This was going to be a big catch-up or re-read, but I instead felt it was better to just re-organize it into the players the quotes came from, so here they are:
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soup is absolutely not fine. The more I talk to him, the more clear it becomes.
Rake's opinion that soup is fine either has malicious intention behind it, or it was just an uber rushed opinion. I'm thinking the latter is likely.
Quote placer. PJB strong opposition to Soup. Nothing to note.
soup is absolutely not fine. The more I talk to him, the more clear it becomes.
Rake's opinion that soup is fine either has malicious intention behind it, or it was just an uber rushed opinion. I'm thinking the latter is likely.
This seems like PJB is really sitting on a strong scumread on Soup. He is pushing, he is scumhunting here. More later.
The fact that PP fed soup this line, and then soup proceeded to dive headlong into his "I'm soup and I'm frustrated about mafia!" act makes me all the more convinced that he is full of baloney.
Soup is not doing ****. All he's doing is sucking the **** of anyone who town reads him, and poopooing anyone that scum reads him. He keeps saying that Kantrip, PP, and WATT are not facilitating productive discussion. The irony is truly palpable.
More stuff about Soup not doing stuff.
ewww, wtf is all this "yo, stop stating things that you think guys! You're clogging the thread!" bull**** I keep seeing? First it's soup, now it's SF.
This I don't like. I don't see the reason to go 'eww' to that, because it isn't something suspicious for us to do.
How is this different from me asking you about your kantrip read? What you accuse Kantrip of is something that has literally just happened for you, as well.
Right now, Kantrip is very much in line with how he was behaving in Scott Pilgrim. He's being open and upfront with his reads, and he's confident about them. There's no wishy washyness, or the bull**** attempts at stirring up conversation that usually indicate indytrip.
I don't see why he says this yet he doesn't even ask Kantrip to substantiate his reads. Something I know PJB has harped on before in the recent large with him. (Bardull, anyone?)
I can see it as an attempt to shut down discussion. The thought crossed my mind, but it's too obvious. nobody who was actually attempting to shut down discussion would be so blatant about it.
It just comes off as Shoco being kind of frustrated, and wanting people to stfu.
I find it off that PJB was really aggressively disgusted with us and Soup telling people to stop clogging the thread, yet he doesn't really care about this. I had to ask him about it for him to say anything.
Soup seems like he has given up on trying to get people to townread him, and honestly, I think that's a bit of an act to make us think he doesn't care about his appearance, therefore is town. Still pretty scummy, to me.
If he is town, he's not being very productive, and he's content with that. Bad townsoup!
I feel this is not a genuine read change. PJB really was scumreading Soup on full-blast. It was most of his scumhunting early on. Notice how there has been less scumhunting and more mechanics talk? He doesn't really have any scumreads right now if I can recall. Yet I wouldn't know because he hasn't really stated reads that has progressed for him. I just had to ask him about his reads. I also don't see how his reasoning makes sense for Soup to be town, and I asked him if it was null but he never really went into it. I just think because of that he doesn't really care. (about finding scum, or helping town, but only to appear like he's helping town)[/collapse]
[collapse="Gheb"]
Don't try to play us for suckers!
@blue: Both statements need citation. Nothing about WATT's posts disallows other people from making input, not even implicitly. I also don't see them attempting to force anything.
@red: Completely wrong. If what you are accusing WATT of were actually true then it
would be a scumtell by all means. You also fail to explain what kind of position you are talking about when you say "such a position" and why they'd want to avoid it.
@green: Why not? In all honesty, it's you who has been making that kind of input - a lot of "captain obvious"-style statements that will either get ignored or be pointed out as such. This looks more like justifying your own play as townie rather than WATT's who really hasn't done anything you've accused him of.
This post is weird to me. Gheb talks about this post but isn't really looking at Soup as a scumspect ever. I mean it just felt like he analyzed this to just analyze it. Then the rest of the day was just mechanics.
Eh, not so much that I want to keep things secret. It's just that I have nothing too say that you wouldn't expect me to.
Not liking this from Gheb.
Is there something like a bye count?
Fab or PJB seem like decent choices. It probabnly won't matter too much toDay anyway. I'll think about it some more and select a bye tomorrow.
I don't like that Gheb had given those choices without really stating why. I don't know if this was recent enough for him to have a valid reason not to have elaborated, but if this was a while ago then it still stands.[/collapse]
[collapse="Soup"]
YOU ARE A WONDERFUL PERSON THANK YOU RANMARU JOEY WHOEVER THAT IS I LOVE YOU
This post here seemed unnatural, and it was weird yet I just hoped he was a bro at the time. Yet:
**** Ran you're like golden this game please be ****ing town with me do you see the *********** that is being spewed in this goddamn thread Kantrip is not even close to townie nor was his post anything ****ing good and i just what the hell did I step into the wrong game
This was weird as well. This coming from the Soup who would find it weird for ME to buddy him. (Src: Kary's Metal Gear Newb mafia)
PJB is fine. I can't recall the specific reasons but I did like what he posted earlier and my interaction with him. I feel like his read on me is genuine, and that's really it.
I don't like how Soup's read on PJB is pretty... weak. Yet he finds him super townie.
Don't like how he states this without really giving much reason.
#437
nothing's really changed for me for that slot besides the previous read i have (in my wallpost), is there something that's bothering you about him?
Here Soup mentions nothing has changed for his read on us. Yet:
#450
He's IDK on us. This seems somewhat opportunistic coming from Soup. He never had a reason to be on this IDK status with us. And he recently stated nothing did change. I would like for him to state where in his original reads this actually expresses an IDK.
#499
No I still kinda lean town on them, but I see where you could be coming from with the whole "Guys look how town I am let me remind you of what town SHOULD be doing by pointing out we need to help the tourney cop even though he has 6 game days to ****ing figure it out" and he doesn't need to us to hold his hand". I can see where you're coming from that point and the fact he just 180'd on me for no transparent reason, which I would think Ranmaru would much more considerate about instead of instigating a read like that at all without concrete evidence behind it (e.g questioning)
This further compounds my dislike for Soup. He gives wishywashyness on us, he still kinda reads us as town but doesn't like the '180'. (When he was the one who 180'd on me) I also find the last sentence (in bold and underlined) to be him trying to use my meta to his advantage (as mafia) to state a conflicting read. I mean, of course I would question, if I had any. The only time I don't is when the information is already there for me. For example, GS#3 I didn't need to question as much, I just instantly found Rake as scum because of his actions in RVS, because of other players.
what pisses me off is that even if i read super fab again and started to dislike him all i can do is advocate that he doesn't get a bye but i can't reallyvote him
This is suspicious to me as well. It just makes me feel he wants to change to me, but is just expressing frustration in case he ever did, not that he ever was going to. I just find this grimy and opportunistic. I mean, why say that? (because he was thinking about it)
im not gonna fight for someone to get a bye so i think if we decide on a bye it should be a majority decision instead of randomly throwing byes around.
can we stop playing favorites with the byes
This is suspicious to me. In the previous quote he mentions that everyone should decide on a bye through majority, yet then he contradicts himself (after Joey opts to BYE'ing PP). This makes me doubt his 'genuine' intentions and makes me think his previous quote was only to seem townie.