KOS-MOS Returning to Battle: DLC Season 2.

[GolisoPower]

Essentially, yes. I commissioned her and even promoted her during the first half of the year. Her mod is a contingency plan in case the real deal doesn't make it into the game as a playable character. I'm checking to see how many Xenosaga-related Smash videos get taken down by Nintendo. If it's frequent enough and none of the vids can be reposted, then we might have some evidence in her favor.

The only instance I can remember of Smash content that somehow was linked to YouTube takedowns was that one Megalovania remix for the Sans Mii Costume, and even then, that seems like a stretch. But if Nintendo has been taking down more Xenosaga videos than just that mod vid, then that means great news for us!

 

[TDDolphin]

Soooooo did anyone else read that TheGamer article about Sakurai not seeing that Smash won an award at the Game Awards until after the show because he was busy working? That might be good news, and it could explain why there wasn't a new Smash reveal at the Game Awards.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Soooooo did anyone else read that TheGamer article about Sakurai not seeing that Smash won an award at the Game Awards until after the show because he was busy working? That might be good news, and it could explain why there wasn't a new Smash reveal at the Game Awards.

Sakurai didn't appear at the 2018 Game Awards either despite Joker's reveal being there (there was a good chance he was working on Smash DLC then too), so I don't think his attendance really clues anyone in to anything about why there was or was not a reveal at this years' TGAs.

Coming by to voice some support for KOS-MOS as well in my first post in this thread. I've continually warmed up more and more to her, so I hope we see her by the end of Ultimate's life cycle. She's by far the most interesting Xeno related character in my eyes.

 

[EarlTamm]

I have lurked here for quite some time since KOS-MOS became apart of the discussion, but have never actually voiced my support here up until now. I think she is neat, and the variety of weapons could make for a good moveset. I do hope she gets in down the line for Ultimate, but I am not so sure that she is fighter 5. But, I guess that is kinda the case for all the characters.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I have lurked here for quite some time since KOS-MOS became apart of the discussion, but have never actually voiced my support here up until now. I think she is neat, and the variety of weapons could make for a good moveset. I do hope she gets in down the line for Ultimate, but I am not so sure that she is fighter 5. But, I guess that is kinda the case for all the characters.

I always thought KOS-MOS made more sense as a post pass fighter personally. It would be nice to give her the full treatment I imagine for the bigger fans of Xenosaga, but she can also totally work as her own thing just bringing some music in too and the more recent pushes seem more focused on KOS-MOS herself than Xenosaga as a series since Xenosaga is so far out of reach right now due to availability.

 

[EarlTamm]

I always thought KOS-MOS made more sense as a post pass fighter personally. It would be nice to give her the full treatment I imagine for the bigger fans of Xenosaga, but she can also totally work as her own thing just bringing some music in too and the more recent pushes seem more focused on KOS-MOS herself than Xenosaga as a series since Xenosaga is so far out of reach right now due to availability.

That makes sense. If post pass characters are limited on things and are not able to get content like stages, that would make sense for KOS-MOS in multiple ways. Not only from the perspective of them pushing her on a more individual basis rather than series wide one, but pushing other NAMCO characters the same way for Smash may be a bit awkward in comparison.

I would still rather there be more if possible. Not only because the representation is nice, but not having Xenosaga stage come with KOS-MOS would mean the only NAMCO stage representation we got is still just Pac-Land.

 

[Smasherfan88]

That makes sense. If post pass characters are limited on things and are not able to get content like stages, that would make sense for KOS-MOS in multiple ways. Not only from the perspective of them pushing her on a more individual basis rather than series wide one, but pushing other NAMCO characters the same way for Smash may be a bit awkward in comparison.

I would still rather there be more if possible. Not only because the representation is nice, but not having Xenosaga stage come with KOS-MOS would mean the only NAMCO stage representation we got is still just Pac-Land.

As I have explained, /many/, /many/ times. There is no valid reason to believe that newcomers via DLC will come without stages and music. Even back during the Smash 4 days they were and we got stages and music brought back or new ones entirely to make up for veterans being DLC in that game.

They will be doing Stages and Music tracks for every character in the post-pass DLC. Just how it is for Smash Bros. in general, every newcomer brings in new stages and music from their series. Only exception to this is R.O.B. like how he's an exception to another rule because he's a toy, though as I've said a proper Gyromite stage would be nice. Even then though he still brought in some music. Then in Melee the only exception was Marth and Roy due to their stage being cut due to Melee's strict short development time, if it didn't have that Melee would have that stage, a non-clone Ganondorf, and probably bugs competitive players exploit being patched. etc. etc.

TLDR: Stop worrying about post-pass not bringing in new music and stages, they'll come with them.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

As I have explained, /many/, /many/ times. There is no valid reason to believe that newcomers via DLC will come without stages and music. Even back during the Smash 4 days they were and we got stages and music brought back or new ones entirely to make up for veterans being DLC in that game.

They will be doing Stages and Music tracks for every character in the post-pass DLC. Just how it is for Smash Bros. in general, every newcomer brings in new stages and music from their series. Only exception to this is R.O.B. like how he's an exception to another rule because he's a toy, though as I've said a proper Gyromite stage would be nice. Even then though he still brought in some music. Then in Melee the only exception was Marth and Roy due to their stage being cut due to Melee's strict short development time, if it didn't have that Melee would have that stage, a non-clone Ganondorf, and probably bugs competitive players exploit being patched. etc. etc.

