KingJigglypuff's Project M Throne Room! 09/08/2019: Fighting Alloy Team Pack Updated

[KingJigglypuff]

Thanks from tips from Jaystring, I managed to reduce Deoxys' model file from 1.25 MB to 1.1 MB, but he may be able to look into it to further optimize things soon.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Don't let your dreams be dreams.
http://gfycat.com/BriskFinishedDogwoodtwigborer
Distance and size based on charge level are a go.
Deoxys will also be using Petey Piranha's EFF file for GFX.
(I'm only double posting because I don't know if thread followers are notified if a post is updated.)

 

[PseudoTypical]

Don't let your dreams be dreams.
http://gfycat.com/BriskFinishedDogwoodtwigborer
Distance and size based on charge level are a go.
Deoxys will also be using Petey Piranha's EFF file for GFX.
(I'm only double posting because I don't know if thread followers are notified if a post is updated.)

Nice! Only real complaint concerning GFX is that the end "blast" effects seem a little oversized, but the rest looks great!

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Nice! Only real complaint concerning GFX is that the end "blast" effects seem a little oversized, but the rest looks great!

Is this any better? :v
http://gfycat.com/CalmAncientEastrussiancoursinghounds
(Made the GFX look more like Zap Cannon in the anime. The center and outside look fine, I just need to get the sphere itself to look more like it.)

 

[PseudoTypical]

Is this any better? :v
http://gfycat.com/CalmAncientEastrussiancoursinghounds
(Made the GFX look more like Zap Cannon in the anime. The center and outside look fine, I just need to get the sphere itself to look more like it.)

For the small form, it's definitely improved. The charged form still looks too big, though. The biggest lightning bolts that protrude from it cover over a third of FD. With that toned down, I think it's great. (And I like the yellow Zap Cannon sphere idea!)

 

[Notshane]

Hey, I do not mean to change the topic here, just stating something I thought was pretty awesome that I thought of; does anyone think it would be really sick if Ryu Hayabusa of Nintendo consoles faced Joe Musashi of SEGA consoles for the competition of ninjas? I would love to see them both show up in Sm4sh to watch that rumble, should SEGA have the right to add another character.

By the way, that Deoxys model, and animations, look so slick. I never thought of Deoxys as a character before, but something like that would for sure have not worked in Sm4sh due to......you guessed it: 3DS limitations XD

 

[KingJigglypuff]

For the small form, it's definitely improved. The charged form still looks too big, though. The biggest lightning bolts that protrude from it cover over a third of FD. With that toned down, I think it's great. (And I like the yellow Zap Cannon sphere idea!)

I'll work on making the large burst smaller then.

animations

I haven't done any animation work on Deoxys yet though.

 

[Notshane]

I haven't done any animation work on Deoxys yet though.

Oh...

 

[KingJigglypuff]

L A S E R B O Y Z
http://gfycat.com/SorrowfulWelcomeEmu

I'm hoping to be able to have someone look into Toon Link's module to see if it can be edited to allow the projectile to pierce foes, rather than go away upon contact.

 

[drogoth232]

Good thing we aren't telling them about the thing v:

I'm hoping to be able to have someone look into Toon Link's module to see if it can be edited to allow the projectile to pierce foes, rather than go away upon contact.

Ever considered if it's in Fighter.pac?
Don't think we really know what's in there. And if we do, we haven't checked on it for years.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Ever considered if it's in Fighter.pac?
Don't think we really know what's in there. And if we do, we haven't checked on it for years.

I highly doubt it would be in the Fighter.pac. Maybe sora_melee, but I hope not.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Gonna start working on character mechanics now.

Starting off with Defense Form's damage reduction.
http://gfycat.com/CautiousCarefulAruanas
It's currently set to reduce damage by half, but I'm going to lessen it, so it's not so OP.

I might make Attack Form take more damage from attacks, while leaving Normal and Speed Forms alone.

 

[El Fonz0]

Gonna start working on character mechanics now.

Starting off with Defense Form's damage reduction.
http://gfycat.com/CautiousCarefulAruanas
It's currently set to reduce damage by half, but I'm going to lessen it, so it's not so OP.

I might make Attack Form take more damage from attacks, while leaving Normal and Speed Forms alone.

Awesome!
Do you think you could also have Defense Form take less knockback, like Shulk's Shield art?

 

[Nefnoj]

Gonna start working on character mechanics now.

