Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

Super scummy response to what Joker said.

Surface level. Ew.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

But good townies don't waste time talking about how townie they look. They just do it. You're a player who knows better. That is some **** that I thought when I was a noob, and it's **** I've pretended to still believe when trying to appear noobtown as scum.

Remind me about this in end-game so I can tell you why you're wrong.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

End of page 3. Let me boil down what I think about this game.

Because there's no difference in behavior between scum and town, there is no distinguishing them during the day phase. Looking good for the tourney cop, that's about as far as it goes, and no scum would get caught on that, anything related to that is probably paranoia.
The goal of this game phases is to give a bye to a town to increase the likelihood of the cop investigating a scum.

Anyone disagree with this?

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

wait is there any rule against just bye-ing the same person continuously

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

I love it when my scumplay becomes so infamous that everything I do to seem townie is actually just me being a scum mastermind bent on the destruction of the whole town.

Your scum game is bad. Be happy, you're town right now in a game with me, otherwise scum'd be one player down from the get-go.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

oh my god no not you too jesus ****ing christ

lmao git fukd

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

Yeah you're scum. This post is terrible, I said you were scum before J, I said I will expand more tomorrow, and you are jumping at my throat.

I am half-assing because I HAVEN'T LAID THEM OUT YET

You're looking like a mighty fine investigate for our friend the tourney cop right now.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

also J/Lexja is a mixed bag as per usual. Gonna wait for Ryker and just ride on his read.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

You are an absolute moron this game if that's what you got from my post. I did have things to note, I didn't repeat laundry and if shtick is gonna be a reason for disliking the post too...uhm...too bad for you?

Seriously, stop playing with your head so far up your own *** just because you're being childish with this "Wah people said I'm bad so I must say they are bad even though I haven't even processed/read everything clearly."

At the moment, even if you are town, you are being a complete detriment.

It's J's time of the month, apparently.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

Really though, that reply is too hard too fast. Sounds like frustrated scum who gets dissed after putting a lot of effort in a post without it bearing fruit. Then again, it's just one reply.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

Okay, I'm gonna discuss with Seph about some slots and then maybe post. For now, we need direction. Drop any arguments you were having and discuss this:

End of page 3. Let me boil down what I think about this game.

Because there's no difference in behavior between scum and town, there is no distinguishing them during the day phase. Looking good for the tourney cop, that's about as far as it goes, and no scum would get caught on that, anything related to that is probably paranoia.
The goal of this game phases is to give a bye to a town to increase the likelihood of the cop investigating a scum.

Anyone disagree with this?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Request prod: thethirdkoopa and pawndidator2

Activity levels, in general, need to be better from some of the other slots in this game. You know who you are.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

HI GUYS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

...

oh

Anyways, 8 pages eh? I'll get on this tomorrow. I've got another game I'm catching up in but I'll lurk it now.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm really confused by the mechanics and before signing up I didn't even know I'd have these. Page 2 already, won't be doing much else tonight, but let's start.

The Tourney Cop is going to have to out eventually, he has to make a public guess regardless. The only thing we can do is to make it easier for him or her. In terms of scumhunting? I'll mention it later. I'll still be using FoS'es and the alike to show which players I think are being scummy and whatnot.

Why out a PR?

I do like that you're taking initiative though in making it easier to understand what's going on here. I'm also confused by the challenges and stuff. This is probably one of the more interesting games I've been in. Has there been a game like this in the past?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

There has been **** going on and he's willing to sit in the background? **** that noise.

Do something about it then

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

kantrip's #mad because he has no legit reason to dislike me so he's going to have to pull one out of his ass

 

[#HBC | Joker]

nope, this is a new, experimental setup.

The way the tourney cop works is that when this Morning phase is over, the tourney cop makes a guess, in public, of who he thinks might be scum. If he's right, the scum will be removed from the tournament, forever, and the tourney cop will take his place in bracket. This is why we want to make efforts to scumhunt. We can't expect the tourney cop to just find people at random. This is the closest thing we, as a town, have to a lynch. It's like a kingmaker setup, and the tourney cop is our king (with several obvious differences, but you get the idea) The only other lynch option we have is the more traditional option, but that's a one time use that we should probably be more careful with. We can't be afraid to use it, either. Town still needs to try and find scum, guys. Don't be blinded by the complex mechanics, or be fooled into treating this game too differently.

