KSSU: Revenge of Meta Knight Mafia - Game Over! Has Dreamland been conquered!?

[#HBC | J]

Also @ Kuzi. I don't like how you responded to Gheb's post. Another thing is Gheb already said his reasoning for why he thinks you are scum and he isn't gonna reiterate himself easily.

I'm meh on your 398 because most of it I know have to wait for Zen to respond to it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Also @ Kuzi. I don't like how you responded to Gheb's post. Another thing is Gheb already said his reasoning for why he thinks you are scum and he isn't gonna reiterate himself easily.

I'm meh on your 398 because most of it I know have to wait for Zen to respond to it.

All he has said is that he agrees with what Zen said in the post he brought up and that he thinks my push on you is scummy. He has not gone into any detail about what areas or sections he doesn't agree with but has just summarily said its bad and that its SIFOM.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuzi, have you ever played with Gheb before? That's what you are gonna get regardless of how much you ask him. He's given you what he wants to give you and that's that.

Though what he has given is ample and sufficient so I see no reasoning to press the matter from my PoV.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, have you ever played with Gheb before? That's what you are gonna get regardless of how much you ask him. He's given you what he wants to give you and that's that.

Though what he has given is ample and sufficient so I see no reasoning to press the matter from my PoV.

Why are you speaking for Gheb? He's more than capable of responding for himself.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well alright then, can't say I tried.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@JTB: Do you still think Tiger is scum? Stuff in 371 as well, when you get the chance.

@Tandora and Tiger: Thoughts on Gheb.

 

[#HBC | J]

I have a baaaad premonition about this game for some weird reason about two people and what might happen.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You going to elaborate on that (ohi ranmaru)?

 

[#HBC | J]

You going to elaborate on that (ohi ranmaru)?

Heck to the no. Plus I'm gonna keep this card close.

Ran? Was he viewing or were you talking to me?

 

[#HBC | J]

Dag on it, just got it.

Man I hate myself sometimes.

 

[th3kuzinator]

/baited breath

and lol

 

[Xivii]

Unvote; Vote: Kuz

 

[Xivii]

Oh hey Zen, thought you were V/LA.

Now that you're here, can you give me your current read on Tandora and Glyph?

Zen, comment on Kuzi's recent activity posts.

I could go for an extension maybe considering Gheb/JTB/Tiger/HL are non-presences. Glyph isn't doing much then there's J/Kuzi/Zen/Tanny and even if we all agreed to lynch someone we all don't have the votes.

Do you guys not know what 'Limited Access' means?

@J: What do you want me to comment on?

@Zen

Still kind of have my issues trusting you based on your player slot. Now you've also voted Glyph because "nobody should play that way". Care to explain if you think he's actually scum and why? It looks more like the kind of opportunity that a scumbag would immediately jump at with little consequences because nobody can really hold it against him considering how ******** Glyph's been playing.

I can't say if Glyph is scum or town because he is refusing to play the game. I don't want someone like that in the game. I'd lynch him simply on policy because there's no way to read him. I voted him for two reasons. One for pressure and two to see how the wagon built up. I was hoping that if Glyph realized he would actually be lynched, he would answer my questions. I still prefer a Kuz lynch.

Completely forgot about responding to this...



Could you bring up specific quotes where you thought my push was fake and where I was just grasping at whatever I could find? You say I overreacted to alot of J's posts, yet you only give on example. I'll give you that 40 was indeed a bit defensive, but I didn't like J just accepting Gheb's statement when neither had explained to me why I was incorrect.

As for me calling players town, I liked things they had posted and had no problem voicing that I thought they were town. I like pseudo-clearing players until I find evidence suggesting otherwise upon where I re-evaluate my reads. I explained my reasoning for why I found Tiger and Tandora town at that point and I also explained in my catchup post why my read on Tandora and Glyph shifted.

