Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Wots All This Then?]

I suppose so? Lol.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay, now compare all of those posts to the ones Gheb was salty. Is his attitude similar to his outbursts in this game?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I want to be in a room with people I'm trying to get a read on, and I disliked soup when I requested the switch (as I do again).

Nope you're right.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Okay, now compare all of those posts to the ones Gheb was salty. Is his attitude similar to his outbursts in this game?

my point was that he doesn't get anywhere near as salty during his scumplay as he seems to be here. If you have quotes that show this to be otherwise, that's cool, but I don't recall them. I think it's because gheb knows people are right in attacking him when he is scum so he doesn't feel the need to lash out

 

[Picture Perfect]

Nope you're right.

interesting

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I had the thought that kantrip not playing a match with soup was because of how he was scumreading him, but let's go with a more direct approach.
@kantrip why match with shoco?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Shoco can answer that as well.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I reread the whole damn thread over night phase and I'll paraphrase it into the thread I guess.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

it meaning my posts of noteworthy posts I wanted PJB and rakes opinions on but only pjb started to touch it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

71 town feels from kantrip here.
97 soup commenting on my alignment reminds me of how he opened Ryu's toonami.
109 is a town vibes kinda post.
Soup what the hell was ryker referring to in 113?
wanted opinions on 114.
We agreed 126 was a townrake sort of post.
185 and 198 townie posts imo..
does 208 have a point behind it?
214 feels misguided but I don't think it is scum.
Soup Ran buddying prolly holds one scum in the relationship if any.
Prolly Soup in that Case^
the attitude in 240 is so un-ran like. Unsure if scumm ran like though
243 so Rantown though ugh. Wonder if his experiance in Circfia made ranscum better?(Circfia=Scott Pilgrim) (Marshy was coaching ran in the scum qt while he was alive fyi)
Soup and Shoco both mentioning Rake as town early on unsubstantiated is probably meaning he is actually town if they both flip scum.(273 soup 179 shoco)
283 surface level scummy and slightly scummy motivations wise. 285 a connection between shoco/soup?
300 holds merit imo.
as does 310
321 kantrip can't back up his ****.
Gheb trying to pass off my idea with pseudocopping in 343 for townpoints?>
390 doe

399 says a lot of nothing.
465 I like.
481 grimy from fab wrt soup.
523 trying to kill meaningfull discussion. Dislike On principle.
549 so GARGH SOUP YOU SUCK. Is this what ryker was talking about?
reasoning for scumreads in 585 is rather off :/
602 still the case rake?
674 uses a ghebtown mindset.
last sentence of 722 rake.
751 needs commenting on imo
783 Rake ლ(｀ー´ლ)
788 gheb town?
800 straight ran town.
814 good **** Pix
848 is hypocritical in retrospect.
wonder why 860's reaction though.
909 so surface level though
soup v kantrip painful to reread. kantrip is scum if either imo.
opinions on 974?
1025 Dat's my partner
does the third line of 1033 have merit? (kantrip and soup both...)
Unsure what second line of 1049 means in retrospect. Needs clarification yes?
1157 gives impression of Xonar townreading rake simply because he isn't posting a****ton, Xonie type thing to give a pass for but still dislike.
1172 contradicts 1170
1253 surface level town from pawn, which is enough for him in this case.
1255 ran y u so dense?
joker thought process behind 1258?-this was explained by joker as not wanting to count on match results because there's almost no way to verify them.
who agrees with 1278?
1310 to both of, is Fab right?
is 1316 right and I need to stop being an info-Nazi?
Fab which head made 1357
how ******** is 1377 or is it just me?
1447 so ghebtown it hurts.
rake 1511 you said you wanted to see gheb vs PP play out, did you get anything form that point on?
Also Rake talk about 1534
ttk nulltown yes guys?

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

I talked to Seph and he thinks it's fine if Gheb goes. So we are willing to hammer if needed. As for the bye I'm just going to give it to one of my town reads.

Bye: Rake

 

[Wots All This Then?]

PP or I should get the bye today imo. Maybe fab.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

His posts inthread? Don't believe so. No way of knowing from the first round of our match though.

