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And like I said, you just need to show historical examples of this kind of logic being right before you've proven anything. Anyone can theorize; it's a Smash speculation forum. Will you be right is my question? I'd like evidence from the past if you're going to try and convince anybody.
Historical examples? Nintendo is still new when it comes to dlc. What I know for sure is that they are targeting unexpected audiences, the Namco dlc tease, their goal with dlc, their dlc pass set up, and the Rex costume situation (as told by Sakurai). Buddy, the problem here is that the history for smash dlc is too small and Nintendo wants to play stunts most of the time. This whole pass is a stunt, Kosmos is potentially a long-term stunt.
So you have no evidence, meaning your theory has no actual footing to hold itself on. Most of your arguments of KOSMOS are assumptions as a result, and assumptions are not 100%. With no credible leaker coming out and backing KOSMOS, it's very likely any theory we come up with are crap shoots and we have no basis to believe any of them.
Because Kosmos will be a unexpected surprise that will guarantee approval with the Rex guys and the guys who follow the Xeno stuff. It’s basic marketing.
As a huge supporter of Rex, the inclusion of KOS-MOS would not suddenly negate my desire to see him join the roster someday.
Basic marketing would also make Nintendo want to promote an exceptionally successful series like Resident Evil and Fire Emblem. Both are incredibly successful, easy to contact, and are also on Nintendo consoles. The basic marketing argument isn't good enough here.
You’re forgetting the concept of “the audience”. They expect that some of their audience are interested enough in Rex to buy the pass.
Now riddle me this. Is this audience greater in number than the people who were interested in Joker, Hero, Banjo, and Terry? And if it's smaller, tell me, is this specific audience who wanted the Rex mii costume even close to the millions who were interested in the Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie, and SNK megaloads of content? Enough to prioritize going against another series from Namco or Capcom?
For reference, what is the Cat Leak and why is it good?
You mean the audience that Nintendo is TRYING to appeal and gain? They bought Monoloift Soft for a reason and Namco allowed cameos for Kosmos and T-ellos for Xenoblade 2. Nintendo definitely doesn’t want to make their growing audience feel screwed over in a big title like Smash.
I get that. I’m only thinking in the perspective of a business man in Nintendo. I have to be short-sighted to not recognize the issues with the design choices. I also have to work with Namco, who recently trademark xenosgaga in 2018, and consider the Xenoblade 1 switch port. I will put in Kosmos to maintain the xenoblade crowd’s trust and benefit my partner at the same time.
As much as I love to see so many people joining in, the amount of such messages is getting quite out of hand.
I honesyly don't see enough merit for a KOS-MOS Game Awards reveal. Sure, it could happen some day but I hope we just get our girl in the end...Alright I found something new to discuss.
It's real blurry at parts but this was posted by a 4chan user. I'm not sure what it means for the bottom 3 characters and yes our very own KOS-MOS is on it as well as the other two cat leak characters. The above timeline seems VERY SOUND, imo. Now, this all relies on cat leak being true but let's say KOS-MOS, Reimu, and Hayabusa are indeed all developed in 3 like Joker, Hero, and Banjo were. If KOS-MOS got a game awards reveal it would make so much sense. Cat leak name dropped the other two characters .... Verg says Hayabusa is moved to post pass months after the cat leak, and we have the Reimu thing with the doujin circle. Now, the bizarre thing about this theory is that Terry is just.... kicked out and cat leaker (ASSUMING if it is the same person) knew about Banjo's codename but knew nothing about Terry coming? So Terry was secret if we can say.... and that doesn't add up, imo.
However, the cat leaker mentioned Reimu and Hayabusa were EARLY DEVELOPMENT, right? So then wouldn't this rule of 3 thing make sense?