64:

I was curious about the intent behind the post and I was satisfied with her answer. I wasn't contorting what she said in the slightest. The bolded is an attempt to phrase it in such a way to make my questioning look malicious. Reaching.

Feeling pretty cozy on here.

#69:

Cute.

Feel free not to even address it and dismiss it all with 5 words (which are all false).

More J votes.

#73:

Did that question end with a question mark? It did not.

Who's trying to belittle their opponent now? Summarily dismiss its caliber but don't actually refute it. Way to go.

PS: You're not making me mad btw.

None of these seemed real to me. You're not looking for scum tells, but instead just turning what J points at you back at him. You're also not even considering anything J says from the town perspective. Every single thing he posts, you call out as being a part of his scumminess. It's also like you're trying to put on a show, ie convince everyone else. Your #73 is very good example of this. You're attempting to deflect everything he says onto him. During this whole argument, you constantly accuse J of being scum, but you don't make a single case on him. Your original read supposedly came from your meta on J, but you haven't shown how any of what he has posted matches up to his scum play. You seem so convinced that J is scum yet you're putting so much time into the little back and forths like you have to some how prove everything he says is a scum statement. J had at least shown that he was actually thinking about your alignment. This is shown from his flip-floppyness. You simply claimed him to be scum and began to argue. You had already shown a set belief in J being scum by post #74. This is shown by the fact that you were "pseudo-clearing" Glyph by the sole fact that he had a scum read on J.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Can't tell if Zen is playing different as a reaction to his performances in recent games or because of a different alignment but he's more talky now. Not that I necessarily dislike it, I need to be careful about his town- and scum-meta here.

If you "policy lynch" Glyph that's one thing that I don't necessarily agree with. But making it the center of discussion leads to nothing because it's probably just a matter of agreeing or not agreeing. Not much can be gained out of discussing that so let's just hope that Glyph comes back and actually plays this game. I guess I can be persuaded to lynch him if needed be but then again a wagon that consisted of Kuz, Tandora and Zen isn't appealing in the slightest.

 

[Tandora]

I guess I can be persuaded to lynch him if needed be but then again a wagon that consisted of Kuz, Tandora and Zen isn't appealing in the slightest.

Screw you Gheb. That's a terrible reason to not vote for someone. Under that logic you shouldn't even play a game with the three of us in a game this small because you could never join a wagon.

I don't like how you are trying to use our votes are a reason you cannot put your own down.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you serious? I explicitly stated that I don't think Glyph to be scum. And just because I greatly distrust all three of you in this game doesn't mean I don't join a wagon with you on principle. Glyph simply isn't the play.

 

[th3kuzinator]

None of those posts you brought up make any sense wrt your argument.

None of these seemed real to me. You're not looking for scum tells, but instead just turning what J points at you back at him. You're also not even considering anything J says from the town perspective.

From her one line you tried to contort it to make it look bad of her to say something. I didn't like it. You were looking for something in that post to call out as scummy.

I was curious about the intent behind the post and I was satisfied with her answer. I wasn't contorting what she said in the slightest. The bolded is an attempt to phrase it in such a way to make my questioning look malicious. Reaching.

Feeling pretty cozy on here.

J does the same thing you are accusing me of. Tandora makes a questionable comment and I ask her about it. J calls that move "looking for something in that post to call out as scummy" instead of scumhunting. They are two sides to the same coin and when J assumed and stated the former as a way to attack me I called him out on it. How does that not seem real to you?

Fluffy, Contradicting, Ad-Hominems, Contorting, and Denial.

#64 in a nut-shell.

Cute.

Feel free not to even address it and dismiss it all with 5 words (which are all false).

More J votes.

