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#HBC | Joker

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Don't be dumb PJB. I never told him to not say anything. I told him to give reasons for his reads, yet he doesn't want to. It gives him a chance to 'do things' without really doing them.

***** please.
It's not like he told you he'd get to them tomorrow or anything. If we could lynch him, we totally should, based solely on the fact that he doesn't wish to flesh out all his reads in full detail at 4 in the morning, simply because you told him he had to.
 

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He's asking others to do work without him doing any himself first. It's not that hard for him to give some reasoning. Yet you are totally fine with him fluffing the thread without backing up his accusations? I think you are giving him too much benefit of the doubt. I also don't see what your problem is with me saying he shouldn't clog the thread... it creates a distraction. >_>
 

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Super Fab I'd like you to do some work for me.

Get off my back.

Think you can do that? Minimum wage. kthxbye
 

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I have already done some for free, baby.

Also I'm done for the night. I expect your homework at my desk by 1:00 PM. Good Day.
 

#HBC | Joker

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but he already said he wasn't going to get to it until tomorrow. If he doesn't deliver on that, then fine, go ahead and hound him about it. But until then, YOU are the one clogging the thread by pestering him about it over and over.

It's not unreasonable for him to demand substantiation from people, regardless of whether he's done it himself or not. Like I said, he has already told us that he's going to get to it tomorrow. If you told him the same, I'm sure he'd accept that too. There's nothing wrong with you guys requesting clarification from each other.
 

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I expect you'll get my reads when you get them and be happy about it. I'm one of the only people progressing this thread in a positive direction and all I get is more *****ing that I'm not doing enough.
 

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Well hello my beauties. Today is just a marvelous day, don't you think? Feeling pretty fabulous right now!

Soup, my darling, what on earth do you mean about J's post? Why, it's simply remarkable! The shine! The beauty! The fabulousness of J's post... Can you not see it? It is a marvelous entrance post if I do say so myself; regardless of the fact that some of his opinions may have been repeats. I highly suggest relooking it over before being such a naughty boy you silly goose. Also, the way you're responding to Kantrip with your "Tell me why I'm wrong" when he's repeatedly told you that J has brought new opinions to the table... It doesn't look good on you honey. I suggest a makeover with lot's of purple! Let's make it happen!

Yoohoo! Picture Perfect! While I've loved a lot of your posts, and while I have simply ADORED your catch up posts mister Laundry (along with the previously mentioned J post), I seem to be a little confused. How fabulous/townie is Soup according to the Laundry half? I've seen Laundry post saying that he didn't think Soup was very fabulous, but then, being the hunk you are, you decide to go macho man and suddenly say "Oh now you're town" and I'm simply confused by the amount of fabulousness that Soup currently obtains in your eyes. Your swift movements seem to be a little too manly for a guy like me *blush*. Also, your hotel room sounded pretty boring. I could make it a real party if you want sweetie ;). Just tell me when <3~

Red Ryu I love you! I want to see you post more outside of a bye vote for yourself and a few questions! It's simply marvelous watching you play, so you need to play more. I can't form an actual read on you until you decide to share your company! Why did you decide to vote for yourself, though? I'm also not quite sure about any of your reads... I hope you get the chance to make some reads soon instead of focusing on mechanics my beautiful!

I'm looking forward to more Kantrip! He is on FIRE today! I mostly feel that way because I can't see how Kantrip's interaction with Soup can make Kantrip look bad. It's not like Kantrip jumped on a bandwagon or anything, and his points were very firm, just the way I like 'em ;). Thanks for getting sassy with my other half. He deserves a little sass every now and again, especially after what he said to you. Saying you were parroting J's read when you simply said you partially agreed with his statements (along with the fact that you said you would expand tomorrow) is just... Girl, don't worry, I understand your need to get sassy. I'll set the boy straight for you. Maybe afterwards we can get some coffee and enjoy a nice long lunch. What do you say, buttercup? ;). You can explain all of those naughty details about your dislike of my slot while we enjoy a nice small meal. Sounds pretty wonderful to me!

Rake, I'm a little lost with you honey. What on earth are your reads right now? Has anything changed since you said something along the lines of "Soup is fine, and I don't have any scum reads yet."? I feel that you should have a few more reads now considering the amount of play that isn't focused on just Soup! How do you feel about that hunk Picture Perfect? They're looking pretty marvelous right now, don't you think? Also, how do you feel about Kantrip's wonderful outfit? Oh, fine, I guess you can talk about his posts as well.