The other function the tourney cop serves is that he gets to choose a match he wants to watch, and if anyone opts to cheat during that match, they will be caught, and punished. In my opinion, this is a pretty minor role of the tourney cop. In fact, in this capacity, it's possible that the tourney cop can actually become anti-town. If they catch a townie cheating in a match vs a mafioso, when the mafia didn't, they would actually help them progress in bracket. So don't bank on this being how the tourney cop helps us beat the scum. This is very much a secondary function, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, getting to your posts I really want to know why you're asking a couple of things that happened ages ago and what you're thinking right now asking them. Like you randomly quoted something I said at literally day-start and you're just addressing it now. Why is it so important to you that I answer, more or less the fact you already think I'm fine? Are you doubting your read on me?

No, I had a thought on it and wanted to see if it bore any fruit from you answering it again to me(i believe whatever I asked you may have been asked already).

 

[#HBC | Joker]

kantrip's #mad because he has no legit reason to dislike me so he's going to have to pull one out of his ***

What's your current read on Kantrip? Your perfect record of reading him correctly is on the line.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm not doing this today at all.

Was going to try but #reallife

Kantrips town if's he's not trying at all and figuring out his reads the kantrip way(slowly and by being hated by a lot of the thread).

If it looks like he's trying real hard to be smart, or flaunting obvious reads for reactions, or just being wishy washy moreso then saying tomorrow and being whatever else it is that prompts my scum reads on him (I'll let you know if I feel it). the hang him high and hard

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

There's other stuff but it boils down to it's just really damn obvious when he rolls scum

/Rake's Rollin out now

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I don't get the whole match thing. Kingmaker, sure, but match thing, no. Going to not treat this too differently though even if it's experimental.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Well, the winner of the game isn't actually going to be decided by whether or not we can find the scum, and rid ourselves of them. This is an option, yes, but it's not the only one. In fact, outside of us using our one-shot player removal on a townie, there's no way for town to actually lose numbers. The whole "Match" system is actually what will decide the winner of this game. Every other mechanic is just there to aid that one, and bring it into a "mafia" setting.

Go read the rules very carefully. The game specific ones, especially. This setup is very different, indeed, but this "Morning" phase is far and away the most similar to a typical mafia game. It's just not the only one, or even the most important one. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make the best use of it we possibly can. Failing to do so would be doing ourselves a disservice.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm not doing this today at all.

Was going to try but #reallife

Kantrips town if's he's not trying at all and figuring out his reads the kantrip way(slowly and by being hated by a lot of the thread).

If it looks like he's trying real hard to be smart, or flaunting obvious reads for reactions, or just being wishy washy moreso then saying tomorrow and being whatever else it is that prompts my scum reads on him (I'll let you know if I feel it). the hang him high and hard

ok, that's a bunch of you talking about how you go about reading kantrip, but that's not what I asked for.

What is your read on him?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Idk. bother me about it in a couple days. I need to go blow off a lot of frustration and steam and itès not likely im going to read this game for that time.

 

[Kantrip]

Rake lays out exactly how he claims to read me. Within those parameters is my play this game and yet he puts off giving a read on me for "a couple days." Why? I honestly don't think Rake is trying to read me. I've seen townRake try to read me in games before. All he's done in this game is look mechanically at the setup and say a whole lot of nothing.

A summary of what Rake said in our hotel room:

Introduces himself as an alcoholic
WATT asks him how he plans to approach the match mechanic. Rake responds saying he plans to "win them."
WATT says that's not what he meant, Rake does not give any other answer
Posts a list of 4 "tips" to help with the setup. These include that we should remember which restaurants get poisoned, that mafia members are going to switch hotel rooms a lot, that we shouldn't cheat unless we're low on points, and that we should only use the suspicion mechanic on people who were caught cheating.
Says some stuff about how we should pick mains with different colours and that everything else is random luck.
WATT and I both ask for clarification on things and ask why he says his third and fourth point. He responds that they should be common sense and gives us nothing more.

