KOS-MOS Returning to Battle: DLC Season 2.

[the unholy Grail]

I mean, that is why I said if it got one or two characters .

Like lets be real, Reimu being FP9 says more for this leak than Crash being FP 9 imo.

I feel the same way. The 5chan leak needs Reimu or KOS-MOS to be taken seriously because Crash is not only highly speculated, but he's also an iconic character that hasn't been this popular since his inception and has seen a massive resurgence and relevancy thanks to the N. Sane trilogy and the CTR Remake as well as more recently in Crash 4. And as a result, he's featured in a ton of fake leaks. Assuming 5chan correctly calls Crash, it shouldn't be that surprising since there a billion leaks featuring him and speculation has been expecting him for a long time.

So with Steve and Sephiroth likely originally being planned for E3 before COVID, it begs the question who was originally intended to be the VGAs reveal prior to Sephiroth if we were going to get a reveal there at all in the non COVID timeline? Well, there was rumors back in 2018 that Sephiroth was suppose to have been the VGAs reveal that year and there was rumors back in 2019 that KOS-MOS was suppose to have been reveal that year as well. I'm not saying the KOS-MOS rumors have any credibility, but it looks like the Sephiroth rumors did even though he came 2 years later. Just imagine if the VGAs rumors about KOS-MOS back in 2019 are actually true as well.

I don't recall hearing any Game Awards leaks claiming Sephiroth back in 2018. I only recall the "7 squares" leak that included 7 potential Square Enix reps for DLC. That's very peculiar though...When TGA's 2018 aired Smash Ultimate wasn't even out then and Joker was the shown instead as the 1st Fighter Pass character. Do you mind linking where you heard this from? If true, that MIGHT bode well for KOS-MOS since she was also a rumored character for TGA's 2019.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I don't recall hearing any Game Awards leaks claiming Sephiroth back in 2018. I only recall the 7" squares" leak that included 7 potential Square Enix reps for DLC. That's very peculiar though...When TGA's 2018 aired Smash Ultimate wasn't even out then and Joker was the shown instead as the 1st Fighter Pass character. Do you mind linking where you heard this from? If true, that MIGHT bode well for KOS-MOS since she was also a rumored character for TGA's 2019.

4chan leakers and some other people claimed Sephiroth was supposed to have been revealed at VGAs 2018 at the time which should be taken with a grain of salt even though he's in now. Sadly, I don't have the sources for these claims.

 

[Luty]

Hmm...how many projectile attacks does KOS-MOS normally utilize?

Most games have her utilize her Blaster, R-Cannon, G-Shot, and X-Buster. The first game's F-Scythe also fires a projectile, and she fires the R-Dragon to hit oppents to end her combo. She has a few other underutilized weapons in Episode I, too. I believe the first and second game gave her missiles that she shot from her back. D-Teneritas is introduced in Episode 3. While not likely to be utilized, the Tertiary Weapon System was used in a few cutscenes througout the Saga. Lastly, her ether cannons from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Not gonna count that cannon she used to shoot at the Song of Nephilim.

 

[MattX20]

Most games have her utilize her Blaster, R-Cannon, G-Shot, and X-Buster. The first game's F-Scythe also fires a projectile, and she fires the R-Dragon to hit oppents to end her combo. She has a few other underutilized weapons in Episode I, too. I believe the first and second game gave her missiles that she shot from her back. D-Teneritas is introduced in Episode 3. While not likely to be utilized, the Tertiary Weapon System was used in a few cutscenes througout the Saga. Lastly, her ether cannons from Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Not gonna count that cannon she used to shoot at the Song of Nephilim.

Well, let's hope that recent tournament doesn't potentially disqualify her

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So I want to ask you guys, what thing you think is most likely evidence for KOS-MOS potentially being in? Because as cool as it would be to have her in, I haven't seen any evidence or any source hard claiming her inclusion.

 

[MattX20]

So I want to ask you guys, what thing you think is most likely evidence for KOS-MOS potentially being in? Because as cool as it would be to have her in, I haven't seen any evidence or any source hard claiming her inclusion.