TLDR: Stop worrying about post-pass not bringing in new music and stages, they'll come with them.

I certainly hope you're right and I really hope that the additional DLC is handled exactly like those in the Fighter's Pass have been. I love not only getting a new character to play as, but a treasure trove of music, Spirits, and a really cool stage added to the game. That said... I do think a bit of caution is warranted given that they only announced new fighters in that September Direct and we don't know any details about how future DLC will be handled. There are a few additional circumstances that also give me pause: The stage select screen doesn't have anything set up beyond the stage for Fighter's Pass #5, Individual DLC seems like a suspiciously meager column just for Piranha Plant, and they've also decided to stop making modes for the game despite deciding to continue character DLC.

None of those are death sentences to more stages mind you, and I would certainly expect new franchises to come with appropriate stages and music, but I've always been afraid we might see Nintendo just rest on characters in the post Fighter's Pass DLC, and that would limit the pool in a lot of disappointing ways for me personally. KOS-MOS is one that I can see being able to overcome that possibility since she can just share the Xenoblade content and add some new tracks like Corrin did in Smash 4. If anything, she's one of the few newcomers that can so easily transition between the "red carpet treatment" and "just the character," and I would think that to just be a good thing all around for her chances.

But I really, really want a proper second Fighter's Pass.

 

[TDDolphin]

As I have explained, /many/, /many/ times. There is no valid reason to believe that newcomers via DLC will come without stages and music. Even back during the Smash 4 days they were and we got stages and music brought back or new ones entirely to make up for veterans being DLC in that game.

They will be doing Stages and Music tracks for every character in the post-pass DLC. Just how it is for Smash Bros. in general, every newcomer brings in new stages and music from their series. Only exception to this is R.O.B. like how he's an exception to another rule because he's a toy, though as I've said a proper Gyromite stage would be nice. Even then though he still brought in some music. Then in Melee the only exception was Marth and Roy due to their stage being cut due to Melee's strict short development time, if it didn't have that Melee would have that stage, a non-clone Ganondorf, and probably bugs competitive players exploit being patched. etc. etc.

TLDR: Stop worrying about post-pass not bringing in new music and stages, they'll come with them.

Was Melee really meant to have a Fire Emblem stage?

I certainly hope you're right and I really hope that the additional DLC is handled exactly like those in the Fighter's Pass have been. I love not only getting a new character to play as, but a treasure trove of music, Spirits, and a really cool stage added to the game. That said... I do think a bit of caution is warranted given that they only announced new fighters in that September Direct and we don't know any details about how future DLC will be handled. There are a few additional circumstances that also give me pause: The stage select screen doesn't have anything set up beyond the stage for Fighter's Pass #5, Individual DLC seems like a suspiciously meager column just for Piranha Plant, and they've also decided to stop making modes for the game despite deciding to continue character DLC.

None of those are death sentences to more stages mind you, and I would certainly expect new franchises to come with appropriate stages and music, but I've always been afraid we might see Nintendo just rest on characters in the post Fighter's Pass DLC, and that would limit the pool in a lot of disappointing ways for me personally. KOS-MOS is one that I can see being able to overcome that possibility since she can just share the Xenoblade content and add some new tracks like Corrin did in Smash 4. If anything, she's one of the few newcomers that can so easily transition between the "red carpet treatment" and "just the character," and I would think that to just be a good thing all around for her chances.

But I really, really want a proper second Fighter's Pass.

I'm almost 100% sure we'll be getting a full Fighters Pass 2. Damn near every fighting game has at least a couple seasons worth of characters, stages and other DLC, and I think Nintendo saw how successful that model was and wants a piece of that pie.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I'm almost 100% sure we'll be getting a full Fighters Pass 2. Damn near every fighting game has at least a couple seasons worth of characters, stages and other DLC, and I think Nintendo saw how successful that model was and wants a piece of that pie.

Ah, I just can't really believe it until I see it. I was fairly pessimistic about post Pass DLC to begin with, and with how Nintendo has traditionally handled DLC, I'm just trying not to expect too much. They've rarely supported any title over a year with large content drops and they've actively missed opportunities to make the most of DLC too. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if Sakurai just said he was done and walked away at some point.

Like obviously, the Fighter's Pass has clearly been a huge success for Nintendo, as has Ultimate, but I also think Nintendo realizes they don't necessarily have to keep investing in Smash to keep making money off of it given the fact it will clearly continue to be an evergreen title for them. They've decided to go a little bit further with characters though, and that's a good sign. I'd personally love to see them keep building on Ultimate for another couple of years with more more content including Challenger Packs and maybe even some more DLC stages.

I just can't get too excited yet because I've burned myself before on this stuff haha. Just trying to exercise some restraint until we get confirmation of more details... which I certainly hope is soon.

 

[Deleted member]

Was Melee really meant to have a Fire Emblem stage?


I'm almost 100% sure we'll be getting a full Fighters Pass 2. Damn near every fighting game has at least a couple seasons worth of characters, stages and other DLC, and I think Nintendo saw how successful that model was and wants a piece of that pie.

The fire Emblem stage was supposed to based of Marth’s game, but it you can’t play in it in the debug.

 

[TDDolphin]

Ah, I just can't really believe it until I see it. I was fairly pessimistic about post Pass DLC to begin with, and with how Nintendo has traditionally handled DLC, I'm just trying not to expect too much. They've rarely supported any title over a year with large content drops and they've actively missed opportunities to make the most of DLC too. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if Sakurai just said he was done and walked away at some point.

