Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Taco Bell Mafia.

Damn it Soup.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Hmmm.

Did joker actually assert that he read Kantrip's reads as confident ? Because I didn't get that feel, if anything i thought Kantrip was floating out feeler reads to see how people reacted , and then backing them to try and solidify his opinion of their reaction to it.

Maybe I'll go look at joker's kantrip assertion later, for now; Musac and gaming.

/2 cents

 

[Super Fabulous]

Soup > PJB > Gheb. Kantrip/Rake for investigatives.

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[#HBC | Joker]

Okay PJB I'll concede the 'weak soup read change' point. I still find you suspicious, I feel mafia would try to take advantage of looking townie by posting alot about mechanics and less about scumhunting. Unless you have done more recently that I have missed? Otherwise my read stands. The feeling has been there from the start.

The ****? I'm discussing mechanics a lot because people are posting [size="7]left and right[/size] things that show they don't understand the mechanics of the game. Like, the mechanics are pretty important in this setup, you understand that right? People are literally going about playing the game wrong, based entirely on their misunderstanding of the setup, and I'm trying to get town on the right path.

Show me one thing where I was encouraging longterm discussion on mechanics, as opposed to just constantly correcting people who were getting the setup wrong.

 

[Super Fabulous]

< 3

 

[Picture Perfect]

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[Super Fabulous]

I'm saying you are doing more of that, but less of scumhunting. You didn't even react Joey's case on Soup. (Even though you were scumreading him) Things like that. I had to poke you to talk about reads.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Lol I like how that guy is on a table flipping tables.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Rake: Yes he did. The quote is in the spoiler of PJB I quoted.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm saying you are doing more of that, but less of scumhunting. You didn't even react Joey's case on Soup. (Even though you were scumreading him) Things like that. I had to poke you to talk about reads.

Why am I supposed to react to a case joey makes about soup? The ****?

 

[Picture Perfect]

So i'm scummy for taking my time and wanting to be right ?

I actually am doing something, if you like, I will quote every single one of my posts, and lay out my exact intention with each and every one of them and tell you what I was hoping to achieve, in such excruciating detail, it would make a EE wall cringe. Why do you think yelling will help ? Have you tried understanding my perspective and trying to work with me yet ? I'll even help you: Name anything you want a strong opinion or my idea on from me and I'll give it to you, but in exchange I'm going to ask the same of you. I have a vested interest in being right, that's why. Not only do I take immense pleasure in being right, but this time, I just want to hit all the scum, win all the ladies and ride into the sunset. Is that so wrong ?

You're putting too much damn concern on being right. It's almost the same ****ing thing that we called soup out on early, or at least the same mentality. I don't understand why--you gain nothing from continually sitting in the shadows and I don't know why you aren't pressuring your reads. ****ty gambits seem ultimately worthless here.

I want you to actually play this game. I want you to participate in conversations rather than being here just to say you're doing nothing without me yanking every tooth out of your jaw first. If you want me to be your dentist, you pay for that ****.

What do you think of Watt's opinion that my content earlier today was / is an improvement ?

Disregarded, just as quickly as Super Fab's PJB read. I don't see the improvement myself.

What about Gheb's content makes you cringe ?

Did you miss the rant?

I'll even give you a little tidbit of info of info on Soup as my hand of friendship: I see you and soup arguing and being hardheaded with each other, and for soup it echoes of Mass Effect Mafia, for you I'm feeling better, because i think in the setting we are , given what's happening in thread right now(especially the explosion of posts), that mafia would eitehr be shadow playing ( letting the clutter mess up town), or trying to make it worse, and I don't see your and soup's battle of wills as such, and I'm labeling it as a TvT interaction in my own reads.

Cool.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Stating what you think about it. Seeing as you scumread Soup, it would be a good time to talk about why you may agree/disagree with it. Not saying you had to, but generally, I didn't see much talking of reads and I dislike that coming from you. Or you could have talked about Soup's reactions to it. Yet I don't think you did either. You talked about something but I don't know if it was due to a problem with him, because I thought you were townreading him at the time. (Was that you scumhunting on Soup btw?)