I dont know if i'm even understanding this theory correctly so someone can take over if they want but this theory seems relatively sound at least the TOP part. I'm not sure about the bottom. We've give reasons for piggybacking already such as papagenos making that video and someone could copied the Banjo buddy guy, etc. Reimu leak was seemingly debunked and then lives again thanks to SNK getting 50 songs, etc. I also mentioned in a previous post the the fighters pass did extremely well financially so it is REAL possible that the next fighters are all 3rd party again. But in order for this theory to be true, KOS-MOS 100% has to be #5 and Sabi is theorizing that the game awards are going to be exciting. Not saying I believe Sabi but if KOS-MOS came with Xenosaga HD or is part of Xenoblade definitive edition... she can be #5 very easily, IMO.
Now why prioritize the Xenoblade series when they already received content in the form of more music and spirits? Instead, they can focus on another series like Tales Of, Resident Evil, and Fire Emblem.
Cat leak has yet to be disproven. It posits that the first cat leaker and second cat leaker are one and the same. Cat leaker #1 had legit info on Banjo and even revealed his codename before Sabi and Shinobi. Codenames are only revealed when a fighter launches so yes that guy was 100% a developer or someone at Nintendo.
I saw that before. Pretty interesting.Alright I found something new to discuss.
It's real blurry at parts but this was posted by a 4chan user. I'm not sure what it means for the bottom 3 characters and yes our very own KOS-MOS is on it as well as the other two cat leak characters. The above timeline seems VERY SOUND, imo. Now, this all relies on cat leak being true but let's say KOS-MOS, Reimu, and Hayabusa are indeed all developed in 3 like Joker, Hero, and Banjo were. If KOS-MOS got a game awards reveal it would make so much sense. Cat leak name dropped the other two characters .... Verg says Hayabusa is moved to post pass months after the cat leak, and we have the Reimu thing with the doujin circle. Now, the bizarre thing about this theory is that Terry is just.... kicked out and cat leaker (ASSUMING if it is the same person) knew about Banjo's codename but knew nothing about Terry coming? So Terry was secret if we can say.... and that doesn't add up, imo.
However, the cat leaker mentioned Reimu and Hayabusa were EARLY DEVELOPMENT, right? So then wouldn't this rule of 3 thing make sense?
I dont know if i'm even understanding this theory correctly so someone can take over if they want but this theory seems relatively sound at least the TOP part. I'm not sure about the bottom. We've give reasons for piggybacking already such as papagenos making that video and someone could copied the Banjo buddy guy, etc. Reimu leak was seemingly debunked and then lives again thanks to SNK getting 50 songs, etc. I also mentioned in a previous post the the fighters pass did extremely well financially so it is REAL possible that the next fighters are all 3rd party again. But in order for this theory to be true, KOS-MOS 100% has to be #5 and Sabi is theorizing that the game awards are going to be exciting. Not saying I believe Sabi but if KOS-MOS came with Xenosaga HD or is part of Xenoblade definitive edition... she can be #5 very easily, IMO.
That's... interesting. It's 4chan, though, so I wouldn't rely on it, especially when it can be faked easily. Notice how the dude also doesn't reveal when KOS-MOS will be revealed compared to Hero and Banjo where he specifically noted E3. And like you pointed out, the lack of codenames just feel off.
This stuff here feels more like post fighter’s pass activities. A character like Lloyd is having october trademark leaks and that’s not a good sign when the pass’s pick development was over way before that point. I’m sure he has chances post the pass.
My personal logic is I don't know when else they can reveal a fighter this year other than the VGA. We've already had three general directs in 2019 and the time for a Pokemon direct revealing a Smash fighter is long gone now.
That’s exactly why I don’t think resident evil or Tales Of will be in this pass, they already have their ports in. Kosmos is pretty much a set bomb with no known timer.
What new port were Joker, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry promoting when they were put in Smash?
Terry did get his ports promoted and there was new persona 5 spinoff game for Switch. Banjo is the weird exception.
The SNK ports were released months before Terry was revealed and Persona Q2 was released a couple weeks before Joker was revealed. And as you said, Banjo just didn't get anything for Switch. I'm not saying ports are an end-all be-all confirmation. I'm saying it'd be cool if KOSMOS was advertised with Xenoblade 1 HD as the timing aligns.
After reading it...the stars do align...
I’m predicting Xenosaga ports. There were speculations on those ports around 2018. Aligning Kosmos’s smash appearance and her games will be a great way to bring attention to her series (because there are growing xeno fans on the switch).