Like obviously, the Fighter's Pass has clearly been a huge success for Nintendo, as has Ultimate, but I also think Nintendo realizes they don't necessarily have to keep investing in Smash to keep making money off of it given the fact it will clearly continue to be an evergreen title for them. They've decided to go a little bit further with characters though, and that's a good sign. I'd personally love to see them keep building on Ultimate for another couple of years with more more content including Challenger Packs and maybe even some more DLC stages.

I just can't get too excited yet because I've burned myself before on this stuff haha. Just trying to exercise some restraint until we get confirmation of more details... which I certainly hope is soon.

I understand. I... kinda have a hard time restraining myself when it comes to Smash speculation. I say I'm gonna restrain myself, but then I don't XD

The fire Emblem stage was supposed to based of Marth’s game, but it you can’t play in it in the debug.

Huh. The more you know.

 

[Deleted member]

Finally back at last...

So...are we still in this or nah?

 

[KarneraMythos]

Finally back at last...

So...are we still in this or nah?

My modder friend caught wind of a twitter user examining the situation behind the mod video takedown. You can see here for more info:

I’m just going to post this as proof that this isn’t a troll and “Nintendo” is the actual legit company pic.twitter.com/HtOmDRK4K3

— Faust @frostyfaustings.bsky.social (@SSBFaust) December 16, 2019

pic.twitter.com/diaZPruYrO

— Faust @frostyfaustings.bsky.social (@SSBFaust) December 16, 2019

And...

But wait there’s more! pic.twitter.com/KCzC1IRFCf

— Faust @frostyfaustings.bsky.social (@SSBFaust) December 16, 2019

Again, these could mean something, could mean nothing. Same thing with those 2 mario RPG tracks associated with Geno being taken down earlier. But we could also have a “megalovania” situation on our hands since a fan remix WAS taken down and later came to ultimate via sans outfit

— Faust @frostyfaustings.bsky.social (@SSBFaust) December 16, 2019

The takeaway here is that the takedowns could hint at something smash-related, and KOS-MOS' mod video triggering that response from Nintendo suggests we're expected to see her in the future. Otherwise, it wouldn't make any sense to pay any special attention to something visual when music is more of a priority for them. But of course, it's as he says in the fourth tweet: Tread carefully into it. It's a coin flip on whether or not her mod vid removal means anything.

 

[Deleted member]

Whatever the situation, thus does mean that we're still valid frontrunners. Hype responsibly, everyone.

 

[Bulk Slash]

Hey all,

Long time lurker here joining in to express my support and contribute to the conversation a bit. I've had a lot of pent up thoughts I'd like to unleash on an unusually long first post:

Ever since the fake TGA "leak" fiasco I've been reevaluating just how possible I think it would be for KOS-MOS to still get in. That mod copyright takedown is probably the biggest sticking point now. Appreciate the post by I.D. showing that Nintendo has used that same trade name before on YouTube. I'm not sure how YouTube handles IP infringement, but it appears that you're able to use either a trade name (Nintendo) or the legal business name (Nintendo of America, Inc./Nintendo Co., Ltd.)? I could see it being a little odd how an informal trade name is being used to issue takedowns, but there's clearly precedence for it as evidenced by the post I just linked to. It could just be that YouTube allows you to stylize it as a DBA (doing business as) so the multiple subsidiaries of Nintendo are able to issue takedowns.

I've seen a lot of people mention how poor and easily abusable YouTube's copyright system is. I don't deny that, but they've certainly taken strides to improve things. It may not be as simple as we think it is to initiate a fake takedown on command. The timing of how it was taken down on the same day as The Game Awards is suspect. You could say that this makes it more likely to be an elaborate troll, but if you're "abusing" the system to make a false flag I doubt you'd be able to synchronize the timing of when you want the video removed down to the exact day.

There was a post in this thread two pages back also by I.D. where they tried reporting multiple mod videos by the same uploader in an attempt to reproduce the issue. I haven't seen a follow up on this by I.D. nor the video uploader's Twitter account. If this was fake, it leads me to believe it would have had to been reported well in advance. Not ruling out that it's a possibility, but you'd really need to be thinking that far ahead -- maybe as far back as the day that original TGA 4chan "leak" was posted.

The Mario Kart Tour copyrighted content part of the claim honestly feels insignificant. Yes, it looks weird as hell but that doesn't mean it's someone clearly abusing the system. If they were trying to troll us you'd think they'd realize how goofy Mario Kart Tour looked and would've tried flagging it as Smash Ultimate content to make it look as legitimate as possible. It could be that they tried throwing multiple games at it until a claim stuck, but I view this as unlikely due to the potential time it takes between flagging a video and then getting it removed. Maybe they really did throw out the entire Nintendo catalog in a condensed amount of time and it somehow just worked out. Still find it unlikely due to the process potentially taking multiple days or even weeks.

If you're the IP holder, you could probably issue a takedown and list any property you own as the copyrighted content. It being a manual claim and not automated Content ID makes that outcome more likely (while also still leaving the window open for an elaborate troll). Saying it was labeled as Mario Kart Tour to secretly hide it being for Smash is wishful thinking. I view it more as Nintendo flexing on us and taking the easiest way out to get the video down no matter how sloppy. I suppose more wishful thinking would lead us to believe that KOS-MOS actually is in and they had no currently uploaded videos to their channel to match as the infringing content so Mario Kart Tour was used because they're the damn IP holder and they can get away with it.

