riding the J vs. Kuz debate?

Seriously, give us some content. I know all your heads are full of opinions, so why are you coasting by instigating J and Kuz vs each other?

You tell us why you want J lynched and why Kuz shouldn't be since that is implied what your stance is from your question.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Tanny, we are not lynching Tiger. We are lynching one of myself or Kuzi apparantly since Kuzi wants to make it that type of ultimatum.

So, who will you be voting? Your bestie or your husband? Quite the dilemna isn't it.

@Bold: Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said anything of the sort.

 

[#HBC | J]

Rushing out the door lol.

In the first sentence you say Zen's posts made you realized you were basing your town read off meta. In the second you are saying you just faked your town read on me as a trick to achieve god knows what. Which is it? Do either of those paths really match up with your reasoning for calling me town?

I'll get to this with pizza in a bit. ^^"

Gheb hasn't done jack anything to attack me except saying "kuz u so scum y" and commenting that his reasoning matches up with Zen's.

Had my answer to his post in my original large one but that got accidentally deleted and when I remade it I forgot to include my response. I'll respond to it shortly.

I'm gonna go out for pizza and come back to hopefully see your response. =D Thanks Kuzi-kuz.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Zen also said J is town. How does that stand with you?

What do you mean?

I like Zen because he's the first person I've seen approach this thread with a level head and I agree with many of his reads (all of 293, actually). How he still has a town read on J, though, I havn't the slightest.

Just because Zen thinks he's town doesn't mean I do.

 

[Tandora]

Tanny, we are not lynching Tiger. We are lynching one of myself or Kuzi apparantly since Kuzi wants to make it that type of ultimatum.

So, who will you be voting? Your bestie or your husband? Quite the dilemna isn't it.

By vote count, we are more likely to get you, me or Tiger as the lynch since all three of us currently hold 2 votes on us. You're the only one currently voting for Kuz. So realistically a vote against any of the three I mentioned is gonna tip more than anything.

And this is the most bizarre AtE I've ever seen.

I feel like you're pushing me to vote Kuz more on my out of game relationship more than using anything in game as proof. It sits wrong with me.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't know why but I got into an extremely good mood all of a sudden. I really love the way this game is going so far haha.

In the first sentence you say Zen's posts made you realized you were basing your town read off meta. In the second you are saying you just faked your town read on me as a trick to achieve god knows what. Which is it? Do either of those paths really match up with your reasoning for calling me town?

Meta? I did say I thought I was getting flustered town-kuzi but that wasn't meta since I can't really apply meta to you since you switch it up a lot and confuzzle me lol. Also the Asdioh-trick as I'll call it wasn't me calling you town but the pushing I was doing. So the answer is neither. =D

@Bold: Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said anything of the sort.

Kuzi, let's come to realization here. You are gonna push me till I am dead, and I am gonna be doing the same to you. You are the second most active now besides myself pushing your stuff. I am pushing my stuff being the most active. We both can move people's votes. Thus making it an ultimatum where people are gonna have to choose sides between the two of us to get lynched. We aren't gonna be letting go any time soon (well I'm not idk about you) so the lynch will boil down to me or yourself.

By vote count, we are more likely to get you, me or Tiger as the lynch since all three of us currently hold 2 votes on us. You're the only one currently voting for Kuz. So realistically a vote against any of the three I mentioned is gonna tip more than anything.

And this is the most bizarre AtE I've ever seen.

I feel like you're pushing me to vote Kuz more on my out of game relationship more than using anything in game as proof. It sits wrong with me.

Oh Tanny my dear I'm not playing you like that. That's flithy and dirty to play like that. I was more or less asking you in a weird way to stop fence sitting between Kuzi and Myself and tell me who you would you vote for if it boiled down to it.

Also Tanny, votes are subject to change if you are just going by that especially considering the game's size.

 

[Hard Lemonade]

Why don't you do ME a favor and give us some stances or thoughts instead of riding the J vs. Kuz debate?

Seriously, give us some content. I know all your heads are full of opinions, so why are you coasting by instigating J and Kuz vs each other?

You tell us why you want J lynched and why Kuz shouldn't be since that is implied what your stance is from your question.

No babe. Can't do that at this moment. You have the stances I've posted already and I legit HAVE NOT READ THIS THREAD SINCE MY LAST POST! I'm getting ready to go to Disney World today and I've got a **** ton to do before I leave tomorrow. You're lucky I'm posting at all. Reading the thread is not a realistic option right now, so, no, I'm not full of content right now which is why I'm asking about this argument because it's been going on since I last read. When I left off, I thought it was TvT and that it was moronic and we should look elsewhere. You want to know where I am right now? I still want to lynch you and I also want to lynch Gheb, but that's based off of dated information that I would act off of if I had to. Now, in my situation what the hell would you do? EE is V/LA and Adum is sick and V/LA. You're one person who has no idea what to do and replacing out isn't going to happen. Solution?

 

[#HBC | J]

It's probably best to leave HL till another time. ~.~

 

[Hard Lemonade]

Why are you persisting in keeping the focus on the argument between you and Kuz? You scum? Don't change my TvT read.

I don't need you redirecting away from me, anyway. I'm perfectly capable of answering people and gathering information, but blanket statements from Tandora made to accuse rather than get an answer aren't going to fly.

 

[#HBC | J]

HL, if you have that much of a problem with Tanny you should probably vote her before you go to V/LA.

And that wasn't to direct it back to myself/Kuzi because I honestly don't see the point in pressuring you because we gain nothing from your lynch lol. Just like if we lynched Gheb or Tiger. We get nothing. Kindof the same with Glyph since he only interacts with the object of his love life but I digress.