Starting off with Defense Form's damage reduction.
http://gfycat.com/CautiousCarefulAruanas
It's currently set to reduce damage by half, but I'm going to lessen it, so it's not so OP.

I might make Attack Form take more damage from attacks, while leaving Normal and Speed Forms alone.

You're the greatest person on Earth. Will you adopt me?

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Awesome!
Do you think you could also have Defense Form take less knockback, like Shulk's Shield art?

I would love that, but I'm not sure if it's possible.

You're the greatest person on Earth. Will you adopt me?

I'm a bit too young for that, lad. :L

 

[Nefnoj]

I'm a bit too young for that, lad. :L

In that case, I'll adopt you. You bring glory to your family name. Deoxys is perfection.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

In that case, I'll adopt you. You bring glory to your family name. Deoxys is perfection.

I'm older than you though.

 

[Nefnoj]

I'm older than you though.

I give up.

 

[JOE!]

How did you make him take less damage?

 

[Draco_The]

How did you make him take less damage?

I guess he saves the current damage in a variable and then in the damage subactions (DamageAir1, DamageFly2 and such) he compares that old value with the new one and if Deoxys is in defense form he recovers half the difference.
If you look close enough at the gif you can see that he actually takes full damage (you can see the 13% for a brief moment) and then it changes to 6%. In a stamina match defense form wouldn't save you.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

I guess he saves the current damage in a variable and then in the damage subactions (DamageAir1, DamageFly2 and such) he compares that old value with the new one and if Deoxys is in defense form he recovers half the difference.
If you look close enough at the gif you can see that he actually takes full damage (you can see the 13% for a brief moment) and then it changes to 6%. In a stamina match defense form wouldn't save you.

This is what I had to do. Maybe if I could figure out which Action is used for getting hit, then I could possibly apply the coding to reduce damage that way.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

A small update, but no previews though.

I've been spending this week, looking through all the character Actions and applying an Override to the Actions in which the Model Changers won't work normally, and I've managed to get the Model Changers working across every single Action.

There's one small semi-unrelated catch though. Going through the portals or doors of All Star Mode, Boss Battles Mode, and Subspace will reset your Form to Normal Form. So far, I have been unsuccessful in keeping the current Form upon state change. Though I'm still trying to see if I can even keep the current Form upon state change.

 

[Nefnoj]

There's one small semi-unrelated catch though. Going through the portals or doors of All Star Mode, Boss Battles Mode, and Subspace will reset your Form to Normal Form. So far, I have been unsuccessful in keeping the current Form upon state change. Though I'm still trying to see if I can even keep the current Form upon state change.

I honestly don't see how this is a bad thing, might make it easier, actually.

 

[Notshane]

Going through the portals or doors of All Star Mode, Boss Battles Mode, and Subspace will reset your Form to Normal Form. So far, I have been unsuccessful in keeping the current Form upon state change. Though I'm still trying to see if I can even keep the current Form upon state change.

If it becomes too much of a hassle to continue work on that, you can simply try to continue to refine Deoxys on other things in the meantime and then once that is all done spend all your effort into seeing if you can get him to keep his form through arena changes. That way, you are not being plagued with a single task that hinders the entire development process.

 

[Draco_The]

A small update, but no previews though.

I've been spending this week, looking through all the character Actions and applying an Override to the Actions in which the Model Changers won't work normally, and I've managed to get the Model Changers working across every single Action.

There's one small semi-unrelated catch though. Going through the portals or doors of All Star Mode, Boss Battles Mode, and Subspace will reset your Form to Normal Form. So far, I have been unsuccessful in keeping the current Form upon state change. Though I'm still trying to see if I can even keep the current Form upon state change.

I don't see anything wrong with Deoxys going back to normal form. Furthermore, if you managed to make it so Deoxys keeps his last used form between boss battles and such, wouldn't it mean that he would also keep the last used form between matches? I think that would be more of a problem than going back to normal form when going through a door in single player.

And when you say actions do you mean something other than the subactions? Like, the way I think you're doing the form change is by having the down B subaction change the value of the variable that holds the current form and then at the beginning of all the subactions you check the value of that varible and show the model of the respective form. Or is there another way? And which ones are the actions that don't like model changer events?

 

[KingJigglypuff]

I honestly don't see how this is a bad thing, might make it easier, actually.

Easier?