PJB, looks like you're the last on my list of people to talk to! Always gotta save the best for last, right? ;). You seem pretty tense, actually. Why don't you sit down and relax for a little bit? While you're sitting, can I ask you about how you feel regarding my slot? You seem pretty upset with us, but I can't seem to tell if that is because you think we're scummy or if Ranmaru's constant yelling at Kantrip made you angry... I hope we didn't upset you darling. We're just trying to show our fabulousness to everyone. Just let it all out and tell me the truth, sweetie.

(If it's too difficult to comprehend my thoughts and questions, I'll stop posting like this. :p)
 

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PJB, looks like you're the last on my list of people to talk to! Always gotta save the best for last, right? ;). You seem pretty tense, actually. Why don't you sit down and relax for a little bit? While you're sitting, can I ask you about how you feel regarding my slot? You seem pretty upset with us, but I can't seem to tell if that is because you think we're scummy or if Ranmaru's constant yelling at Kantrip made you angry... I hope we didn't upset you darling. We're just trying to show our fabulousness to everyone. Just let it all out and tell me the truth, sweetie.
My issues with your slot mostly stem from the direct opposition it has taken to almost everything I think about the game state. Like, I know that it's a fallacy for me to think that because I'm town, and I think X, but you think Y, therefore you must not be town. That would be silly. But when it's literally everything, it starts to feel like something is up. When I think PP and Kantrip both seem perfectly fine, but soup and Rake seem off, but your slot thinks soup and Rake are perfectly fine, but PP and Kantrip seem off, that raises some red flags.

Discuss with your hydra partner, solidify your stances, and get back to me. We're not gonna play this "Oh my other half? He's just being a silly billy!" game all the time. I know getting coordinated with your partner can be a pain at first, but it's not gonna fly if it devolves into you guys being a bipolar slot.
 

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I don't have time to post a lot right now but there's one thing that I really want to talk about. Like, all this scumhunting as dandy and fine and I totally support it but ...

... what are we actually going to do when we think we have found a scumbag?

:059:
 

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I don't have time to post a lot right now but there's one thing that I really want to talk about. Like, all this scumhunting as dandy and fine and I totally support it but ...

... what are we actually going to do when we think we have found a scumbag?

:059:
Hope our Tourney Cop is paying attention, and catches them.
 

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Not Super Fab's. J's post can literally summarized "I don't particularily have anything to note besides what has already been said but let me get out my .gif folder and go on about things already addressed or mentioned by my previous head."
You are an absolute moron this game if that's what you got from my post. I did have things to note, I didn't repeat laundry and if shtick is gonna be a reason for disliking the post too...uhm...too bad for you?

Seriously, stop playing with your head so far up your own ass just because you're being childish with this "Wah people said I'm bad so I must say they are bad even though I haven't even processed/read everything clearly."

At the moment, even if you are town, you are being a complete detriment.
 

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Rake, I'm a little lost with you honey. What on earth are your reads right now? Has anything changed since you said something along the lines of "Soup is fine, and I don't have any scum reads yet."? I feel that you should have a few more reads now considering the amount of play that isn't focused on just Soup! How do you feel about that hunk Picture Perfect? They're looking pretty marvelous right now, don't you think? Also, how do you feel about Kantrip's wonderful outfit? Oh, fine, I guess you can talk about his posts as well.

Why are you lost ?


No, I would be talking about Soup if my opinion had changed, he had some posts I wanted to touch on but not much more than that, to my recollection. I'm just alright with PP right now, he can dredge as much repetitive content as he likes so long as he's actually achieving something with it and not posturing a position out of his ass, plus his suspicion of me echoes of dumbtown J who lynched me and Orbo in Cirfia for just plain not understanding how I play. Kantrip's a damn fool and probably town.

IDK how you figure J is fabulous, but the fact that ran is actually posting and not lurking like scumRan is enough to make me feel like it's that thing were Ran buddies player's he likes somewhat to try to read them. So it's null.

I suppose I should ask you why your so hard up for PP. Honestly your giving J way too much credit for making his post nice and pretty imo. But I'll let it slide as a null tell on your part.
 

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Also, I have very little reads and probably won't have anything solid till the inactives and non poster's actually get in here. Call it dissatisfaction or whatever but nothing is even vaguely catching my interest atm and my gut isn't giving me any feels, so instead of being proactive like in Cirfia and getting lynched for it, I'm going to be a lazy ass, and have hella tight reads at some point.
 

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Joker, what specifically do you find unreasonable with my approach ?

I know you disagree with me about soup, and yeah I saw your defensiveness point, didn't tickle my interest at all though, maybe help me push Ryu ?

he should be talking more. honestly I'm pretty bored so if you've got anything interesting on your mind, I'm all ears.
 

