Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Go to the lab? Nawww i just learned through matches.
And ps1.
Lots of CP ps1 ;0
And ps1.
Lots of CP ps1 ;0
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Heartstring
Smash Legend
speaking of CP...
you guys gonna do that list of where you should and should not take people? i know the lucas boards did a similar thing
Vinylic.
Woke?
That's what the pika boards did.
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
I mean I only play on neutrals nowadays. You can pretty much take anyone to any neutral and do fine. Just wouldn't take Falco or Marth to BF, ICs or Diddy to FD.
pitskeyblade
Smash Lord
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
You are the MVD of MVDs
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Aside from Abe's typical profanity and trolling, which I don't care about because he's just annoying and a waste of space anyways (I cant hold all my anger in you know, and besides, he did use insulting profanity (and censor dodging) after all), you need to understand behind my reasoning. Think about it:
I was gathering MU data back in 2009-2010 iirc (on my own in that document of mine), we discussed a few MUs here, some still not completed, some not even discussed, and eventually, we just died out even when I was putting effort into getting data for us to discuss, and eventually expand upon on. So to me, I think I wasted my time trying to help.
You just have to understand that we just aren't capable of maintaining discussions about important things (with the exceptions to those that are busy with life). It's like we do discuss a bit of the important things for a while, go back to tourney/social chat talk for a while as well, and repeat.
To make it short, we aren't suited to being able to discuss things for long periods of time, and are forced to repeat ourselves. I actually wouldn't mind if there was some improvements, but I just don't think we're up to that yet, which is also why I say MUs are important.
Speaking of which, we haven't discussed Team Chemistry with Pit (and his partner) in a long time, which was one of my projects as well that I had to cancel because of lack of help. It's the same thing with our other projects really.
EDIT: for G~P, part of my 1v1 MU data plan was to include possible stage CPs/bans for each character Pit is fighting against, which also included reasons why to CP/ban said stage. Unfortunately, I felt I wasn't able to continue my project for many reasons.
I was gathering MU data back in 2009-2010 iirc (on my own in that document of mine), we discussed a few MUs here, some still not completed, some not even discussed, and eventually, we just died out even when I was putting effort into getting data for us to discuss, and eventually expand upon on. So to me, I think I wasted my time trying to help.
You just have to understand that we just aren't capable of maintaining discussions about important things (with the exceptions to those that are busy with life). It's like we do discuss a bit of the important things for a while, go back to tourney/social chat talk for a while as well, and repeat.
To make it short, we aren't suited to being able to discuss things for long periods of time, and are forced to repeat ourselves. I actually wouldn't mind if there was some improvements, but I just don't think we're up to that yet, which is also why I say MUs are important.
Speaking of which, we haven't discussed Team Chemistry with Pit (and his partner) in a long time, which was one of my projects as well that I had to cancel because of lack of help. It's the same thing with our other projects really.
EDIT: for G~P, part of my 1v1 MU data plan was to include possible stage CPs/bans for each character Pit is fighting against, which also included reasons why to CP/ban said stage. Unfortunately, I felt I wasn't able to continue my project for many reasons.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
And that includes no stupid 1-sentence garbage from randoms. I go with long explanations and details... or actually useful MU vids, and to compare, I do watch some US, JP, and other regional vids of the MUs to see what they do and compare.
I'm not a random so check yourself before you wreck yourself brah, its a great team, I've spoken of it.before, you don't like.snake so why should.I go into.detail for you
Inb4ihateyouandiamaheartlesssoulessmaleblahblahapstuff
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Well, if you can type a 5-paragraph explanation with details, chemistry (team tricks, etc.), the roles for Pit and Snake in said team (like racking damage, KO'er, support), their best/worst stages, characters that the team (or individually, aka, MUs) are good/bad against, and as an optional, provide a vid of a Pit+Snake team in action, then I'll take your word for it. But this 1-sentence thing isn't gonna cut it.
Think you can do it?
Think you can do it?
