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Kingdom Hearts Mafia~Day 8~End Game!~Roles revealed!

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DiamondFalcon

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Uncle Meat seems pretty eager to go to night phase, eh? I think we still have some discussion going on, with the name-claim being a bad idea and all (reasons stated by frozen, doc). I bet jarc forgot about the game, and I guess we don't need an inactive. Let's just wait to see what docsalive has to say, like ligolski said.
FOS: Uncle Meat
FOS: agentli
 

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Well, we arent getting very far during the day.. so lets either get some discussion going or do something to make it night.
 

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I plan on catching up soon, but i have school for the next couple of days (my college doesn't let out for MLK day).

From my small understanding because i only skimmed, doing a name claim would be booty.

FOS: anyone wanting a name claim this early in the game

person1: K guys, I'm Sora

Mafia: Psh, he's dead

Person2: K guys, i'm Mickey Mouse

Mafia: Man he's dumb for admitting that, he's dead

town: this suxzorz
 

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Ok well Chill just PM'd me to remind me that this game existed lol >_<. I've been busy with last minute partying due to the start of school and running around town to buy books and etc.

ATM I havn't read everything, mostely the first 7 and last 7 pages. My new school schedule doesn't permit me to post alot, but I'll try to stay as active as possible. I'll start by finishing reading the rest of the pages that I havn't read yet and give my input as well.
 

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Well after checking the event, since I've played Kingdom hearts, it was easy to tell who is who, making it safe to say that nothing really suspicious is happening there. As for the items, in my opinion, they shoudl only reveal them if they choose to do so, I find nothing suspicious in keeping it a secret... for now anyways.

Apart from that, I dunno. Camo-man made me giggle in the school library though :S.
 

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I really didn't want to place a time limit on the day and force you guys into a no lynch or a hasty decision but this day has been going on for way too long. Unless some progress is made by either a no lynch or a lynch vote I'm going to have to end the day myself.

Official vote count:

Jarc: 2
Ronike, jazzyswimer

SmashNinja02: 1
Kujirudo
 

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Haha, see? Now are we gonna lynch an inactive or no lynch, because I don't think there's good enough evidence to really lynch anyone.
 

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Well, since there's little to no evidence for a good lynch decision, I'd say going for inactives is our best bet at the moment. I'll give SmashNinja02 a little time to answer, maybe you can send him a PM? I mean it would be mean of me voting for him when I was the inactive for a long time :/.

If Chill makes the day end relatively soon, I don't really see what else we can do except get the inactives out of the way.
 

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@ Chill - Maybe you can start a deadline then?

@ Uncle Meat - That, my friend, is called pressure voting. Just untill SmashNinja shows up.
 

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Chill you have every right to place a deadline on the game but it is completely unfair to say you will end it at any time you please. If you are going to place a deadline, you need to set a specific time and date at which the day will end, and decided whether or not it will be retractable, i.e. if it is possible for us to get it removed if dicussion picks up again.
 

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I swore I unvoted jarc, my bad. Onto the next pressure vote!
unvote:jarc vote:smashninja
 

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Well, how'd it break?
Also, a deadline is a good idea, as long as you give us the deadline date a few days in advance (maybe 2?) just snapping your fingers and ending the day is a bad idea i think!
 

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I don't think he was saying he's just going to randomly end the day. When he said 'end it himself', he was probably referring to the deadline ending.
 

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Smash is telling the truth, look at his posts. The last one was in this thread a week ago. Why are you bringing that up with him only meat?
Unvote: Smashninja, vote: No lynch
FOS: Uncle Meat

I think we need to get to night to gain more info.
 

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Is there gonna be another event on Day 1? Because if not, then we don't have many clues and will be pretty much forced to no lynch, which, talking from experience, ends up beeing a good thing for mafia.

I'm curious to know what happens during the Twilight time of day, will it allows us to get more clues?
 

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Okay, a few things popped up in my re-read. First off, agentli missed his "post restriction" on his "I love day 1's!"
Plus people would purposely try to avoid reapeats to make sure they arent considered to be mafia. They would just want their hands to be washed clean of any kind of suspicion at all.
This could mean he's mafia faking a post restriction, or just missed it and got a freebie. I don't know for sure, but it definitely caught my attention. He also missed it again later on, which makes me even more suspicious.
Vote: Arkengate

For all the suspicion surrounding the actions of today, I feel a no lynch will put us in the same position as Day 1. It won't get us anywhere. While the night killings might help add some more story, we might as well roll the dice and see how people vote. And unfortunately, Arkengate, you're the most suspicious person on my list right now.

After being accused, you don't seem very adamant about defending yourself. You just say that this is what happened in mafia. Well, did it work? Did the no lynch on Day 1 work? I don't think this is the right situation. Perhaps there are some lurkers that we want to lynch.

I want to see what Arkengate has to say. He hasn't really said much of virtue, and the constant switching of arguments seem to be either someone who is really nervous because they're scum, or a novice at the game. Hopefully this vote can get us somewhere, and can lead to more discussion.
I really think something is wrong here. There's actually several more misses (post 161, 286, several times between 300 and 310), but I think you get the idea by now.

I tend to think Ronike is town, as his posts have been very logical, especially the one about the mafia's ability to play the game as a "war of attrition."

I strongly consider Lance to be town for a variety of reasons. He was the first to note the narration hinting at commonyoshi's role, which is in fact very aware. There are other reasons, but I definitely think he's town.

DiamondFalcon did an excellent job of fence-sitting in the commonyoshi-ligolski affair. Granted, I didn't take too strong of a stance against anyone based on that argument either, but saying something like "I won't ignore them, but I don't think I'll vote yet" just rubs me the wrong way.