Currently, it's the Bandai Namco mii fighter costume of Lloyd that keeps any Bandai Namco rep potentially in the running, even more so if Mii Fighter costume wave 9 doesn't include Lloyd still

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Currently, it's the Bandai Namco mii fighter costume of Lloyd that keeps any Bandai Namco rep potentially in the running, even more so if Mii Fighter costume wave 9 doesn't include Lloyd still

Yeah. I feel like if the Lloyd costumes comes back without Lloyd or Yuri than Tales Of is out.

 

[Luty]

So I want to ask you guys, what thing you think is most likely evidence for KOS-MOS potentially being in? Because as cool as it would be to have her in, I haven't seen any evidence or any source hard claiming her inclusion.

There is no hard evidence for any speculated character. There is not even soft evidence that there will even be a Namco representative. Heihachi and Gil came with characters in Fighter Pass 2 who are not Namco characters. Lloyd's costume may not even come with a Namco fighter, much like Heihachi and Gil. However, even if Lloyd's Mii costume comes with the next non-Namco character, KOS-MOS still has a shot.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There is no hard evidence for any speculated character. There is not even soft evidence that there will even be a Namco representative. Heihachi and Gil came with characters in Fighter Pass 2 who are not Namco characters. Lloyd's costume may not even come with a Namco fighter, much like Heihachi and Gil. However, even if Lloyd's Mii costume comes with the next non-Namco character, KOS-MOS still has a shot.

I have a weird nagging feeling that Lloyd’s costume is being saved SPECIFICALLY for KOS-MOS’s pack. Geno’s costume came with Cloud in 4 and Sephiroth in Ultimate. Gil’s came with... either Corrin or Bayonetta in 4, and Steve in Ult; and Heihachi with Ryu in 4 and Min Min in Ult. However, Lloyd’s costume in 4 was dropped out of the blue without a character.

almost as if... he’d need to return with another Bamco JRPG character in Ultimate...

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I have a weird nagging feeling that Lloyd’s costume is being saved SPECIFICALLY for KOS-MOS’s pack. Geno’s costume came with Cloud in 4 and Sephiroth in Ultimate. Gil’s came with... either Corrin or Bayonetta in 4, and Steve in Ult; and Heihachi with Ryu in 4 and Min Min in Ult. However, Lloyd’s costume in 4 was dropped out of the blue without a character.

almost as if... he’d need to return with another Bamco JRPG character in Ultimate...

Thing is even if Tales Of is out, Xenosaga would still be competing with Soul Calibur for the potential Namco slot. It could be KOS-MOS or Nightmare if not Lloyd or Yuri.

 

[MattX20]

I have a weird nagging feeling that Lloyd’s costume is being saved SPECIFICALLY for KOS-MOS’s pack. Geno’s costume came with Cloud in 4 and Sephiroth in Ultimate. Gil’s came with... either Corrin or Bayonetta in 4, and Steve in Ult; and Heihachi with Ryu in 4 and Min Min in Ult. However, Lloyd’s costume in 4 was dropped out of the blue without a character.

almost as if... he’d need to return with another Bamco JRPG character in Ultimate...

We must also keep in mind that all 3 remaining Mii Costumes from 4 are swordfighters, so even if a Bandai Namco rep gets in, it doesn't automatically mean a Bandai Namco costume will be included. The Monster Hunter costumes could easily go in Lloyd's stead

 

[RetrogamerMax]

We must also keep in mind that all 3 remaining Mii Costumes from 4 are swordfighters, so even if a Bandai Namco rep gets in, it doesn't automatically mean a Bandai Namco costume will be included. The Monster Hunter costumes could easily go in Lloyd's stead

Yeah. But if the Monster Hunter costumes don't came back with the Namco rep or vice versa, than I think it will be very likely we are getting another Capcom rep as well.

 

[Luty]

Yeah. But if the Monster Hunter costumes don't came back with the Namco rep or vice versa, than I think it will be very likely we are getting another Capcom rep as well.

I am thinking they are spreading out the returning costumes whether they have significance to the fighter they come with or not. Maybe they saved the ones that come with related characters? Sounds like they wanted different character costumes to come with a Namco for a specific purpose if there is a Namco representative.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I am thinking they are spreading out the returning costumes whether they have significance to the fighter they come with or not. Maybe they saved the ones that come with related characters? Sounds like they wanted different character costumes to come with a Namco for a specific purpose if there is a Namco representative.

You might be right.