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Do my eyes deceive me? Did the Day phase really start? Good. Hi everyone. Our room was discussing how we would use the byes, and we've come to the conclusion that it would be better to give townies a bye instead of the MAF. Does anyone disagree? I understand that isn't a Mafia game at heart but there are plenty of tools to scumhunt here and I don't want people to ignore them.

What would someone disagreeing have gotten you ?
 

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If they want to show me up and somehow prove I have scum intention in my actions then be my guest. I have no reason to worry because the only thing I really have to look out for is winning in matches and moving farther up in the brackets. I'm fine with WATT. Least comfortable? I don't know yet.

Tell me your feels on Gheb
 

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Not Super Fab's. J's post can literally summarized "I don't particularily have anything to note besides what has already been said but let me get out my .gif folder and go on about things already addressed or mentioned by my previous head."
I'm fairly certain he mentioned **** about Super Fabulous and Gheb, two slots I haven't addressed myself.
 

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These reasons are kinda why I dislike PP too. J's post sucked because it didn't really add anything and it seemed like J just wanted to rush out a post instead of actually doing something worthwhile. There's a lot of things I would like answered and usually I would think J would be on top of it instead of leaving me with guessing. WashedLaundry's multi-post spew wasn't **** to me and I would love to see them actually get down and doing things because posting a ****ing face isn't anything.
@Bolded: Like what? I can't answer them if you don't ask them.

I've already stated before that J is currently trying to hold down two jobs, one of which he just got and is currently in training for. I dunno what you want from him but strong activity and being on top of things probably shouldn't be one of them.
 

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Why does Mafia always make me angry lately I just why I remember when I ****ing liked being town and playing the game but now I just every ****ing game is a fight ****ing damnit this game doesn't even have lynches for christ sakes
I remember those games. Those games consisted of you actually doing townie things at the start of the game and being unquestionably town. There have been plenty of games as scum where I'd get in the game and immediately say "**** it Soup's town gg" because I know that at any point no one will lynch you. All of those traits, all of those behaviors, and none of that mentality is present here. What I see is an angry and agitated Soup who got mad defensive for getting called out because his actions prior to that point were to discuss game mechanics and find a way to call himself town and nothing else, as well as randomly getting on people for calling WATT town for something other than your biased opinion of what they were doing. You keep seeking trust and for people to read you as town and get mad when neither of those happen. Yes, townies want them but is it wrong to be suspicious of you for making them your top priorities?
 

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Here's my problem. You are parroting J's stance on me, after I have explained to him why it was a bad stance. Yet you still say it's partially tied to what he said. You really aren't trying to read me. Your reasoning for Rake isn't going to fly. You are half-assing your stances even now, and I don't see how me defending Soup is a problem when your original stance is weak, which you won't even back up.



i mean i'm surprised kanty showed back up after saying he wouldn't put the work in but still, this is getting ridiculous ran
 

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Yoohoo! Picture Perfect! While I've loved a lot of your posts, and while I have simply ADORED your catch up posts mister Laundry (along with the previously mentioned J post), I seem to be a little confused. How fabulous/townie is Soup according to the Laundry half? I've seen Laundry post saying that he didn't think Soup was very fabulous, but then, being the hunk you are, you decide to go macho man and suddenly say "Oh now you're town" and I'm simply confused by the amount of fabulousness that Soup currently obtains in your eyes. Your swift movements seem to be a little too manly for a guy like me *blush*. Also, your hotel room sounded pretty boring. I could make it a real party if you want sweetie ;). Just tell me when <3~
Don't get me wrong, I dislike the slot, I was just making note of those two posts as reasons why I'm not 100% convinced he's scum.
 

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I don't have time to post a lot right now but there's one thing that I really want to talk about. Like, all this scumhunting as dandy and fine and I totally support it but ...

... what are we actually going to do when we think we have found a scumbag?

:059:
**** if I know, actually. We do have our one removal but after that point, it's hard for me to say.
 

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You are an absolute moron this game if that's what you got from my post. I did have things to note, I didn't repeat laundry and if shtick is gonna be a reason for disliking the post too...uhm...too bad for you?

Seriously, stop playing with your head so far up your own *** just because you're being childish with this "Wah people said I'm bad so I must say they are bad even though I haven't even processed/read everything clearly."

At the moment, even if you are town, you are being a complete detriment.
Quoting. Hey bby.
 

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Also, I have very little reads and probably won't have anything solid till the inactives and non poster's actually get in here. Call it dissatisfaction or whatever but nothing is even vaguely catching my interest atm and my gut isn't giving me any feels, so instead of being proactive like in Cirfia and getting lynched for it, I'm going to be a lazy ***, and have hella tight reads at some point.