Are you factoring in the second newbie game where he was town?
Mkay. The color wheel won't help you in determining if he cheated or now, as cheated outcomes will show a normal winning move to the opponent.
Gimme more content like this and I won't have to.

Yes.

We talked about this match stuff overnight, feel free to parrot it for PP so I don't have to.

Rake, what were the two colors you received and what colors did you know of Gheb's character? Please do not actually state them.

(I can confirm Koops didn't cheat in my instance

Ugh let me check

Also Rake talk about 1534

What about it ?
Caught up now.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I just know gheb used the same thing over and over, I think.

PP

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yes.

We talked about this match stuff overnight, feel free to parrot it for PP so I don't have to.
What about it ?
Caught up now.

Does PP have a point wrt gheb or is gheb more likely playing terrible town?
Also I'll recap it for him in private after tomorrow.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I still don't see Ghebscum.

Kantrip still needs to die, Pawn still very dicey.

Koopa is town.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

idk i honestly skimmed PP's giant gheb post so I could catch up, I don't really agree with what I read though.

I'll take a in depth look at it later

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What about pawn is dicey?

 

[Dooms]

Ranmaru made 1357. I hardly talked in the match phase at all (that's where I got way behind and lost all motivation for this game), so almost all of the posts in the match phase were by him.

 

[Dooms]

Unvote Removal

I want to talk Gheb over with Ranmaru considering the new stances on things.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

huh. that makes that post feel that much more off to me, but whatevs you're almost certainly town.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I just edited that

I'll post it but paraphrase it a bit :3

:3

 

[Thirdkoopa]

how is joker null? like unless you're considering all mechanical discussion and actions to be null, he should be sterling silver obvtown.

How the heck is he obvtown? Regardless, yeah. I'd put him towards town a bit at least, especially if more flips happen and he doesn't turn out to be scum.

I feel like I'm missing something here.

 

[Dooms]

Actually, I'll state my personal opinion on things. Gheb giving up on things should probably be a null tell. Frustration isn't more common as town or scum, and it honestly just looks like he's pissed past the point of playing this game, which shouldn't be indicative of any specific alignment. Based on his play outside of his rage, he still seems to be a scum candidate, but since Ranmaru has way more knowledge on meta than I do, I want to make sure that Ranmaru is still fine with a Gheb removal considering his giving up so easily.

The reason why I don't think this can fit into any meta on Gheb, though, is because he just returned from a break based on what he's saying (I took a break as well, so I have no idea if this is true or not). Returning from a break and having to deal with all of that rage and regretting coming back into the game isn't something that fits into meta from before the break. His night conversation shows that he's just tired of it and he doesn't care anymore, which makes me think that regardless of alignment he'd be feeling this exact same way. Don't give him a freebie town read just because he got angry and gave up is what I'm basically saying.

Regarding the "two poisoner" statement being a town tell, it seems that the fact of the matter is that if he didn't read the opening post clearly enough, regardless of alignment, he would ask that regardless. Standard scum PM's (based on my past scum endeavors) only give player names of your scum mates, not their roles. Due to the lack of communication, Gheb would have no way to know how many of each role there were or how many scum could poison unless he had completely understood the OP, and it's obvious that he didn't. I doubt that Nabe would go into detail about every single scum role in every scum PM for one reason or another, considering that getting details like that seems to be one of the purposes of the cell phone scummy in the first place. I don't see why this statement is a town slip at all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

How the heck is he obvtown? Regardless, yeah. I'd put him towards town a bit at least, especially if more flips happen and he doesn't turn out to be scum.

I feel like I'm missing something here.

Have you read his D1 play.
just the way he goes about it, and his ocnfidence behind all his statements, plus his thought processes. it's obvtown trust me.

Regarding the "two poisoner" statement being a town tell, it seems that the fact of the matter is that if he didn't read the opening post clearly enough, regardless of alignment, he would ask that regardless. Standard scum PM's (based on my past scum endeavors) only give player names of your scum mates, not their roles. Due to the lack of communication, Gheb would have no way to know how many of each role there were or how many scum could poison unless he had completely understood the OP, and it's obvious that he didn't. I doubt that Nabe would go into detail about every single scum role in every scum PM for one reason or another, considering that getting details like that seems to be one of the purposes of the cell phone scummy in the first place. I don't see why this statement is a town slip at all.