If it becomes too much of a hassle to continue work on that, you can simply try to continue to refine Deoxys on other things in the meantime and then once that is all done spend all your effort into seeing if you can get him to keep his form through arena changes. That way, you are not being plagued with a single task that hinders the entire development process.

I usually work on one thing at a time until it's done, hence why I've been spending the entirety of last week playing around with Actions, but I work on something else if I can't get that one thing done.

I don't see anything wrong with Deoxys going back to normal form. Furthermore, if you managed to make it so Deoxys keeps his last used form between boss battles and such, wouldn't it mean that he would also keep the last used form between matches? I think that would be more of a problem than going back to normal form when going through a door in single player.

That's something I'm not sure of. If that were to happen, then I would revert the change.

And when you say actions do you mean something other than the subactions? Like, the way I think you're doing the form change is by having the down B subaction change the value of the variable that holds the current form and then at the beginning of all the subactions you check the value of that varible and show the model of the respective form. Or is there another way? And which ones are the actions that don't like model changer events?

There's Actions and Sub Actions.

The method I use is during Down Special, the Form changes if the control stick is pressed in a certain direction.

Though the technical aspect of it is to set a Variable, depending which direction the control stick is held in. After that, a Subroutine is placed in every single Sub Action (except a select few) that checks for the set variable and changes the Model Changer, based on which variable is set.

As for which Actions I needed to make Overrides for, that would be almost every Action relating to Special Grabs, being thrown, and a few other misc Actions.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

(Sorry for double posting so much. :x)

Remember when I said editing Attributes on the fly wasn't possible?

Spoiler

Normal: http://gfycat.com/LeafyFloweryAtlanticridleyturtle

Attack: http://gfycat.com/SandyMarvelousKissingbug

Defense: http://gfycat.com/LittleSentimentalHammerkop

Speed: http://gfycat.com/ShadowyGrimAfricanaugurbuzzard

This couldn't have been done without Mawootad from the Brawl Minus Dev Team. I'll be posting details about this soon.

 

[drogoth232]

Hype
So much hype

 

[Nefnoj]

This couldn't have been done without Mawootad from the Brawl Minus Dev Team. I'll be posting details about this soon.

A Brawl Minus Dev working with a Project M Dev.

I have seen everything.

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Remember when I said I would post details about the Attribute changing?

Well, here's the big moment.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=75336.0
(Try to bear with the slow loading times and 503s. )

 

[KingJigglypuff]

(More double posting, yay. :L)

http://gfycat.com/HappyMeanAustraliankestrel

A further example of on the fly attribute editing. Attack Form isn't shown, as aside from knockback resistance, Attack and Normal Form's Attributes are identical.

 

[Nefnoj]

(More double posting, yay. :L)

http://gfycat.com/HappyMeanAustraliankestrel

A further example of on the fly attribute editing. Attack Form isn't shown, as aside from knockback resistance, Attack and Normal Form's Attributes are identical.

Is speed forme faster than Sonic?

 

[KingJigglypuff]

Is speed forme faster than Sonic?

Yes.

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

(More double posting, yay. :L)

http://gfycat.com/HappyMeanAustraliankestrel

A further example of on the fly attribute editing. Attack Form isn't shown, as aside from knockback resistance, Attack and Normal Form's Attributes are identical.

Imagine Speed Form with Bunny Ears 0_0

 

[Nefnoj]

Yes.

Well, I know which forme I won't be using, hahaha. I've never been too fond of fast fighters anyway, but I imagine he'll be real fun in Subspace and on Big Blue!

 

[soopercool101]

Well, I know which forme I won't be using, hahaha. I've never been too fond of fast fighters anyway, but I imagine he'll be real fun in Subspace and on Big Blue!

Outspeeding cars on Big Blue without a Bunny Hood. That'll be interesting, to say the least.

 

[Notshane]

I do not want this to go off topic too much, but...

Spoiler

Have a nice day.

 

[Nefnoj]

I do not want this to go off topic too much, but...

Spoiler

Have a nice day.

Why on earth would you post that?!
Oh crap, I'm getting off topic right now.

 

[drogoth232]

The best part about working with KJP is when you realize that it's not possible

"We can't do it"
"RIP"

 

[Notshane]

Why on earth would you post that?!
Oh crap, I'm getting off topic right now.

I couldn't resist XD I was not trying to turn this into a Cloud Strife thread, just wanted some laughs.