Now, personally I wanted Rake in my hotel room so he could try to read me early and I could see if it looked like he was actually doing it or not. Well, he's not even trying.

More later but I'm busy now, pce

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Idk. bother me about it in a couple days. I need to go blow off a lot of frustration and steam and itès not likely im going to read this game for that time.

I don't need a detailed explanation of why, I just want to know what your opinion of Kantrip is. Surely this doesn't require research? You've been following the game at least a little, yes? Give me your feels about Kantrip.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry for being less active than usual. I was very busy with preperations for my agame.

End of page 3. Let me boil down what I think about this game.

Because there's no difference in behavior between scum and town, there is no distinguishing them during the day phase. Looking good for the tourney cop, that's about as far as it goes, and no scum would get caught on that, anything related to that is probably paranoia.
The goal of this game phases is to give a bye to a town to increase the likelihood of the cop investigating a scum.

Anyone disagree with this?

I don't. That's why I think it's very important to cover the tourney cop for as long as possible. I've been thinking about the best way to do that - I think it'd be smart if we tried to find a consensus on whom should be investigated by the cop. Then EVERYBODY will publicly announce that player as his investigation target. That way we can make sure that the cop won't be outed, even if he investigates a scumbag. We can give byes to cleared players. As long as the tourney cop is alive MAF cannot possibly win this game, I believe.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Actually made my day PJB lol.

Iunno, Ironically kantrip saying I'm not trying to read him is pretty funny considering I feel the same about him towards me. I want to say his non-committal is null but I think it runs to the side of scum , I find myself agreeing with soup, that he was just looking for something to stick. Or moreso like he threw out the floater idea of my being scum to see what kind of bite he got on it. It's weird because I called him a damn fool and probably town, but I've gone over Kantrip a little and I don't find myself picking up a lot of early kantrip town tells like I normally would.

Plus the things he doesn't like me for are a lot of null tells that I think Knatrip's just now trying to twist into half a scum read to substantiate himself on it after being called out on it, the concerns he's listing off mainly occurred before game start and yet when prompted he had to go back to get them like they are easily forgettable or not so telling he'd be able to rattle them off like a condemnation. From mypov, that means he's just looking for reasons to label me as scum, rather than actually read me, and i don't think it's townTrip who's doing it mistakenly atm. I don't see Kantrip trying to understand my intentions.

Like, wrt Kantrip's first paragraph: I don't know what he expects me to be saying that would change his read drastically, and I haven't even taken as mechanical a look at the set up as he's asserting. The idea that there exists a special way or series of posts that would enlighten kantrip to my amazing townhood baffles me. And yeah, I didn't clarify, because the points I made were extremely obvious, them asking for clarification was just a useless question, it doesn't help them if I baby-sit them and spell out every little thing I'm thinking or meaning, that's neither my job, nor am I going to waste my time doing it.

Kantrip's assertion that "Seeing me read him in other games" as opposed to what I'm doing now isn't entirely wrong, but the other fact is, i do both and either when I read him, and even in his little blurb about me, he doesn't assert why my non-commital to reading him is scummy over me just being a lazy prick, or as he should know after the many games we've been in together, me doing it at my own speed and my own way. I believe he doesn't make that distinction because he can't, i.e: he knows upon trying to stretch my actions into larger scum tells then they are, he's by-proxy going to be pulled into the spotlight, which he doesn't want.

I also don't really get Kantrip's assertion that he wanted me in his hotel room specifically so I would read him early, i'm going to read everyone. What difference does it make for his read on me, when i've done both the trying and not trying method as town with him. What does my approach tell him about my alignment ?

there ya go. Now, PJB, can you answer my question to you ?
Also: go further into depth on your Kantrip read.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm not dumb enough to scumslip.

bahaha. I'm not gonna go ahead and go quote BIM/RR's Toonami and prove you wrong.