There has been **** going on and he's willing to sit in the background? **** that noise.
 

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Yeah I was misinterpreted and my points didn't come across through the "flavor" text (idk what to call it loool) :|. I'll just stop. Posts like that are fun though </3.

J/Washed Laundry town.
Soup slight town lean (Leaving this for Ranmaru personally. Angry town/mafia is not my territory).
We actually kind of forgot to talk about Rake. Oopsies >_>. I guess I'll withhold my own opinion until we talk it out.
PJB is hyperactive. Ranmaru and I both agreed that he's super aggro this time around, but I honestly have no clue what that means when it comes to an actual read >_>. My personal read on him is null because I honestly don't remember much actual content from him sorriez ;_;. I liked his recent post in response to us though, so I'll talk that over with Ranmaru c:.
Kantrip is honestly the only read we're really conflicted about, so I won't say anything about that lol.
Obv no read on Ryu or Gheb. Has anyone else even posted?

Kantrip actually summed up why I liked J's post and why I am mad at Soup for trying to put J in the light for such a post. I was praising it because Soup was doing the exact opposite honestly. Was trying to get humor going but I'll just leave that to the pros </3. Seriously though. J had legit stances in there, and I definitely don't agree that J's first post into the game could really be that bad, even if it were saying "hey, I agree with everything my other half has said" or "What Kantrip said was 100% right. I agree with his stances, which was why I liked his post". At least he's bringing his thoughts onto the table before he even begins to answer questions/actually get into the game, right? But honestly, and Kantrip covered this already, but look at his reads. TvTvT? Nobody said anything about a TvTvT prior to J. The only one that was even remotely close to saying that was maaybe Laundry (his other half lool)? TvTvT was a brand new read, and he summarized how he felt about them all very well. Thinking we're scum was the same idea. While the read wasn't new, he was the first one to actually go in depth about why he felt that way. I'm ignoring the hunches and his nulls because obviously those don't hold as much merit at the current time (Sorry J </3), but yeah. His post was fine, yet Soup tries to make a scene with it calling it the worst post ever that is just repeating things other people have said (which simply isn't true). After that, Soup trying to say "TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG BRUH!!" after Kantrip has told him why he's wrong two or three times... I just had to praise J to oppose Soup's mentality towards the post XD. Sorry haha.

Ahh. Thank you for clarifying your read on us, PJB. Completely missed that if you stated it earlier lol. Can't really argue against that, as I can't say that it's not true... So have a picture of a kitty!



D'awww :3. Kitties! On the other hand, while I did play the "my silly partner :3" card for his constant barrage of comments towards Kantrip, which honestly a lot of us can say was pretty harsh and pointless and those line of posts made me mad myself(sorry Ranmaru ;_; ), I've been trying to avoid blaming things on my partner (who is almost perfect Ranmaru da bess :D). Were there any other comments that seemed like I was trying to blame Ranmaru so that I can clarify on them? :|

Rake, I understand your desire to wait for more interesting things, so just tell us when you get more reads please c:. I'll be waiting!~ For PP and Kantrip, why is Kantrip a fool? You said that PP can repeat stuff that has already been said as long as they have achieved something, so what do you think they have achieved in order to make them seem 'fine'?
 

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You are an absolute moron this game if that's what you got from my post. I did have things to note, I didn't repeat laundry and if shtick is gonna be a reason for disliking the post too...uhm...too bad for you?

Seriously, stop playing with your head so far up your own *** just because you're being childish with this "Wah people said I'm bad so I must say they are bad even though I haven't even processed/read everything clearly."

At the moment, even if you are town, you are being a complete detriment.
First off, I was tired and angry with the game already. Second off, I still hold to some of the things I said but I've taken a breather. I don't know, the initial reaction I got from your post late at night is that it felt rushed, and that's what I really wanted to point out more than anything. One of your points I wanted to address is why you think WATT/Rake holds one scum, because that read wasn't substantiated. Why are you putting them together right now? Your post seems to imply that (mostly) everyone who has posted is town. Do you believe the rest of scum is in the inactives?

I'm gonna try and keep a cool head, and remember why I liked this game in the first place. I was trying too hard to do things on my own. I don't need your pity either but there are things that I have been keeping back in my head that I've been wanting to address. I'm getting to that post in a minute.



 

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Yeah you're scum. This post is terrible, I said you were scum before J, I said I will expand more tomorrow, and you are jumping at my throat.