Ports of the original would be a big deal, though probably their main focus is on the Xeno1 remake for Switch .
That would be pretty good, yeah.
It's a pretty neat theory I have to admit. And since we know the mii leak thing is 100% fake at this point.... isn't it funny that insiders won't comment on this?
As you can see, the Rex conspiracy is mainly about the marketing on the switch. Rex’s game is actually the most popular one in his series, the game that ties in Kosmos and Shulk. I just doubt that it’s actually that popular with the majority of the smash crowd than Pokemon or even the mario plant and I doubt that Nintendo doesn’t want to please that specific crowd within the pass with said Rex costume.
If it gains a lot of traction, that's when insiders would probably comment on it.
How could I forget this one leak... Did anyone remember the talks of a mecha and a girl? It came from one of the legit leakers.
I never denied Xenoblade Chronicles 2 wasn't popular or marketable. It's clearly doing something right if it keeps making games and Sakurai dedicating a section of November's direct to Rex clearly showed he wanted to include him. My thing is we need way more evidence before we can pin down KOS-MOS for certain. Not just that the fans want her.
Huh? I'm pretty sure that was hogwash because of a leaked Overwatch Switch case. Or do you mean Bosatu who claimed the next character is a female with projectiles?
Oh yeah...the insiders haven't said anything yet...
This has potential. Not concrete evidence, but not impossible either. For what it's worth, nothing has "debunked" any of this, so all of it could be true to a degree.
Either:
Probably #2. Though Sabi has publicly stated her insider will just flat out not tell her who FP 5 is because confidentiality and whatnot. I'd say if you do know who it is, it's probably a very well kept secret until close to release, like Terry. Makes the wait more exciting I'll admit.
Wait, when was the November direct?
2018 November 1st
The "Early in development" part is what makes me question this leak as almost any fake leaker that claims deeper intel like this tries to come off as credible, but their actually not. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE this leak to be real.Alright I found something new to discuss.
It's real blurry at parts but this was posted by a 4chan user. I'm not sure what it means for the bottom 3 characters and yes our very own KOS-MOS is on it as well as the other two cat leak characters. The above timeline seems VERY SOUND, imo. Now, this all relies on cat leak being true but let's say KOS-MOS, Reimu, and Hayabusa are indeed all developed in 3 like Joker, Hero, and Banjo were. If KOS-MOS got a game awards reveal it would make so much sense. Cat leak name dropped the other two characters .... Verg says Hayabusa is moved to post pass months after the cat leak, and we have the Reimu thing with the doujin circle. Now, the bizarre thing about this theory is that Terry is just.... kicked out and cat leaker (ASSUMING if it is the same person) knew about Banjo's codename but knew nothing about Terry coming? So Terry was secret if we can say.... and that doesn't add up, imo.
However, the cat leaker mentioned Reimu and Hayabusa were EARLY DEVELOPMENT, right? So then wouldn't this rule of 3 thing make sense?
I dont know if i'm even understanding this theory correctly so someone can take over if they want but this theory seems relatively sound at least the TOP part. I'm not sure about the bottom. We've give reasons for piggybacking already such as papagenos making that video and someone could copied the Banjo buddy guy, etc. Reimu leak was seemingly debunked and then lives again thanks to SNK getting 50 songs, etc. I also mentioned in a previous post the the fighters pass did extremely well financially so it is REAL possible that the next fighters are all 3rd party again. But in order for this theory to be true, KOS-MOS 100% has to be #5 and Sabi is theorizing that the game awards are going to be exciting. Not saying I believe Sabi but if KOS-MOS came with Xenosaga HD or is part of Xenoblade definitive edition... she can be #5 very easily, IMO.
I'm also betting on #2, though there's a hunch for #1 to be the point. Most of the FP had been leaked already, so prevention is still Nintendo's way to go. Remember Sabi during the entire SNK leak drama?
To me, the cat leaker looks to anonymouse to tell. Anyone could have known that dressing up as the cat leaker would instantly get credibility.