We already went over this in thread but I brought up some points against him in the beginning of 64

You're the one who is reaching now, not me. I honestly don't see where you are coming up with me trying to discredit you. I am not belittling you or your playstyle to refute your points, I am just refuting them. I never said that your earlier post this game was a scum-tell, it just reminded me of scumJ meta. Gheb told me I was reaching with the point, and I found the quote from your other game that it reminded me of. Anyone with half a brain would have recognized that it was certainly a weak argument and more an observation than anything else, hence why I didn't use it as a basis for a push. I also don't see how me highlighting that specific part of the quote was an attempt to intimidate you.

and he dismissed them with 5 words. If he's not going to respond to stuff I bring up am I just supposed to let it go? What town motive could he have to summarily dismiss my points other than to be haughty? Don't see how you think these post are fake.

Why do you have to ask for votes? If people agree with you, they will vote me in due time. Lol.

And nah, I adressed your #64 adequately. It was a good response to the caliber of that post. ^.^

Did that question end with a question mark? It did not.

Who's trying to belittle their opponent now? Summarily dismiss its caliber but don't actually refute it. Way to go.

PS: You're not making me mad btw.

J claims he addressed my 64 while in reality all he did was list five words and then claim that the caliber of the post was below his standards. It's the exact same thing he claimed I was doing earlier, attacking his credibility. Again, don't see the townie intent here other than just to be arrogant.

Every single thing he posts, you call out as being a part of his scumminess.

Nope. I just call it how I see it. If I see something questionable, I'll be sure as hell to let everyone know about it.

It's also like you're trying to put on a show, ie convince everyone else. Your #73 is very good example of this. You're attempting to deflect everything he says onto him.

73 is a terrible example of this. Instead of responding to the top of my 64, J tries to make the argument that the caliber of the post was insufficient, hence deflecting what I said to him back at me.

During this whole argument, you constantly accuse J of being scum, but you don't make a single case on him. Your original read supposedly came from your meta on J, but you haven't shown how any of what he has posted matches up to his scum play.

You honestly think that my entire argument is based off of scumJ meta? The thing that got me on the wagon wasn't even scumJ meta. The only time I even went there was the first post that glyph brought up, and I didn't even push him for it as it was just meta. J has been playing scummy for a whole arsenal of different reasons, which I've already detailed throughout the thread. Whether it matches up perfectly with his scum meta is irrelevant.

You seem so convinced that J is scum yet you're putting so much time into the little back and forths like you have to some how prove everything he says is a scum statement.

Repetition of what you said before. I have not called everything he has done a scum statement and saying so is blatantly false.

J had at least shown that he was actually thinking about your alignment. This is shown from his flip-floppyness.

I understand where you're coming from with this one, as I myself have flipped reads before. The thing that I didn't like about this instance, however, is that he went from a "live till lylo" stance to a "he's scum and should die first" stance all during the course of my V/LA where I had not posted once. That didn't look like him re-evaluating his read but more like him banking off the opinions of other players (you) who expressed they had a similar read.

You simply claimed him to be scum and began to argue. You had already shown a set belief in J being scum by post #74. This is shown by the fact that you were "pseudo-clearing" Glyph by the sole fact that he had a scum read on J.

If by "set belief" you mean scum read, then yes I did. The read was certainly not set in stone, but nothing J produced afterward during our back and forth convinced me otherwise. Again, I had no problem stating why I thought Glyph was town at that instance and I have since explained why that read has changed (and why my one on J hasn't).

 

[th3kuzinator]

Are you serious? I explicitly stated that I don't think Glyph to be scum. And just because I greatly distrust all three of you in this game doesn't mean I don't join a wagon with you on principle. Glyph simply isn't the play.

This is what you've said in relation to Glyph's alignment.

Either you're the most blatant scumbag ever or you're missing like everything.

Which isn't explicitly stating anything.

Oh and btw, I'm not even on the Glyph wagon. That's Tiger.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But I don't trust Tiger either *shrug*

And I guess the concept of simple logic is foreign to certain people. If I say "you're either scum or dumb" but end up voting for somebody else / advocate other people's lynches it shouldn't be that hard to see that I don't think he's scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Who do you trust then? In these last few pages you've already expressed distrust for over half the cast.