This is good, and I like the thought process behind it.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Shoco can answer that as well.

I really didn't care who I played with and said as much. I just wanted to play.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

I really didn't care who I played with and said as much. I just wanted to play.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

so who picked who matched up for a game?

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

I just said I wanted to play toNight and didn't care who as long as it wasn't inactive Ryker. And Kantrip said he'd play me.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

ok ay.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Anyone got a vote count on Gheb?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

he's got 4(five if joey's removal isn't counted because of hydra stuff)
it's seven out of thirteen so no more votes would be cool.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Ranmaru made 1357. I hardly talked in the match phase at all (that's where I got way behind and lost all motivation for this game), so almost all of the posts in the match phase were by him.

Unvote Removal

I want to talk Gheb over with Ranmaru considering the new stances on things.

Actually, I'll state my personal opinion on things. Gheb giving up on things should probably be a null tell. Frustration isn't more common as town or scum, and it honestly just looks like he's pissed past the point of playing this game, which shouldn't be indicative of any specific alignment. Based on his play outside of his rage, he still seems to be a scum candidate, but since Ranmaru has way more knowledge on meta than I do, I want to make sure that Ranmaru is still fine with a Gheb removal considering his giving up so easily.

The reason why I don't think this can fit into any meta on Gheb, though, is because he just returned from a break based on what he's saying (I took a break as well, so I have no idea if this is true or not). Returning from a break and having to deal with all of that rage and regretting coming back into the game isn't something that fits into meta from before the break. His night conversation shows that he's just tired of it and he doesn't care anymore, which makes me think that regardless of alignment he'd be feeling this exact same way. Don't give him a freebie town read just because he got angry and gave up is what I'm basically saying.

Regarding the "two poisoner" statement being a town tell, it seems that the fact of the matter is that if he didn't read the opening post clearly enough, regardless of alignment, he would ask that regardless. Standard scum PM's (based on my past scum endeavors) only give player names of your scum mates, not their roles. Due to the lack of communication, Gheb would have no way to know how many of each role there were or how many scum could poison unless he had completely understood the OP, and it's obvious that he didn't. I doubt that Nabe would go into detail about every single scum role in every scum PM for one reason or another, considering that getting details like that seems to be one of the purposes of the cell phone scummy in the first place. I don't see why this statement is a town slip at all.

Unvote Removal
All me obv.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm well aware of these things. Do you think my confidence is based in anything other than Gheb being scum?

I'm not sure what you mean by "mechanical evidence." I gave my points on why he's scum in my ISO. Did you read it? If so, what did you disagree with?

If I read it, I don't remember what it says. Mechanical evidence means I want more than just reasoning that would compel me with a regular case. For example, someone caught using banned moves (mafia cheating) somehow. I just feel like a Ryker modkill townflip and a Gheb removal townflip (if those happen) would be detrimental to any chance we have in this game.

 

[Kantrip]

Nobody talked, literally. Potassium just played a match with Shoco and that's it.

Can confirm. I wanted to switch rooms to try to read the people in this room, but if I'm being completely honest I lost interest. I'm sorry that this happened but I can't say I particularly care for the way this game is set up but I don't want to **** over the numbers by being inactive in matches and potentially getting modkilled like Ryker. So I'm here, but that's almost all I'm motivated to do in this game. Sorry.

 

[Kantrip]

I had the thought that kantrip not playing a match with soup was because of how he was scumreading him, but let's go with a more direct approach.
@kantrip why match with shoco?

Because Shoco said he wanted to play a match and I said "sure I'll play with you"

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I played a match with PP, pretty much WashedLaundry, in our room. I won somehow, though key point idc if people know this but I'm using the same characters every match because I am that kind of guy.

/Lucariomain4life.

 

[Picture Perfect]

@WOTT: Talk to me about your matches. You say you lost hardcore, how did the second round of your match go?

J and I are talking and we think we can push this into a direction.

 

[Picture Perfect]

EBWOP: By this, I mean information based on matches.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Bye: WOTT

He needs points and it'll get him on the board.

Thinking about switching the removal to Shoco. Will elaborate more.