 

[MattX20]

I am thinking they are spreading out the returning costumes whether they have significance to the fighter they come with or not. Maybe they saved the ones that come with related characters? Sounds like they wanted different character costumes to come with a Namco for a specific purpose if there is a Namco representative.

They have been deliberately spreading the costumes out. You would be correct. With the exception of the second wave of Mii Costumes, every single wave before and after had at least one returning Mii Costume each, and Wave 10 most likely will be the last wave to feature returning Mii Costumes from Smash 4 at this point

 

[RetrogamerMax]

They have been deliberately spreading the costumes out. You would be correct. With the exception of the second wave of Mii Costumes, every single wave before and after had at least one returning Mii Costume each, and Wave 10 most likely will be the last wave to feature returning Mii Costumes from Smash 4 at this point

Yep. I don't see them dragging the Smash 4 Mii costumes until the end since the Monster Hunter and Rathalos costumes will very likely return with each other.

 

[ES. Dinah]

There is no strong evidence for any character if we want to be technical. All we have for KOS-MOS is this 5chan leak and even then it may very well be bunk the next reveal. Right now the fact that the Lloyd mii and monster hunter costumes are missing surely does feel like they are returning but smash dlc is very unpredictable and I think we need to understand that going forward. Let's say we were back to square one and the 5chan leak gets debunked then i'll go back to saying that the only true way KOS-MOS can get in is if Takahashi has the power to ask Nintendo for her assuming they went to him in the first place. It's clear she would be his first choice.

 

[MattX20]

There is no strong evidence for any character if we want to be technical. All we have for KOS-MOS is this 5chan leak and even then it may very well be bunk the next reveal. Right now the fact that the Lloyd mii and monster hunter costumes are missing surely does feel like they are returning but smash dlc is very unpredictable and I think we need to understand that going forward. Let's say we were back to square one and the 5chan leak gets debunked then i'll go back to saying that the only true way KOS-MOS can get in is if Takahashi has the power to ask Nintendo for her assuming they went to him in the first place. It's clear she would be his first choice.

The next reveal will more than likely prove or disprove the 5ch leak. There is no in between this late in the pass

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Only a recongnizable road or a dark road with a unknown path awaits speculation following the next fighter. Basically, the next fighter will prove or disprove a lot of these leaks.

 

[MattX20]

That, and it would also depend on how KOS-MOS is classified in Smash. She could either count as a Xenosaga rep or a Xenoblade rep.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That, and it would also depend on how KOS-MOS is classified in Smash. She could either count as a Xenosaga rep or a Xenoblade rep.

I think it's clear as day KOS-MOS would be a Xenosaga rep and not a Xenoblade rep despite being from the same universe. Think of it like Donkey Kong, Wario and Yoshi being part of their own series and not Mario's in Smash despite them being all from the same universe. That is KOS-MOS' situation on top of her being 3rd party.

 

[KarneraMythos]

I was actually thinking. If E3 and a dual reveal are a thing this year, they might want to repeat the East-West thing Hero and Banjo had going on

at first I was thinking KOS-MOS would be FP9 and Reimu and Crash are dual revealed for that East-West appeal

but... KOS-MOS is also very popular in Japan while still having her games accessible (mostly) worldwide and Reimu only has official English releases of Touhou fan games, not the mainline ones. Maybe Reimu as FP9 could make sense in a sudden standalone presentation?

I'd argue for Reimu being the Eastern Appeal rep alongside Crash still. It's even in her series' name, Touhou* Project (Eastern*). There's also their primarily reddish color schemes, the fact that one is from the upper north and the other is further down south in different parts of the world. Bonus points for both characters hitting wildly different fandom demographics.

I feel the same way. The 5chan leak needs Reimu or KOS-MOS to be taken seriously because Crash is not only highly speculated, but he's also an iconic character that hasn't been this popular since his inception and has seen a massive resurgence and relevancy thanks to the N. Sane trilogy and the CTR Remake as well as more recently in Crash 4. And as a result, he's featured in a ton of fake leaks. Assuming 5chan correctly calls Crash, it shouldn't be that surprising since there a billion leaks featuring him and speculation has been expecting him for a long time.