It doesn't take 5 paragraphs to do that tbh, I can literally write how the team works in.a few lines its VERY simple, and super effective. Ask fyre doe since pit is the backbone of that team, snake just has five lives and does snake stuff
It doesn't take 5 paragraphs to do that tbh, I can literally write how the team works in.a few lines its VERY simple, and super effective. Ask fyre doe since pit is the backbone of that team, snake just has five lives and does snake stuff
Oh and using wings when snake up tilts is broken, free jab lock to death, or you can up tilt.to.wings infinite.times in a 2v1
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Need more info and details. This 1-line thing is just not so good to me.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Well where is she...
Prolly NC lol Idk tbh, I would but I'm on the way home from work and I am very tired
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
I'm still telling you a lot of details can be very helpful to some. It's why I do it.
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
In my honest opinion, Pit is stronger as a singles character than a doubles character. Pit in doubles is like Falco in doubles to me, yeah he's a good character but he doesn't really work with anyone. What MVD describes as the Pit+Snake team is pretty much Pit planks while Snake does 2v1 and takes stocks from Pit when he dies. That isn't teamwork tbh and their team had some success really only because MVD is a beast and Snake can handle himself in a 2v1. They didn't work together, Snake just had more than 3 stocks. If Pit were to lose stocks before snake then the whole strategy would be blown up.
All I'm saying is Pit has more potential in singles than in doubles. Pit is a great character and in the right hands will still be formidable in doubles gameplay, but Pit + any character doesn't really make one think "Wow that's a great doubles team" like Kirby/MK + Snake (Omnigay), ZSS + Gaw/Ness (Buckets/Healing + Stun Gun Stuff), Double Metaknight (Plain Broken), ESAM + Mekos, etc
All I'm saying is Pit has more potential in singles than in doubles. Pit is a great character and in the right hands will still be formidable in doubles gameplay, but Pit + any character doesn't really make one think "Wow that's a great doubles team" like Kirby/MK + Snake (Omnigay), ZSS + Gaw/Ness (Buckets/Healing + Stun Gun Stuff), Double Metaknight (Plain Broken), ESAM + Mekos, etc
Not true, and pit saving snake is already him doing his part, teams isn't about team combos or any **** like that, its simply two individuals helping one another shine
And.arrows are ****ing ******** in teams, like there is a reason we always got top 4 in teams.down here
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
I really didnt read much of that.
I didn't say I'd focus on Pit in dubs. That was just a side project for dubs players, outta my determination.
Singles are more important, but it doesn't hurt for a bit of variety. That's why I do that.
I didn't say I'd focus on Pit in dubs. That was just a side project for dubs players, outta my determination.
Singles are more important, but it doesn't hurt for a bit of variety. That's why I do that.
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Can you honestly name more than 4 team threats in FL? Like I can only think of Riddle/Shaky, Esam/whoever, Seibrik/whoever, and you guys. I guess ryo and whoever, but like I really don't see Pit and Snake being a competent team. You guys probably topped because you're both good players and have teamed multiple times so you work well together player-wise. You're right about arrows being really good in teams though, can make combos and save your partner, but can also get your partner killed if you slip up once.
HRNUT and gdx? Kyon and whoever, there are a lot of good teams here lol nothing is easy down here
Vinylic.
Woke?
I wanna be a threat too. But right now, I'm reading Mirai Nikki. Which is an amazing manga somehow since I got so into it after two chapters. 
I also lol'd @ pit saving snake. Yeah for helping him out on ground, but not sure if you can on air/recovering while dealing with two opponents.
I also lol'd @ pit saving snake. Yeah for helping him out on ground, but not sure if you can on air/recovering while dealing with two opponents.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
T'is a social
>ask people to write long description
>someone does it
>doesnt read it properly
nice one >.<
And as for the CP thing, it surely cant be that hard to quickly theorcraft what stages are good and which are bad vs certain characters
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
It's called details and high-quality information. I didn't like that because it wasn't giving the information that I was looking for. And I have the feeling that you're just going to troll me on purpose, especially just because I love plenty of details and information about MUs. I don't like that.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
But how can you be sure it wasnt giving you the info you wanted if you didnt read it?
