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I loved Sonic 3 ... while I really would've liked it to have a Sonic & Knuckles duo for 1 player mode I really enjoyed Sonic and Tails too.
This is the kind of **** that starts flame wars between Knux and Tails fans. I like Knuckles way more than Tails, and not because of 4kids. I don't even watch any Sonic cartoons, because personally, I think they all suck. I would also like to see some actual polls/statistics proving that Tails is more popular. Unless you have proof, you're just talking out your ***.
Choose words carefully. "Popularity" wise, I'd say they're pretty much even. For a person to have heard of Tails and NOT have heard of Knuckles means that they either:
First of all, choose your words carefully again. How does 4Kids make Knuckles "more popular"? It's not like Tails and Knuckles weren't BOTH represtned in Sonic X. And secondly, why do people keep blaming 4Kids for the character that is Tails? Tails is portrayed as whiny and defenseless in every Sonic cartoon series prior to Sonic X. Tails is also portrayed that way in the earlier issues of the Sonic comic series by archie comics. In fact the only reason Tails is capable all that he is in the video games is simply for playability's sake. I'm not saying Tails sucks. But Tails has that personality so either deal with it or petition Sega to make him a badass. But don't pretend that Tails being portrayed in that way only just happened recently.
Ok but Tails(3rd) being more popular then Knuckles(4rd) is a fact in Japan.
Indeed Tails was portrayed in a ****ty way in SatAM, but guess by who? America.
Stupid Wikipedia. Anyways, "more popular" could mean "more liked", "more known", or "more recognized". This may be a stupid argument of semantic, but I see popularity as more recognized/more known. The poll and Wikipedia apparent acknowledge it is "more liked"...otherwise that idiot, Shadow wouldn't be up there. As a side note, this is starting to become a real problem because had Sega just killing off Shadow earlier, nothing would've happened. NOW, Sega absolutely can't afford to kill off Shadow otherwise they'd lose an asston of little fanbase they have left. Unless Sega can transform Shadow into a character that is liked by the older generation of Sonic fans as well as the younger generation, they more or less have dug themselves into yet another hole.
So what? He was portrayed that way in the Sonic OVA anime (Sonic The Movie...the you you thought I--er I mean Dolla Billz didn't like).
I honestly felt Tails was worse in AoStH. At least in SatAM, he karated-kicked a beanbag.
I almost misread this part of your post. I was about to go on a rant about how you're on crack in you think Sonic X and that Chris Thorndike crappyass character are canon contributions to the Sonic world. Then I was going to go on another rant about how if humans (with the exception of Robotnik and Snively) were never introduce into Sonic media, the world would be a better place.
Yes, but the 4 episodes will Knuckles in it were actually very good...not just relative to Sonic Underground, but they were actually as enjoyable to me as a good number of the SatAM episodes. I agree though, most of Sonic Underground was crap...but I still liked it better than AoStH and Sonic X (the 4Kids dub...don't really care to try watching the Japanese dub with subtitles since the same lame character cast in there).
I kinda disagree. You must've misunderstood what I was trying to say because that seems like too much of a smart alec response from you and you normally don't do that unless you're being flamed. Knuckles outside the video games is already known for being a strongfighter, being capable of gliding, and climbing walls, digging, etc. Sonic is already known for speed, spin attacks, etc outside of the video games. Tails is known for flying and mechanic skills outside of the video games. Tails and Knuckles were BOTH given the ability to attack enemies by jumping in a ball for playability's sake. Tails and Knuckles were BOTH given the spindash in the classic Sonic games for playability's sake. Tails doing a Tails-swipe in SA1 was merely for playability's sake. Tails using his helicopter-tails while flying as an attack in Sonic 3, was simply for playability's sake. Nowhere outside the games was it documented that these were true-to-Tails attacks. Knuckles however could always attack by punching and gliding and this was known outside the video games. Therefore, Tails (outside the vido games) is deemed as defenseless relative to Sonic and Knuckles.
Like I said before, I hate Sonic X and don't follow that crap. If Tails legitimately was shown using a Tail attack outside the video games and it was effective on an enemy then I can accept that. Still, it's common knowledge that Tails has typically needed Sonic by his side while Knuckles was typically a lone wolf. I really wish you guys would stop *****ing at me for liking Knuckles better. Since when is it a crime to like a badass character?...especially when I never claimed to hate Tails or even not like him for that matter?
TAILS IN BRAWL
Exactly what I'm thinking, but I really hope Knuckles will be playable...
Still Tails is more popular/liked(Isn't it like the same thing in the end?) then Knuckles in Japan.
What? Tails was freaking awesome in that movie, Sonic and Tails never worked as good together.
No way Tails had a much better important role in AoStH, he even saved Sonic a few times!
Was talking about Tails personality wise since he act closer to his game counterpart in that show, but you never really watched the last season to see what Tails accomplished.
SU better then Sonic X? Sorry but I really disagree there, if Knuckles wasn't in that show I would not have bothered with it.
How so? If that ability(Tails Swipe) was first used in Sonic The Fighter(Arcade) which is also a classic game.
An example of Tails using it(Is this effective enough?):
I proved you above Tails is not defenseless and can fight back on various other media, therefore Tails is a competent fighter on his own of course far from Sonic and Knuckles level as of now(He's still so young!)
Well that's ok, I also liked Tails over Sonic and still do today since his introduction in Sonic 2.
No offense, but can you just leave already? This is the 'Knuckles for Brawl' thread, not the 'Prove Tails is Better' thread. In the end, no one here really cares what you're saying, because we all like Knuckles better.Still Tails is more popular/liked(Isn't it like the same thing in the end?) then Knuckles in Japan.
I would gadly find the Europe polls that were holded 2 year back but I can't find them, but I recall Tails was 2nd on that poll right behind Sonic while Knuckles was 3rd sending Shadow in 4th place.
What? Tails was freaking awesome in that movie, Sonic and Tails never worked as good together.
No way Tails had a much better important role in AoStH, he even saved Sonic a few times!
Tails in SatAM was like useless baggage, I really hate that Tails seriously.
Was talking about Tails personality wise since he act closer to his game counterpart in that show, but you never really watched the last season to see what Tails accomplished.
SU better then Sonic X? Sorry but I really disagree there, if Knuckles wasn't in that show I would not have bothered with it.
I hate seeing Sonic singing gay corny songs, make me wanna pull my hair out.
How so? If that ability(Tails Swipe) was first used in Sonic The Fighter(Arcade) which is also a classic game.
An example of Tails using it(Is this effective enough?):
He also use it in Sonic X, the Archie comics(As seen above) and all the recent games(Sonic Rivals 2 being the most recent use) including Sonic the Fighter and you say it's not true-to-Tails attacks?
I proved you above Tails is not defenseless and can fight back on various other media, therefore Tails is a competent fighter on his own of course far from Sonic and Knuckles level as of now(He's still so young!)
Well that's ok, I also liked Tails over Sonic and still do today since his introduction in Sonic 2.
When Knuckles first came he even became my 2nd favorite putting Sonic in 3rd place, lol I remember none of my friends wanted to play as Sonic.
It was either Tails or Knuckles, but anyway I don't remember when I started liking Sonic more then Knuckles but It wasn't because of 4kids really for me.
Blew any chance he ever had of being cool.
You obviously don't know how to proprely use the characters, every characters are poor in some areas.
Knuckles was support like Tails in StH, in Sonic Rush he was just there to break a rock so he was even less important Tails.