Pretty much how I feel about the whole discussion behind Crash and this leak. If he's revealed next, there's an incredibly slim chance the other two will follow, since Crash (while not guaranteed) is extremely easy to predict given his enormous and undeniable popularity. Without beating a dead horse, I will say that Crash's reveal happening sometime before E3 might hurt this leak significantly given how E3 is usually saved for bigger characters or a bigger wave of reveals. Announcing him around March basically implies a bigger Western-appeal character of sorts being held back for E3, which further implies the absence of any potential niche reps given where the focus is being placed.

 

[MattX20]

I'd argue for Reimu being the Eastern Appeal rep alongside Crash still. It's even in her series' name, Touhou* Project (Eastern*). There's also their primarily reddish color schemes, the fact that one is from the upper north and the other is further down south in different parts of the world. Bonus points for both characters hitting wildly different fandom demographics.



Pretty much how I feel about the whole discussion behind Crash and this leak. If he's revealed next, there's an incredibly slim chance the other two will follow, since Crash (while not guaranteed) is extremely easy to predict given his enormous and undeniable popularity. Without beating a dead horse, I will say that Crash's reveal happening sometime before E3 might hurt this leak significantly given how E3 is usually saved for bigger characters or a bigger wave of reveals. Announcing him around March basically implies a bigger Western-appeal character of sorts being held back for E3, which further implies the absence of any potential niche reps given where the focus is being placed.

Most leaks usually just list the characters they hear rather than the actual release order of them. Crash could be next, but KOS-MOS could still happen later on. So, until the pass ends or if another Bandai Namco rep gets in first, I don't think we should call it quits should KOS-MOS not be next

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Most leaks usually just list the characters they hear rather than the actual release order of them. Crash could be next, but KOS-MOS could still happen later on. So, until the pass ends or if another Bandai Namco rep gets in first, I don't think we should call it quits should KOS-MOS not be next

I think it would make more sense for Crash to show up at E3 if he's in so I don't think the next fighter will be somebody really iconic like him but somebody more obscure or less iconic.

 

[MattX20]

I think it would make more sense for Crash to show up at E3 if he's in so I don't think the next fighter will be somebody really iconic like him but somebody more obscure or less iconic.

I do agree that Crash would make sense more as an E3 reveal, but I'm not going to rule out the possibility of him being FP9 either until that reveal has come and gone. Smash can obliterate any patterns or thought processes people have at the drop of a hat at times

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I do agree that Crash would make sense more as an E3 reveal, but I'm not going to rule out the possibility of him being FP9 either until that reveal has come and gone. Smash can obliterate any patterns or thought processes people have at the drop of a hat at times

True. But by a marketing standpoint it makes sense to reveal Crash at E3 because of his iconic status.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So with the announcement of Crash 4 for switch, ppl are theorizing Crash is next

what if the 5ch leak said not just the characters but their intended order as well? I.e. after Sephiroth is Crash first, then Reimu, and ending with KOS-MOS

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So with the announcement of Crash 4 for switch, ppl are theorizing Crash is next

what if the 5ch leak said not just the characters but their intended order as well? I.e. after Sephiroth is Crash first, then Reimu, and ending with KOS-MOS

I think if Crash is in, he'll be revealed at E3 because of his legendary iconic status. Also, was Crash in that leak? I don't remember.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think if Crash is in, he'll be revealed at E3 because of his legendary iconic status. Also, was Crash in that leak? I don't remember.

OP essentially implied Sephiroth and Crash were “pseudo-Sony reps” as if acknowledging the fan base speculating a possible Sony rep

 

[RetrogamerMax]

OP essentially implied Sephiroth and Crash were “pseudo-Sony reps” as if acknowledging the fan base speculating a possible Sony rep

I really hope either this leak with KOS-MOS and Reimu and Crash or the other 5chan leak that had Chun-Li and Lloyd or Yuri turns out true instead of the other leak with Doomslayer, Rayman, and Hayabusa because the 3rd option would leave me a little disappointed about the rest of the Pass.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I really hope either this leak with KOS-MOS and Reimu and Crash or the other 5chan leak that had Chun-Li and Lloyd or Yuri turns out true instead of the other leak with Doomslayer, Rayman, and Hayabusa because the 3rd option would leave me a little disappointed about the rest of the Pass.