As for the takedown being legit but only leading to a Mii costume; I dunno. The example frequently being thrown out was how the Megalovania remix takedown lead to a Sans Mii costume. To me it's more like the takedown of a song directly lead to that "same" song being added as a DLC track. Completely unprecedented for Smash Bros. DLC. Ironically KOS-MOS not being revealed at The Game Awards makes the YouTube takedown's legitimacy more likely. These takedowns do happen well in advance of an announcement -- not on the day of or mere days before. So if we really don't get the next character revealed until mid-January or February then this just adds to its credence.

Another thing I wanted to touch on briefly was the feeling that we/KOS-MOS is being targeted to troll the entire community. I see three reasons as to why this may be happening:

• The cat leak seemed so legit and infallible for the longest time that more and more people simply wanted to jump in on the "fun" until the author of the post finally revealed it to be fake.
• Considering her relatively niche status, people wanted to watch the world burn and spark an uproar from the strangely vocal "anti-anime" and "anti-niche" crowd. There was a point in time before Joker was announced that Katalina from Granblue Fantasy seemed like a completely plausible DLC choice corroborated by both Vergeben and Hitagi. Seriously, look at this old Reddit post with 764 comments of people celebrating that she wasn't going to get in after all.
• Dinah and the rest of this thread gave the two 4chan tripcode posters too much attention. It's certainly not a stretch to think that they were lurking in this very thread and egging everyone on the more their posts were brought up. As someone who was following multiple boards to get a pulse of the community at large -- I saw Dinah everywhere man. GameFaqs, ResetEra, and here. It's possible somebody was targeting Dinah directly after seeing how passionate they were across those boards.

TL;DR:

I think the YouTube takedown is potentially legit due to the amount of time it takes between flagging videos and getting them removed. There is precedence for a copyright notice to just say "Nintendo". YouTube's system can be abused but I don't think it can be done at will. With that said, it's still completely possible that there was a small of army people reporting the video days in advance, submitting a whole catalog of possible infringing games, and the video then being removed on the day of The Game Awards was just the cherry on top.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I've cautioned against using YouTube copyright claims in the past because they are notoriously one sided in favor of the claimant and against the uploader. There doesn't have to be a whole lot for Nintendo to claim something, and hell, one intern at Nintendo can probably just do lots of damage by copyright claiming when they feel like it, as could an algorithm not quite coded correctly. If Nintendo owns the IP in question or even anything related to it, there's a good chance they can get it taken down if they so choose unfortunately. Few copyright claims on YouTube are based in actual legal technicalities and are often the results of corporations using their power and profile for any number of reasons, or just straight up by accident. I just wouldn't put too much weight on them. Hell, ask the Geno thread, it has been 6 months since those Super Mario RPG songs got claimed...

There's plenty of other compelling stuff to point to with KOS-MOS thankfully though with her numerous crossover appearances and especially that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 appearance that shows she continues to be on people's minds. I don't know, the more I look at her, the more I see her like Dante in that they're both characters known for their tendency to show up in all kinds of crossovers, and it'd be really strange to not see either of them make it into Smash Ultimate by the end given that reputation.

 

[the unholy Grail]

Hello everyone I'm just going to cut to the chase. I was the twitter user who posted the evidence of Nintendo being the same company that issued those takedowns to prove that the mod takedown has legitimacy. I used the same links someone else in the thread posted as my evidence and I take no credit for providing said examples. I was merely trying to just get the word out there as I was getting tired of people dismissing the takedown because the claimant wasn't "Nintendo of America". With that being said, Hi! i'd like to give my support for KOS-MOS as FP5 (or future DLC) for smash ultimate. She seems like a really cool character with a potentially insane and unique moveset and if I can't get Rex i'll gladly take KOS-MOS. I have yet to play xenosaga but if getting her in smash means switch ports/remasters you all know damn well i'm getting on that.

and if I may, can I be added to the supporter list? pretty please...

 

[Deleted member]

Hello everyone I'm just going to cut to the chase. I was the twitter user who posted the evidence of Nintendo being the same company that issued those takedowns to prove that the mod takedown has legitimacy. I used the same links someone else in the thread posted as my evidence and I take no credit for providing said examples. I was merely trying to just get the word out there as I was getting tired of people dismissing the takedown because the claimant wasn't "Nintendo of America".

Well, I couldn't blame them. They just don't see it as sufficient evidence. Then again, we haven't been deconfirmed by Vergeben so...

 

[KarneraMythos]

Hello everyone I'm just going to cut to the chase. I was the twitter user who posted the evidence of Nintendo being the same company that issued those takedowns to prove that the mod takedown has legitimacy. I used the same links someone else in the thread posted as my evidence and I take no credit for providing said examples. I was merely trying to just get the word out there as I was getting tired of people dismissing the takedown because the claimant wasn't "Nintendo of America". With that being said, Hi! i'd like to give my support for KOS-MOS as FP5 (or future DLC) for smash ultimate. She seems like a really cool character with a potentially insane and unique moveset and if I can't get Rex i'll gladly take KOS-MOS. I have yet to play xenosaga but if getting her in smash means switch ports/remasters you all know damn well i'm getting on that.

and if I may, can I be added to the supporter list? pretty please...