And I guess concept of word definitions is foreign to certain people. You're saying there that you implied something while above you said you explicitly stated you didn't believe he was scum.

 

[Gova]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Who do you trust then?

Not your business.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuzi, why does most of your response to Zen just commenting on every single point he made, deflection back onto myself, and you just saying "No." to a lot of what he says?

Also I've finalized one of my reads.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, why does most of your response to Zen just commenting on every single point he made, deflection back onto myself, and you just saying "No." to a lot of what he says?

Also I've finalized one of my reads.

What?

Coherent sentences, please make them.

 

[#HBC | J]

Your response to Zen =

- Commenting on all points just cuz it seems.
- Deflection back onto J
- Saying "No." to alot of the points

Why?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Your response to Zen =

- Commenting on all points just cuz it seems.
- Deflection back onto J
- Saying "No." to alot of the points

Why?

Just cuz it seems ....?

All of his points were related to my interactions with you. To demonstrate why they are wrong I would have to talk about you. I don't know wtf you mean by deflection.

I never said "no" to a single one of his points. I called the ones that were wrong, false. The ones that had some merit I responded to in depth.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why do you chronically misrepresent my arguments, anyway?

 

[#HBC | J]

Ugh, you are making me bring up the points to actually show you.

None of those posts you brought up make any sense wrt your argument.

Saying just no to all his points.

J does the same thing you are accusing me of. Tandora makes a questionable comment and I ask her about it. J calls that move "looking for something in that post to call out as scummy" instead of scumhunting. They are two sides to the same coin and when J assumed and stated the former as a way to attack me I called him out on it. How does that not seem real to you?

Deflection back to J. "J does the same thing you are accusing me of." I mean really?

We already went over this in thread but I brought up some points against him in the beginning of 64

and he dismissed them with 5 words. If he's not going to respond to stuff I bring up am I just supposed to let it go? What town motive could he have to summarily dismiss my points other than to be haughty? Don't see how you think these post are fake.

J claims he addressed my 64 while in reality all he did was list five words and then claim that the caliber of the post was below his standards. It's the exact same thing he claimed I was doing earlier, attacking his credibility. Again, don't see the townie intent here other than just to be arrogant.

Trying to make the point go back to J.

Nope. I just call it how I see it. If I see something questionable, I'll be sure as hell to let everyone know about it.

Just saying "Nope."

73 is a terrible example of this. Instead of responding to the top of my 64, J tries to make the argument that the caliber of the post was insufficient, hence deflecting what I said to him back at me.

Goes back to saying it's J's fault and you hold no responsiblity, yet again deflection.

You honestly think that my entire argument is based off of scumJ meta? The thing that got me on the wagon wasn't even scumJ meta. The only time I even went there was the first post that glyph brought up, and I didn't even push him for it as it was just meta. J has been playing scummy for a whole arsenal of different reasons, which I've already detailed throughout the thread. Whether it matches up perfectly with his scum meta is irrelevant.

@Bolded/Italicized: Can you bullet them because I honestly don't remember why you are calling me scum besides everything I do is just so dag on scummilicious apparently.

Repetition of what you said before. I have not called everything he has done a scum statement and saying so is blatantly false.

Saying no again and just re-stating things. If you already said it, why say it again?

I understand where you're coming from with this one, as I myself have flipped reads before. The thing that I didn't like about this instance, however, is that he went from a "live till lylo" stance to a "he's scum and should die first" stance all during the course of my V/LA where I had not posted once. That didn't look like him re-evaluating his read but more like him banking off the opinions of other players (you) who expressed they had a similar read.

You go from agreeing with it to making it put back onto myself and bringing up that dumb point where you were V/LA.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuzi, now since Gheb has been more active, what is your current read of him?

 

[#HBC | J]

Wait Kuzi, you said something weird. This play matches up my scum-meta? If so how and why?