The Doomguy/Hayabusa/Rayman one is likely fake cause it also said Min Min and Ninjara. Ninjara’s a costume, not playable. Seemed more like a wishlist

and Chun-li/Lloyd/Yuri seemed to be more so for base game negotiations that fell through

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The Doomguy/Hayabusa/Rayman one is likely fake cause it also said Min Min and Ninjara. Ninjara’s a costume, not playable. Seemed more like a wishlist

and Chun-li/Lloyd/Yuri seemed to be more so for base game negotiations that fell through

The first one I agree on it being fake. The second one I think could still happen since that leaker also mentioned Erdrick, Byleth, Steve and Sephiroth 2 years before all of them were revealed. We just don't know yet how everything unfolded.

 

[MattX20]

At any rate, we've probably got about a month or so left at most for the reveal of FP9 since we know that Nintendo tries to avoid sales cannibalism and most assuredly won't release FP9 on the week of the 26th due to MH Rise. That leaves no later than the week of the 12th for a reveal and most likely the week after for the release to avoid sales cannibalism for both Crash 4 and MH Rise.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I really hope either this leak with KOS-MOS and Reimu and Crash or the other 5chan leak that had Chun-Li and Lloyd or Yuri turns out true instead of the other leak with Doomslayer, Rayman, and Hayabusa because the 3rd option would leave me a little disappointed about the rest of the Pass.

That "leak" was in a wishlist thread on 4chan. It is not a leak. It is just some guy's wishlist, who must be very happy so far.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That "leak" was in a wishlist thread on 4chan. It is not a leak. It is just some guy's wishlist, who must be very happy so far.

Mostly happy at least. RIP Ninjara

 

[ES. Dinah]

So with the announcement of Crash 4 for switch, ppl are theorizing Crash is next

what if the 5ch leak said not just the characters but their intended order as well? I.e. after Sephiroth is Crash first, then Reimu, and ending with KOS-MOS

I could see KOS-MOS ending it because like I said she is a literal one girl army that can provide much needed variety to smash and also the fact she's Bandai Namco could mean they wanted to wait to reveal her until the very end as the thank you character to Bandai Namco. I'm just speculating but I think that's possible. However, I dont see what Crash 4 coming to switch has to do with Crash being next and I dont see why Crash has to be at E3 or he's out. We've had Palutena revealed at E3 and just because Banjo was revealed at E3 doesn't mean Crash has to be. I think we should really temper expectations here even if Crash is next.

 

[the unholy Grail]

So with the announcement of Crash 4 for switch, ppl are theorizing Crash is next

what if the 5ch leak said not just the characters but their intended order as well? I.e. after Sephiroth is Crash first, then Reimu, and ending with KOS-MOS

I proposed the same question not too long ago. Personally? I'm leaning towards no. There's a chance the "swap theory" could be in play here so that may shuffle the reveal orders. and assuming the leak's real, someone would've needed to know the next reveals on top of getting the order right as well. It just sounds too accurate in my opinion but it's entirely possible this was someone who is either a developer, or someone with really good insider info, but even THAT needs to be called into question. Most credible insiders only leak/hint at one character per DLC, yet all of a sudden this random 5chan leak just decides to swoop in and potentially spoil the remaining DLC's with their reveals in order??? sounds unlikely to me, but we'll just have to wait for E3 which was just confirmed to come back digitally from June 15-17 with a preshow on the 14th. This could be Crash and Reimu's time to shine.

And on that note, let's say Crash is indeed the E3 reveal and no one else. While this wouldn't automatically solidify the 5chan leak as real, what it WILL do is kill the Rayman/Hayabusa/Doomslayer leak. And as for the Chun li/Lloyd/Yuri leak? that one could still technically happen since it's only claiming 2 characters, but Lloyd being included with Yuri who are nothing alike kills it for me.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That "leak" was in a wishlist thread on 4chan. It is not a leak. It is just some guy's wishlist, who must be very happy so far.

Which one? The Chun-Li/Tales Of leak, the KOS-MOS/Reimu/Crash leak or the Hayabusa/Doomslayer/Rayman leak?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Which one? The Chun-Li/Tales Of leak, the KOS-MOS/Reimu/Crash leak or the Hayabusa/Doomslayer/Rayman leak?

The Hayabusa/Doomguy/Rayman one

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The Hayabusa/Doomguy/Rayman one

Good because I hope that's the one that doesn't turn out to be true. I hope it's one of the other two leaks with Chun-Li or KOS-MOS in it as either one would make me happy.