I am half-assing because I HAVEN'T LAID THEM OUT YET
Kantrip, I don't take back that what I don't like of you this game is that you're very certain of yourself. This post reads like me when I get angry, but It's hard to discern what kind of angry you're being right now here. You showed interest to check the thread earlier, and yes, you can get to things tommorow but was it really that ****ing hard to answer him? You even go so far into your post saying literally "Rake did some things islike-able but I can't really recall them right now without a re-read." If it was solid enough to state it, then why is it so hard to put into context? I don't understand why you couldn't all that time you were complaining about getting to it tomorrow to just spit it out.
 

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I don't town-read PP or Kantrip.
I like PJB, Super Fab, WATT, and Rake. Yes, Rake.
I am uncertain of Gheb. I am uncertain of Red Ryu.

A bad pattern I was seeing was people jumping on the self-bye thing I did earlier on. I didn't have intention to actually self-bye, and I just wanted people to react to it. I think we should bye people we town-read and not ourselves. Call me captain obvious but I haven't seen some of the players throw down a Bye? What the hell is stopping you? I feel Byes could solidify more where people's heads are at and where they are putting their trust.

I don't like PP because I see nothing that makes me want to think they're town. Yes, there is some meta in my head as to why I think this, but both slots haven't convinced me.

I don't like Kantrip for um well obvious reasons I've ranted about in nearly every post I made and goddamn is it frustrating to see people town-read him because please tell me how the **** you're town-reading him when he can't even be consistent with one of his own reads. The Rake dodging makes me like Rake more because I would suspect that if ScumTrip was partners with Rake he would be more willing to distance instead of pussyfooting about it. It makes me think that Kantrip is just slinging mud and hoping it sticks.

Ran's really town, and not just because he's defending me. No, I don't town-read him because of that, I town-read him because this is typical ran out for everyone and wanting to get **** done. His late-night push on Kantrip made me like him more because I could tell that Ranmaru actually gave a **** and he wasn't just trying to look good. A noticeable thing about Ranmaru isn't so far to say that he lurks when he's scum, rather it's how he pushes people. I feel scumaru would pussyfoot around with a bunch of irrelevant questions and never come to conclusions because he isn't comfortable. He seems comfortable and not afraid to say what's on his mind. Joey isn't half-bad either, though I haven't particularly looked at his paragraph wall.

I initially thought WATT was Orbo/Rake for a second so that's why I town-read him, however, I still like them as I feel they're trying to move the thread in a positive direction. It's good so far but this town-read for me is fading fast, because I initially disliked a couple of things about him. One of those things being his pointless readslist earlier yesterday which I felt added nothing and he was just posting for the sake of posting it. This isn't a good direction because it literally said nothing and there wasn't a solid stance to be found.

I have like, literally no problem with Rake. I don't understand his hate at all and I have skimmed some of his posts but his interaction with me was fine. Is there something specific someone can tell me about him that you dislike? I'm really angry with the game because I feel like a ton of people are stating intent to dislike someone but not following through as to why it is. Maybe I'm being impatient, but if I'm writing this wall for you going off 2 days then **** people, it shouldn't be hard. Is everyone just afraid of being wrong or something? The initial feeling I got from Rake is that he doesn't want to be wrong here. He's taking his time and I actually like it more than dislike it. That's a gut feeling I get from his posts.

PJB is fine. I can't recall the specific reasons but I did like what he posted earlier and my interaction with him. I feel like his read on me is genuine, and that's really it.

Gheb is shady. I don't understand him. His earlier posts don't give me a vibe of anything really. He needs to start laying down reads, but that's already obvious enough.

I don't care for Ryu because of the Self-Bye thing and I feel like his content is lacking right now. I don't have much else on him other than that, but it's leaning me towards being cautious as I feel Ryu was just trying to look townie and following the current trend of Self-Byeing,
 

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I feel like one of my initial town-reads is going to be wrong because I truly don't believe that everyone posting right now is town. Could everyone give me a stance on inactives and what you think about all this? Are there other players who are being inactive more suspicious than others?
 

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Rake, getting to your posts I really want to know why you're asking a couple of things that happened ages ago and what you're thinking right now asking them. Like you randomly quoted something I said at literally day-start and you're just addressing it now. Why is it so important to you that I answer, more or less the fact you already think I'm fine? Are you doubting your read on me?
 

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Do my eyes deceive me? Did the Day phase really start? Good. Hi everyone. Our room was discussing how we would use the byes, and we've come to the conclusion that it would be better to give townies a bye instead of the MAF. Does anyone disagree? I understand that isn't a Mafia game at heart but there are plenty of tools to scumhunt here and I don't want people to ignore them.
No.

I'm still dwelling on it. You failed to bring to light any options I have not considered myself yet.
 
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