And I'm no stranger to in depth info. just sayin'
Also its not trolling this time, it's an actual intellectual challenge
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Oh I read it. It just wasn't good enough, and they went from me wanting Pit+Snake team info to saying Pit really isn't good in teams at all and just considering Pit to be only a stock tank for relatively any character, to talking about Pit just being better in singles (even though he is). That isn't what I want.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Pit can also Wing refresh and footstool snake while he's in cypher and snake will regain the cypher without being footstoold XD
Also pit/ike pit/wario pit/marth and pit/snake are godlike and can compete with most top team comps.
Also pit/ike pit/wario pit/marth and pit/snake are godlike and can compete with most top team comps.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Luckay, I think you are underestimating Pit in doubles. He is a good character in doubles, don't let your experiences try to say someone else's experience isn't worthy(not that you said that exactly). Pit+G&W is really good too, and probably Pit+Lucario and Pit+Oli can be strong too. That's at least 7 different combinations of great teams for Pit. He's better in doubles than you think, you just need to get better @ doubles yourself and have a good teammmate/combination.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
well I already knew ike was much better in teams than in singles. But how do they compliment eachother?
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Kinda hard to explain HOW it works. It's just the constant harass and safety/team fighting/combos.
Both characters throws leads to something dumb for the other.
Basic ike zoning/spacing is extremely easy to arrow and around and hit the enemy while he's doing it. Arrows+ike pressure is dumb as hell.
It's a team that has a very easy time harassing offstage and separating teams to proceed to destroy the other.
And pit can save ike relatively well.
Both characters throws leads to something dumb for the other.
Basic ike zoning/spacing is extremely easy to arrow and around and hit the enemy while he's doing it. Arrows+ike pressure is dumb as hell.
It's a team that has a very easy time harassing offstage and separating teams to proceed to destroy the other.
And pit can save ike relatively well.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Makes sense, Ike's throws are great in doubles and pits are pretty stupid at lower percents too (pit fthrow> pit fsmash> ike anything lol, or perhaps ike bthrow> ike DA > Pit anything)
Of course the pit in question needs to be in a spot that means he wont get in the way of ikes ****off giant hitboxes.
As for edgeguarding, pit can dither about on the ledge/offstage and stop low recoveries while ike can deny high recoveries
and pit and ike can save eachother, pit saving ike from edgeguarding (dat dair) and ike saving pit from unwanted pressure situations and disrupting everything with dash attack XD
Both and if the roles are played right both will live for forever, with pit just not getting too much into the fray and ike just being fat
pitskeyblade
Smash Lord
It doesn't take 5 paragraphs to do that tbh, I can literally write how the team works in.a few lines its VERY simple, and super effective. Ask fyre doe since pit is the backbone of that team, snake just has five lives and does snake stuff
Oh and using wings when snake up tilts is broken, free jab lock to death, or you can up tilt.to.wings infinite.times in a 2v1
Jesse speaks the truth. For one match, Jesse had literally 5 stocks to wreck people with. And with Jesse's DI, he maxed out the use of each one. I just plankd and shot arrows when he was getting gangbanged lol.Not true, and pit saving snake is already him doing his part, teams isn't about team combos or any **** like that, its simply two individuals helping one another shine
And.arrows are ****ing ******** in teams, like there is a reason we always got top 4 in teams.down here
DJ Arcatek
Smash Champion
Falco works pretty well with Meta Knight
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Not underestimating, being realistic. Still you can say I'm doing that while I can say you're just wishful thinking and naive. Not basing what I say off of my own tournament experiences, I don't know where that assumption came from. Pit greatest doubles potential is in mid tier doubles. But you guys can discuss it if you want, idc. Just putting out what I think.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
This is like saying pearl harbour was good because It can go with guile's theme. No matter how bad or horrible something is in it's respective scenario, that thing (thing being guiles theme or MK) will still go with itFalco works pretty well with Meta Knight