 

[Picture Perfect]

Also I refuse to believe that everyone actively posting is town. There's no way the mafia is like Ruy/Gheb/Ryker/Koops. No ****ing way.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i think i like pp the more washed posts

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hey washed get to my kantrip thing let me know what you think while we're on the subject of active players and people not townread

 

[Picture Perfect]

Soup, do you have a scumread right now? Is it still Kantrip?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, do you have a scumread right now? Is it still Kantrip?

yeah and uhhh as far as a second one goes now that i townread you i have to replace it i also posted about my rake read if you could get to that too

 

[Picture Perfect]

I think this is a fair point about Kantrip, actually. Hmm....

 

[Picture Perfect]

yeah and uhhh as far as a second one goes now that i townread you i have to replace it i also posted about my rake read if you could get to that too

I thought I got to that? Hold up.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Yeh, I indirectly got to your Rake thing. Lemme marinate on Kantrip.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmmm.

Did joker actually assert that he read Kantrip's reads as confident ? Because I didn't get that feel, if anything i thought Kantrip was floating out feeler reads to see how people reacted , and then backing them to try and solidify his opinion of their reaction to it.

Maybe I'll go look at joker's kantrip assertion later, for now; Musac and gaming.

/2 cents

That's a pretty dumb assumption considering I had no doubt or hesitance in my post at all, and my reads have stayed consistent regardless of their reception.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You guys really needed to pile on 6 pages during my bedtime? I already agreed to give the bye to PJB earlier and will do so now.

Bye: PJB

For content you'll have to wait a bit though. I'll be on later today.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake I kind of wanted you in my hotel room so you would try to read me. I'd appreciate if you did, it helps me read you too.

I've now laid out why I feel your scum in this situation, tell me how my approach to it convinces you of my scumminess ? Or rather , and more in depth, how my apparent lack-thereof was driving your ideal of scumRake ? Am I maliciously reading you incorrectly ? What of my other feelings, do you agree or disagree with any of them ? What do those reads tell you ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I wouldn't rule out the former. I don't like Rake so far, in thread or in our hotel room.
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What of the former of that argument made it see more appealing to you ? I.E : What malicious intent were you gleaning from me defending Soup sidelong ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I like WATT. I don't think you have the right reasons for townreading them. You're certainly not making any analogies based on me multiposting despite the fact that this is way more clogging the thread than anything that slot has done.

FWIW, I read the quote right but I wanted to call you out anyway.

What are the right reasons ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I don't think he's trying to appeal to towniness for malicious reasons, what I don't trust is his mechanical play in regards to the game having other features that go above and beyond mafia and the fact that his reaction to the first person to actually call someone scum was to get defensive. If Kantrip had no basis, I think he would've reacted differently.

Just noticed this in-depth: Why do you think his defensiveness was more telling than his actions later on in thread ? WRT the end of your paragraph, was this meant to imply kantrip/Soup scum, or was it meat to imply that Kantrip's soupscum read(which i don't believe he went too in depth into) shook soup ? Why do you feel like Soup as scum would react defensively at the first go ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

EBWOP

I wouldn't rule out the former. I don't like Rake so far, in thread or in our hotel room.

What of the former of that argument made it see more appealing to you ? I.E : What malicious intent were you gleaning from me defending Soup sidelong ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And then Soup's two most recent posts sound 100% like a frustrated townie who put himself into a bad spot early. Gogdammit Soup.

How so ?
10 follow ups

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I laughed at this.

Doubting read because of it, though. Blowing his scum play out of proportions like this doesn't make sense in his position as scum. Lashing out, yes. The ego? Not as much.

Don't like this switch. Explain more why you felt that way at that time.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Literally nothing happened in ours. Koops and our slot were both really inactive so all we had was Ruy saying we were all sleeping in the same bed. Productivity, ho!

As for Rake, I've never fully experienced this slot in full. I tend to see it in hydras more than the actual player so if you're looking for a meta read I don't really have one. I don't like how he's dragging his heels on doing anything because he's said his part on soup, but outside of that, I need to see more from that slot before I can really make a definite stance on him.

GS mafia.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Not anymore solid than what I said. I would like for you to elaborate on his posturing and selectiveness. His snarkyness of request (or lazyness to me) is null because he has done that before as either alignment. In the previous newbie he did it but did come in and do some work. He has done it in BIM due to low motivation and just not being able to answer questions legitimately. It's also possible that Kantrip has been 'disliking' Rake due to Rake's strong reaction to Kantrip's push towards you. At first glance it seems odd because of the blegh blegh but once I understood it and understood that Kanty's stance didn't really hold any water, I could see where Rake was coming from and can see it as possible for Kantry being opportunistic. Yet it remains to be seen until he explains his stance.