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but you may want to have a look at my counterpoints (spoilers: None of the counter-points mention NOA):

Alright, I figure it's time I address what I think is going on with the copyright takedown since I happen to be in the server where the modder took my commission and made it months back. I didn't want to say anything because I wanted folks here to get their well-earned rest, but I'm aware of different time zones, so pardon the discrepancies...

I would still advice caution here. I already spoke directly with him on what might be happening, and these are the things that come to mind:

• The "visual claim" could just be the first of many modding videos.
• The algorithm is confusing the visuals for something else entirely, explaining the oddball "Mario Kart Tour" claim.
• I already checked for the removal of any Xenosaga themes – including any tied to Smash Bros. as conceptual themes – and none are taken down.
• We had a similar video takedown months back with Megalovania. People joked about it for a while, but we did get Sans eventually... as a Mii outfit.
• Some jackass could have reported the video to Nintendo to create the illusion of a Ninja takedown, but it ends up being a red herring as Nintendo never bothered examining the content closely enough. They probably saw "Mods? In OUR licensed products? Not on our watch!" and got rid of it.

And that about sums up this conundrum. It might be a hint to her being a Fighter. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but also consider these circumstances as well. For all we know, this is just an elaborate ruse, or Nintendo striking early at the weirdest time to hint at her eventual Mii costume in Fighter Pack 8 or something [eyeroll].

My work here is done. I should be asleep, but my dumb modder friend kept me up with this info. Baka baka baka. I'm sure he'll laugh it off if he reads this, lmao.

I would like your thoughts on it, because I devised the post as soon as Demonslayerx8 showed me the tweet and screenshots. Also, welcome to the forums! Enjoy your stay around here, and don't be a stranger, alright Grail? We both know what happened to Zeke every time he played up that gag...

 

[Deleted member]

The mod might have been taken down because it probably reused XB2 assets.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Regardless it's all conjecture why the mod video was taken down and we will have to wait to find out if she is FP5 or not to know for sure. But for me personally I am leaning that it is not a false flag, but it doesn't mean it is pointing towards KOS-MOS as FP5, but could had been taken down for one of the reasons stated from above.

 

[the unholy Grail]

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but you may want to have a look at my counterpoints (spoilers: None of the counter-points mention NOA):

I would like your thoughts on it, because I devised the post as soon as Demonslayerx8 showed me the tweet and screenshots. Also, welcome to the forums! Enjoy your stay around here, and don't be a stranger, alright Grail? We both know what happened to Zeke every time he played up that gag...

I agree. the points you made are definite possibilities. By far the scariest one is the prospect that she ends up as a mii gunner. especially when we consider the fate of sans and megalovania being taken down. (I swear if KOS-MOS is a mii fighter i'm killing myself.) As for the visual claim being the first of many, we can't exactly prove that because as of yet KOS-MOS is the only mod video affected by a takedown, and I wouldn't doubt the algorithm being sh*t and confusing it for something else entirely. No xenosaga concept tracks have been struck so that's also something to keep in mind now that some of us are actively trying to fish out a response from nintendo to see if they take the bait.

Again, like I said on twitter, this could all be for naught and we either get cucked if she becomes a gunner costume or FP5 is someone else entirely and we don't end up with KOS-MOS as a character in future DLC at all. The only reason I bothered sharing those screenshots is because I was getting tired of people dismissing the takedown because it wasn't the claimant trade name nintendo sometimes opts for. I just wanted people to be aware that "hey, this guy makes a valid point."

And now that I have an account here, I'd like to take the time to voice my thoughts on the KOS-MOS community being a target for trolls. I just want to say that if anyone goes that low to try to gatekeep a character because it's not their beloved geno/sora/chief/steve you seriously have nothing better to do if you spend your time egging a fan community. Seriously, it's childish and unwarranted. (There are smash fans who blindly sh*t on her with no rational thinking and pure spite.) And as unfortunate as it is, it's very likely someone is trying to get a rise out of us again after seeing us desperately cling to TGA and cat leak as potential proof KOS-MOS might be coming and the fact that the takedown was issued on the same day as TGA is REALLY suspect looking back retrospectively. In conclusion, this community sucks real bad sometimes and to me, it's kind of demoralizing seeing all this ire among the communitiy over a potential character in a f*cking video game...

 

[Deleted member]

I agree. the points you made are definite possibilities. By far the scariest one is the prospect that she ends up as a mii gunner. especially when we consider the fate of sans and megalovania being taken down. (I swear if KOS-MOS is a mii fighter i'm killing myself.) As for the visual claim being the first of many, we can't exactly prove that because as of yet KOS-MOS is the only mod video affected by a takedown, and I wouldn't doubt the algorithm being sh*t and confusing it for something else entirely. No xenosaga concept tracks have been struck so that's also something to keep in mind now that some of us are actively trying to fish out a response from nintendo to see if they take the bait.

Again, like I said on twitter, this could all be for naught and we either get cucked if she becomes a gunner costume or FP5 is someone else entirely and we don't end up with KOS-MOS as a character in future DLC at all. The only reason I bothered sharing those screenshots is because I was getting tired of people dismissing the takedown because it wasn't the claimant trade name nintendo sometimes opts for. I just wanted people to be aware that "hey, this guy makes a valid point."