 

[Tandora]

Are you serious? I explicitly stated that I don't think Glyph to be scum. And just because I greatly distrust all three of you in this game doesn't mean I don't join a wagon with you on principle. Glyph simply isn't the play.

The quote I referenced clearly stated you could be persuaded but you didn't want to join a wagon with those three people. Now, you're backpedaling on that very clear statement.

And as far as I care, it's not a matter of if you trust me or anyone else. It's a matter of you voting because of your own investigative pursuits instead of trying to act like the make up of a wagon should influence your vote.

Are you saying you don't trust those three people because you think most of them are scum or because you think we're wrong? Give reasons instead of deflecting with vague bs.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Saying just no to all his points.

There is a large difference between saying just "no" and saying he's wrong and showing him why he is.

Deflection back to J. "J does the same thing you are accusing me of." I mean really?

Wtf is wrong with you sometimes? His entire accusation was that I am taking everything you say in a bad light. To show why he is wrong I explained the circumstances that led to that response. That wasn't about one upping you but showing why Zen is wrong.

Trying to make the point go back to J.

Same thing as above

Just saying "Nope."

Oh excuse me. Let me try to refute the sentence "every post you've made is calling J scum." You know its a false blanket statement and so do I. Proving him wrong would entail quoting every single post I didn't call you scum in, which is absolutely ridiculous.

Goes back to saying it's J's fault and you hold no responsiblity, yet again deflection.

Yet again arguing against Zen's point by refuting the reference he made to my post.

@Bolded/Italicized: Can you bullet them because I honestly don't remember why you are calling me scum besides everything I do is just so dag on scummilicious apparently.

Reread the thread, then.

Saying no again and just re-stating things. If you already said it, why say it again?

.........................................

If he brings it up again, I'm going to respond to it and tell him as such.

You go from agreeing with it to making it put back onto myself and bringing up that dumb point where you were V/LA.

I can see where Zen is coming from with that point, I never said I agreed with him. And for the 4th ****ing time, the his whole post was about our interactions so of course I am going to talk about why he is wrong through you.

/stupid

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuzi, why won't you just bullet the points to make it easier on all of us? I'm not the only one bringing into question why you are calling me scum, hence why I asked. Your reasonings have been obscure so fix that.

Also Zen does have a point in you have tried to use everything you could against me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, now since Gheb has been more active, what is your current read of him?

Still null.

Wait Kuzi, you said something weird. This play matches up my scum-meta? If so how and why?

I already stated in my large response that I'm not saying it does. I'm calling you out for other things and whether they line up with your scum meta is of no consequence to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, why won't you just bullet the points to make it easier on all of us? I'm not the only one bringing into question why you are calling me scum, hence why I asked. Your reasonings have been obscure so fix that.

Also Zen does have a point in you have tried to use everything you could against me.

I'm done with this conversation, if the bolded is your argument.

 

[#HBC | J]

Tunnely!

That's the word I've been trying to think of to describe the attacks on me all game. Goodness couldn't think of the word to save my life.

Kuzi, now tell me, who is another lynch besides myself? If you say one name I'm gonna be unhappy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you saying you don't trust those three people because you think most of them are scum or because you think we're wrong? Give reasons instead of deflecting with vague bs.

You know who I think is scum. Work from there.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm done with this conversation, if the bolded is your argument.

Where are your reasonings for Jscum and why he is a good lynch?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Tunnely!

That's the word I've been trying to think of to describe the attacks on me all game. Goodness couldn't think of the word to save my life.

Kuzi, now tell me, who is another lynch besides myself? If you say one name I'm gonna be unhappy.

You already know my stance on the other people I wouldn't mind dying.

 

[#HBC | J]

You aren't Gheb, you can't get away with being vague when questioned.

Is it still Tanny? How would you feel about a Gheb lynch if one would be pushed? Out of Tiger/JTB who would be the better lynch?

Then give me your reasons which you still haven't lol.