All I can really say until he comes in and does more stuff.

I had a strong reaction ? Expand on how you felt it was strong por favor.

This is also really wishy washy and me no gusta that.

I believe knatrip has laid it out now, So what feels did you get from his explanation ? Did your thought of opportunism carry through or how ddi what he say convince you to the opposite ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

His posturing feeling I get is that Kantrip is trying to play for himself. I understand that Meta is not something I can fully rely on but when I think of TownTrip I think of someone who is more concerned with finding scum then wasting their time playing armchair. He either got a shot of Ego somewhere or he doesn't really have anything else to say. The thing that bothers me most about Kantrip is that he's far too certain of himself. I read him like he doesn't feel pressured to be correct, and he's throwing out goddamn reads like it's candy. How he town-reads Picture Perfect because Washed posted a couple of pretty pictures and got upset at a few things is beyond me. How he scum-reads Rake on the basis of how he reads me, is well, beyond me. I really don't ****ing get the whole Rake scum thing because I can certainly tell you that the least he has done is try to decipher an alignment. Kantrip isn't deciphering things.

I went and looked back at what Kantrip said wrt me, because it initially got me going. There is an inconsistent mindset.

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I feel like he just goes on about his original point here but he doesn't really decipher as to why my play is somehow scummy. It's suddenly a scum-tell because I'm trying to fake towniness by being pro-town? That's the message I got from this, and it doesn't make a damn near lick of sense because he's snowballing like two or three statements I made earlygame into one big argument. It's like Kantrip hasn't even ****ing read the game nor does he give a **** because do you remember when Kantrip couldn't even define his read on Rake? And he had to say he needed to do some digging for it? That's a load of **** because I can certainly tell you this game isn't long enough to forget what your ****ing scum-read is for. This is the second initial thing I dislike. As far as selective goes it's obvious if you just look at his posts. ​

This post is great and people should talk to me about it.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Here's my problem. You are parroting J's stance on me, after I have explained to him why it was a bad stance. Yet you still say it's partially tied to what he said. You really aren't trying to read me. Your reasoning for Rake isn't going to fly. You are half-assing your stances even now, and I don't see how me defending Soup is a problem when your original stance is weak, which you won't even back up.

Why were you defending a null read (being me), so adamantly ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Yeah you're scum. This post is terrible, I said you were scum before J, I said I will expand more tomorrow, and you are jumping at my throat.

I am half-assing because I HAVEN'T LAID THEM OUT YET

Why is the situation different between myself and you ?

This is also directed @PP

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

at this post

I like Soup and Rake.

Unbye

What did you like ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, what motivation in this setup would I have for "trying to make something stick" as scum? There's no daily lynch, I don't think scum's going to be too focused on reaching for scumreads.

Wasting the tourney cop's time / making him or her focus on other player's beyond you maliciously. Scum still needs to stretch on scum-reads, avoiding being caught directly helps them win.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Question, am I allowed to say what my optional goals are?

Why would you feel the need to do this ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

You're putting too much damn concern on being right. It's almost the same ****ing thing that we called soup out on early, or at least the same mentality. I don't understand why--you gain nothing from continually sitting in the shadows and I don't know why you aren't pressuring your reads. ****ty gambits seem ultimately worthless here.

I want you to actually play this game. I want you to participate in conversations rather than being here just to say you're doing nothing without me yanking every tooth out of your jaw first. If you want me to be your dentist, you pay for that ****.

Disregarded, just as quickly as Super Fab's PJB read. I don't see the improvement myself.

Did you miss the rant?

Cool.

What about Super fab's PJB read makes it disregard-able or rather why do you believe your stance on PJB wrt his actions is more correct than Super Fab's ?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I would argue that getting the bye might actually net you more information. We don't know what information is gonna end up being public when the matches are said and done, so it might turn out that being a spectator who gets to see whatever they want could be a huge bonus.

I'm pretty sure that character moves/colors aren't gonna be public knowledge post match, and I', not entirely sure aspectatiing person will get all the information that a participant will.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

That's enough posting for now.
We'll finish this in depth review later.

/out