And now that I have an account here, I'd like to take the time to voice my thoughts on the KOS-MOS community being a target for trolls. I just want to say that if anyone goes that low to try to gatekeep a character because it's not their beloved geno/sora/chief/steve you seriously have nothing better to do if you spend your time egging a fan community. Seriously, it's childish and unwarranted. (There are smash fans who blindly sh*t on her with no rational thinking and pure spite.) And as unfortunate as it is, it's very likely someone is trying to get a rise out of us again after seeing us desperately cling to TGA and cat leak as potential proof KOS-MOS might be coming and the fact that the takedown was issued on the same day as TGA is REALLY suspect looking back retrospectively. In conclusion, this community sucks real bad sometimes and to me, it's kind of demoralizing seeing all this ire among the communitiy over a potential character in a f*cking video game...

I’d recommend that you guys ignore these trolls and stop taking rumors seriously.

 

[KarneraMythos]

The mod might have been taken down because it probably reused XB2 assets.

Except that most mods have their own unique game assets, so that's a non-issue. It's also worth noting that the same modder worked on Kasandra, Nia, Poppi, Zeke, Padraig, and Riki/Tora as well, and their videos are still up.

we can't exactly prove that because as of yet KOS-MOS is the only mod video affected by a takedown, and I wouldn't doubt the algorithm being sh*t and confusing it for something else entirely. No xenosaga concept tracks have been struck so that's also something to keep in mind now that some of us are actively trying to fish out a response from nintendo to see if they take the bait.

You're absolutely right in that we can't prove it's the only mod video affected, but in all fairness, I wrote it during the initial hours of takedown. I was anticipating the possibility of other video takedowns. It didn't happen, so we can safely cross out that reason for now. I think the best way to fish for their attention is to simulate soundtrack/remix situations, and if they take down her videos while other fan remixes are up, then we can start taking this a bit seriously.

And now that I have an account here, I'd like to take the time to voice my thoughts on the KOS-MOS community being a target for trolls. I just want to say that if anyone goes that low to try to gatekeep a character because it's not their beloved geno/sora/chief/steve you seriously have nothing better to do if you spend your time egging a fan community. Seriously, it's childish and unwarranted. (There are smash fans who blindly sh*t on her with no rational thinking and pure spite.) And as unfortunate as it is, it's very likely someone is trying to get a rise out of us again after seeing us desperately cling to TGA and cat leak as potential proof KOS-MOS might be coming and the fact that the takedown was issued on the same day as TGA is REALLY suspect looking back retrospectively. In conclusion, this community sucks real bad sometimes and to me, it's kind of demoralizing seeing all this ire among the communitiy over a potential character in a f*cking video game...

It's a shame really. It's also probably worth noting that video takedowns aren't sudden, so if trolls were involved, it was purely coincidental that the vid just so happened to be taken down the night before. Just some food for thought.

I’d recommend that you guys ignore these trolls and stop taking rumors seriously.

Well said, Jack.

 

[Lynn Eslie]

Book-keeping. Pay me no mind.

Spoiler: SUPPORT LIST

1. ES. Dinah
2. Tyrant Tenebris
3. Aussie the Naturist
4. Altais
5. Pallex
6. Yomi's Biggest Fan
7. Xeno VII
8. Troykv
9. fogbadge
10. GolisoPower
11. ForwardArrow
12. Cynthwave
13. Abade
14. Bebe Mignon
15. PrinceGal3n
16. SorrowOfAcheron
17. Pikablu Pikachu
18. SEGAGameBoy
19. Amazon Pandora
20. TCT~Phantom
21. Dr. Jojo Phantasma
22. MattX20
23. kool2419
24. Lynn Eslie
25. Hydra of Chaos
26. Smasherfan88
27. NSSKG151
28. Idon
29. SpaceCadetKeon
30. Ultrashroomz
31. NessAtc.
32. Dixie Kong
33. Jazzy Jinx
34. Blackwolf666
35. Pizza Robo
36. Kos-saac1993
37. Yoh
38. FiXalaS
39. AugustusB
40. The Lightning Python
41. Shinuto
42. NukeA6
43. FlintIke
44. Russell_SSB
45. FalconFire93
46. verysleepywolf
47. TyrantLizardKing
48. PsySmasher
49. SIAD
50. Dyllybirdy
51. KingofUSA85
52. Wurmple for smash
53. Super Bario
54. Takasmash
55. Midnight Torch
56. Natlo
57. Rie Sonomura
58. KarneraMythos
59. NineS
60. NavoMan
61. Stage4Boss
62. Smashing Ramen
63. Pega-pony Princess
64. ZSSamus_
65. Ultrashroomz
66. Rdt.Squid KPX
67. Dannio
68. OnyanRings
69. Rimura
70. Nonno Umby
71. Erotic&Heretic
72. KatKit
73. Grimel
74. Blackthorne
75. SilverSoul24
76. Mushroomguy12
77. AmphabulouSnake
78. RetrogamerMax
79. BlackInk
80. E.S. Asher
81. ⛧Lord Metallium⛧
82. Suiren_Kirin
83. Lesley Black Velvet
84. zipzapsparkle
85. Cruiser
86. Droodle
87. B Baalikindred
88. Bolderousness
89. - Zero Requiem -
90. zferolie
91. H3ra
92. Night Gale
93. Destinylegend
94. psb123
95. Mikegamer0608
96. Strider_Bond00J
97. N3ON
98. NonSpecificGuy]
99. ryumo the Zekenator
100. AustarusIV
101. JDCabrera
102. tehponycorn
103. Banado_Boy
104. Blankiturayman
105. Zebulun
106. ZevBenjamin
107. Inoj
108. P.Kat
109. Renmazuo
110. SKX31
111. cosmicB
112. RawkHawk2010
113. Prince777
114. NintenZ
115. Dizzy121
116. Dutch Raikuna
117. ZenythSmash
118. Yoshi Kirishima
119. SneakyLink
120. Graizen
121. Sigran101
122. KΩS-MOS
123. MissingGlitch
124. Unotheninja
125. Mrs.Milky
126. BernkastelWitch
127. SSGuy
128. Genoa x Charlotte
129. Red Dead Redeemed
130. Asancu
131. Connorb0t2
132. TemporalShrew
133. DarkFalcon
134. Guritsu
135. NixF
136. Neverx
137. Michael the Spikester
138. Inawordyes
139. SuperSceptile15
140. Rikarte
141. MysteryNoire
142. Firox
143. Ricksaw
144. TDDolphin
145. FightingGhost73
146. EricTheGamerman
147. EarlTamm
148. Bulk Slash
149. the unholy Grail
150. zumaddy
151. Xelha
152. Ben Holt
153. MamaLuigi123456
154. Doctor Albert W. Wily