He's literally describing the situation from the perspective of being scum who wants to defeat town. It totally looks like something that could be interpreted as a scumslip.

I thought it might be a too, but I never put any stock in word slips because it's very easy for people to just take things out of context. There's no reason for us to assume soup isn't just referring to a hypothetical situation where he's scum, because that's what he's being accused of.

You and Rake had it right. I still think it's a slip, but we'll go ahead and disregard it for now unless I see more.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

**** Ran you're like golden this game please be ****ing town with me do you see the *********** that is being spewed in this goddamn thread Kantrip is not even close to townie nor was his post anything ****ing good and i just what the hell did I step into the wrong game

Quit ****ing ******** soup. You're getting to that gheb level of "it'll be easier to deal with the game after he's out of it". Also tell me why Kantrips post wasn't good.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I initially thought WATT was Orbo/Rake for a second so that's why I town-read him, however, I still like them as I feel they're trying to move the thread in a positive direction. It's good so far but this town-read for me is fading fast, because I initially disliked a couple of things about him. One of those things being his pointless readslist earlier yesterday which I felt added nothing and he was just posting for the sake of posting it. This isn't a good direction because it literally said nothing and there wasn't a solid stance to be found.

I have like, literally no problem with Rake. I don't understand his hate at all and I have skimmed some of his posts but his interaction with me was fine. Is there something specific someone can tell me about him that you dislike? I'm really angry with the game because I feel like a ton of people are stating intent to dislike someone but not following through as to why it is. Maybe I'm being impatient, but if I'm writing this wall for you going off 2 days then **** people, it shouldn't be hard. Is everyone just afraid of being wrong or something? The initial feeling I got from Rake is that he doesn't want to be wrong here. He's taking his time and I actually like it more than dislike it. That's a gut feeling I get from his posts.

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It wasn't a readlist tho? I was literally saying "hey this is what i think of people's posting rate atm" It wasn't reflective of what I think of anyone in terms of alignment. Also it's all been one head so far as the other has been v/la due to family.
I don't like how Rake is dragging his feet in thread and how he responded in our hotel room. When I asked him how to approach the game he basically said "don't cheat" which is something that isn't in towns best interests imo.

I feel like one of my initial town-reads is going to be wrong because I truly don't believe that everyone posting right now is town. Could everyone give me a stance on inactives and what you think about all this? Are there other players who are being inactive more suspicious than others?

at this post

I like Soup and Rake.

Unbye

 

[Wots All This Then?]

wops forgot two quotes.

I feel like one of my initial town-reads is going to be wrong because I truly don't believe that everyone posting right now is town. Could everyone give me a stance on inactives and what you think about all this? Are there other players who are being inactive more suspicious than others?

Who's not town among the actives?
I feel like truely inactives will get weeded out by the tourney, as they'll not be able to make informed decisions. Ryker i'd watch for after GS.
@shoco-why?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Joker or PP should get the bye. I don't want it yet.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ Nabe & Gheb: the Internet I was suppose to have in a cabin broke so activity here and the Agame is gonna be iffy til I come back on Saturday.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Somebody thinks he's smart!

But I am not entirely convinced. Talking about characters the way you suggested will also make the info available for scum. It might not be as good an idea as you think it is because the cons could outweigh the pros - potentially by a lot.

Can you go into the bolded gheb?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Skimmed on phone,

Soup is playing in the way I used him for an endgame ML in Zen's game. I think he is getting too testy with people.

WL/j is cool with me.

Sponge bob Hyde is wierd that is all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

All means of removing players (from the tournament or the entire game) that are intended to be public are so, and are noted in the rules.

Bolded made me wonder if mafia has a way of taking players out that are not in the public rules/sample pms.

 

[Kantrip]

Rake, what motivation in this setup would I have for "trying to make something stick" as scum? There's no daily lynch, I don't think scum's going to be too focused on reaching for scumreads.