 

[Deleted member]

Book-keeping. Pay me no mind.

Spoiler: SUPPORT LIST

1. ES. Dinah
2. Tyrant Tenebris
3. Aussie the Naturist
4. Altais
5. Pallex
6. Yomi's Biggest Fan
7. Xeno VII
8. Troykv
9. fogbadge
10. GolisoPower
11. ForwardArrow
12. Cynthwave
13. Abade
14. Bebe Mignon
15. PrinceGal3n
16. SorrowOfAcheron
17. Pikablu Pikachu
18. SEGAGameBoy
19. Amazon Pandora
20. TCT~Phantom
21. Dr. Jojo Phantasma
22. MattX20
23. kool2419
24. Lynn Eslie
25. Hydra of Chaos
26. Smasherfan88
27. NSSKG151
28. Idon
29. SpaceCadetKeon
30. Ultrashroomz
31. NessAtc.
32. Dixie Kong
33. Jazzy Jinx
34. Blackwolf666
35. Pizza Robo
36. Kos-saac1993
37. Yoh
38. FiXalaS
39. AugustusB
40. The Lightning Python
41. Shinuto
42. NukeA6
43. FlintIke
44. Russell_SSB
45. FalconFire93
46. verysleepywolf
47. TyrantLizardKing
48. PsySmasher
49. SIAD
50. Dyllybirdy
51. KingofUSA85
52. Wurmple for smash
53. Super Bario
54. Takasmash
55. Midnight Torch
56. Natlo
57. Rie Sonomura
58. KarneraMythos
59. NineS
60. NavoMan
61. Stage4Boss
62. Smashing Ramen
63. Pega-pony Princess
64. ZSSamus_
65. Ultrashroomz
66. Rdt.Squid KPX
67. Dannio
68. OnyanRings
69. Rimura
70. Nonno Umby
71. Erotic&Heretic
72. KatKit
73. Grimel
74. Blackthorne
75. SilverSoul24
76. Mushroomguy12
77. AmphabulouSnake
78. RetrogamerMax
79. BlackInk
80. E.S. Asher
81. ⛧Lord Metallium⛧
82. Suiren_Kirin
83. Lesley Black Velvet
84. zipzapsparkle
85. Cruiser
86. Droodle
87. B Baalikindred
88. Bolderousness
89. - Zero Requiem -
90. zferolie
91. H3ra
92. Night Gale
93. Destinylegend
94. psb123
95. Mikegamer0608
96. Strider_Bond00J
97. N3ON
98. NonSpecificGuy]
99. ryumo the Zekenator
100. AustarusIV
101. JDCabrera
102. tehponycorn
103. Banado_Boy
104. Blankiturayman
105. Zebulun
106. ZevBenjamin
107. Inoj
108. P.Kat
109. Renmazuo
110. SKX31
111. cosmicB
112. RawkHawk2010
113. Prince777
114. NintenZ
115. Dizzy121
116. Dutch Raikuna
117. ZenythSmash
118. Yoshi Kirishima
119. SneakyLink
120. Graizen
121. Sigran101
122. KΩS-MOS
123. MissingGlitch
124. Unotheninja
125. Mrs.Milky
126. BernkastelWitch
127. SSGuy
128. Genoa x Charlotte
129. Red Dead Redeemed
130. Asancu
131. Connorb0t2
132. TemporalShrew
133. DarkFalcon
134. Guritsu
135. NixF
136. Neverx
137. Michael the Spikester
138. Inawordyes
139. SuperSceptile15
140. Rikarte
141. MysteryNoire
142. Firox
143. Ricksaw
144. TDDolphin
145. FightingGhost73
146. EricTheGamerman
147. EarlTamm
148. Bulk Slash
149. the unholy Grail

How far we've come...

 

[TDDolphin]

Book-keeping. Pay me no mind.

Spoiler: SUPPORT LIST

1. ES. Dinah
2. Tyrant Tenebris
3. Aussie the Naturist
4. Altais
5. Pallex
6. Yomi's Biggest Fan
7. Xeno VII
8. Troykv
9. fogbadge
10. GolisoPower
11. ForwardArrow
12. Cynthwave
13. Abade
14. Bebe Mignon
15. PrinceGal3n
16. SorrowOfAcheron
17. Pikablu Pikachu
18. SEGAGameBoy
19. Amazon Pandora
20. TCT~Phantom
21. Dr. Jojo Phantasma
22. MattX20
23. kool2419
24. Lynn Eslie
25. Hydra of Chaos
26. Smasherfan88
27. NSSKG151
28. Idon
29. SpaceCadetKeon
30. Ultrashroomz
31. NessAtc.
32. Dixie Kong
33. Jazzy Jinx
34. Blackwolf666
35. Pizza Robo
36. Kos-saac1993
37. Yoh
38. FiXalaS
39. AugustusB
40. The Lightning Python
41. Shinuto
42. NukeA6
43. FlintIke
44. Russell_SSB
45. FalconFire93
46. verysleepywolf
47. TyrantLizardKing
48. PsySmasher
49. SIAD
50. Dyllybirdy
51. KingofUSA85
52. Wurmple for smash
53. Super Bario
54. Takasmash
55. Midnight Torch
56. Natlo
57. Rie Sonomura
58. KarneraMythos
59. NineS
60. NavoMan
61. Stage4Boss
62. Smashing Ramen
63. Pega-pony Princess
64. ZSSamus_
65. Ultrashroomz
66. Rdt.Squid KPX
67. Dannio
68. OnyanRings
69. Rimura
70. Nonno Umby
71. Erotic&Heretic
72. KatKit
73. Grimel
74. Blackthorne
75. SilverSoul24
76. Mushroomguy12
77. AmphabulouSnake
78. RetrogamerMax
79. BlackInk
80. E.S. Asher
81. ⛧Lord Metallium⛧
82. Suiren_Kirin
83. Lesley Black Velvet
84. zipzapsparkle
85. Cruiser
86. Droodle
87. B Baalikindred
88. Bolderousness
89. - Zero Requiem -
90. zferolie
91. H3ra
92. Night Gale
93. Destinylegend
94. psb123
95. Mikegamer0608
96. Strider_Bond00J
97. N3ON
98. NonSpecificGuy]
99. ryumo the Zekenator
100. AustarusIV
101. JDCabrera
102. tehponycorn
103. Banado_Boy
104. Blankiturayman
105. Zebulun
106. ZevBenjamin
107. Inoj
108. P.Kat
109. Renmazuo
110. SKX31
111. cosmicB
112. RawkHawk2010
113. Prince777
114. NintenZ
115. Dizzy121
116. Dutch Raikuna
117. ZenythSmash
118. Yoshi Kirishima
119. SneakyLink
120. Graizen
121. Sigran101
122. KΩS-MOS
123. MissingGlitch
124. Unotheninja
125. Mrs.Milky
126. BernkastelWitch
127. SSGuy
128. Genoa x Charlotte
129. Red Dead Redeemed
130. Asancu
131. Connorb0t2
132. TemporalShrew
133. DarkFalcon
134. Guritsu
135. NixF
136. Neverx
137. Michael the Spikester
138. Inawordyes
139. SuperSceptile15
140. Rikarte
141. MysteryNoire
142. Firox
143. Ricksaw
144. TDDolphin
145. FightingGhost73
146. EricTheGamerman
147. EarlTamm
148. Bulk Slash
149. the unholy Grail

That is quite the list.

 

[KarneraMythos]

We have as many members as there are pokemon in the Kanto region (outside of Mew and Mewtwo). If two more supporters join, we'd be the Original 151.

 

[zumaddy]

Hiya, long time lurker here who really wants a Xeno rep of any kind. I think KOS-MOS would be an awesome pick and the fact that she's actually one of the more likelier names being thrown around right now is crazy.

 

[TDDolphin]

We have as many members as there are pokemon in the Kanto region (outside of Mew and Mewtwo). If two more supporters join, we'd be the Original 151.

Only 51 more and we'll be halfway to Galar's Pokemon.

 

[the unholy Grail]

Just had a stroke of genius. I'm dubbing the KOS-MOS mod showcase video takedown fiasco as "KOS-MOD."

 

[Baalikindred]

I see alot of people saying we're not going to get a direct this month today. I'm wondering why. Not that I think it's likely or anything, just curious as to why it's apparently impossible now.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

I see alot of people saying we're not going to get a direct this month today. I'm wondering why. Not that I think it's likely or anything, just curious as to why it's apparently impossible now.

Well, next week is Christmas week so I sincerely doubt they will show a direct next week, but the week after that is possible since the thurs of that week is Jan 2, but I personally hope the direct is on Jan 9 as that is my birthday and I would love to have KOS-MOS or another character I support like 2B confirmed.

 

[Baalikindred]

Well, next week is Christmas week so I sincerely doubt they will show a direct next week.

I'm not really too sure on that. Though I get that mostly from the fact I worked retail for awhile and they only gave us Christmas Eve and Day off. I kinda have a tendency to lump every corporation into the same pile when it comes to business. That is, greedy as hell. So I guess I don't see them giving a direct chirstmas eve or day, but I think it's possible to have one during that week. That's just me though.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

So anything new on our KOS? Any chance signals?

 

[KarneraMythos]

So anything new on our KOS? Any chance signals?

If there were news, Dinah and I would announce it here. There is nothing to report at the moment.

 

[TDDolphin]

So anything new on our KOS? Any chance signals?

Nice pun lol

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

If there were news, Dinah and I would announce it here. There is nothing to report at the moment.

Trying to keep up appearances. Next few weeks before the almost certain January Direct are gonna be slow I swear.

 

[Deleted member]

Trying to keep up appearances. Next few weeks before the almost certain January Direct are gonna be slow I swear.

I'm in Taiwan and yeah, time does fly slowly...