I'm sorry if that didn't make sense because I'm just musing to myself. I'm deciding what action we should take. If our characters do have something to do with our roles then I think a name claim is something that should be considered. Chill just gave you guys a hint as to who I am. If someone claims they are Chip and Dale, but Chill gives a hint that he was a large person then we'd know he was a liar.
I think the point at the end of the quote is a good one. It also supports NOT-name claiming, as, the later we claim names/roles, the more of these clues we have to use against people.

I'm confused by Deathreaver's interaction with ligolski. He asked if he could go somewhere with ligolski, even though ligolski did not go on the event. This strikes me as strange, and somewhat suspicious. DiamondFalcon pointed this out earlier, and Deathreaver replied, "Uh, no not really Falcon, I just want a group to go somewhere instead of sitting here watching." But if you want to do something, why ask ligolski specifically?

frozenflame has a good point on Uncle Meat, IMO. There's fence-sitting, which is somewhat suspicious, and then there's flip-flopping quickly, which is very suspicious.

agentli was very quick to promote the nameclaim, and started to organize it very haphazardly. Firstly, if a nameclaim is done, the order should be random, not down a list. Secondly, if a nameclaim is done, it should be agreed upon by most or all of the town. Thirdly, this was a terrible time for a nameclaim.

SmashNinja's showing up IMMEDIATELY after receiving some votes is pretty suspicious. I can safely say that that DEFINES lurking. He was clearly reading the thread, but didn't contribute any content (and still hasn't said anything significant).

In conclusion:
Vote: agentli
FoS: SmashNinja
FoS: Deathreaver
 

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Okay, a few things popped up in my re-read. First off, agentli missed his "post restriction" on his "I love day 1's!"

This could mean he's mafia faking a post restriction, or just missed it and got a freebie. I don't know for sure, but it definitely caught my attention. He also missed it again later on, which makes me even more suspicious.

I really think something is wrong here. There's actually several more misses (post 161, 286, several times between 300 and 310), but I think you get the idea by now.

I think the point at the end of the quote is a good one. It also supports NOT-name claiming, as, the later we claim names/roles, the more of these clues we have to use against people.

agentli was very quick to promote the nameclaim, and started to organize it very haphazardly. Firstly, if a nameclaim is done, the order should be random, not down a list. Secondly, if a nameclaim is done, it should be agreed upon by most or all of the town. Thirdly, this was a terrible time for a nameclaim.

In conclusion:
Vote: agentli
FoS: SmashNinja
FoS: Deathreaver
OK, this is not a role restriction, and if it was, it would be a really sucky role restriction. If you notice, the "role restriction" I love day 1's would expire after day 1. Therefore I don't see how it would pertain to the game at all.

I can assure you that it is not exactly required for me to post the following phrase "I love day 1's" in every post. There is a role restriction, but I just got bored of making up new stuff for it so I just put basically the same thing everytime, except for the times I felt like being creative.

The nameclaim thing was not really my idea, but commonyoshi's. I saw there wasn't really anything at all going on in the thread, and seeing that SI was getting so intense, I wasn't really paying attention to this one either. Plus I thought it would at least generate some discussion, which it has.

I can assure you this though, if I was to be lynched, at the end of the day you'll go "****, we wasted a lynch on day one to get rid of that character?". I mean, it's only 2 votes so far, so i'll same my personal nameclaim to save myself for a few moments unless some more people start voting me, but that's my defense, and that's actually how far I can go into detail with it before I start compromising my identity.

For old tradition's sake,
I <3 day 1's!
 

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Then why would you continue to post it for almost every post? I'm sorry, but that just seemed too weak of an argument for it to clear you.

unvote: Commonyoshi

Vote: Agentli
 

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To add to what I said above:

That vote was also about your original defense, about how you didn't have to say that you loved Day 1s. I looked at those posts Thedocsalive quoted, and I could see nothing that was in any way similar to the "I love day 1" quote that you were posting.
 

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I don't have to post I love day 1's, I only have to lie each day at least once, or Chill will warn me or something. It's part of my role. And since, I'm town, I'm not actually going to lie, so I just put I love day 1's because it's most convenient.
 

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I knows who you are. Hes town. Trust me. Think about it for a second, but dont post it!
 

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I don't think he was saying he's just going to randomly end the day. When he said 'end it himself', he was probably referring to the deadline ending.
What he said.

You have 36 hours from this post.

Please try not to get carried away. This is only the first day afterall.
 

Ronike

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Well, Im still going with no lynch as I have some suspiscions, but not enough to lynch with.
 

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Why do you guys want to end the day and/or no lynch so quickly?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

STOP being impatient just because it's lasted a long time. It lasting this long has let a lot of little things that people have been doing get put into the open.

That means you too, Chill. I know you're the GM but discussion and realizations are hot right now. Please don't end the day like this because i have a feeling that fairly soon there will be a very meaningful, well thought out lynch.


MY BIGGEST SUSPICIONS DURING MY RE_READ************

UncleMeat Seems VERY VERY suspicios. He is the one who brought up the deadline in the first place. As soon as a few dudes went against it a little he quickly retracted his statment. THEN, he changed again and said
unclemeat said:
Haha, see? Now are we gonna lynch an inactive or no lynch, because I don't think there's good enough evidence to really lynch anyone.
wth man? These aren't the only reasons i find you suspicious because there were some other posts that i found weird. You are the most suspicious IMO.

Agentli- You are contradicting yourself left and right.




vote:unclemeat

I urge you all to reread and look back at unclemeats activities. I am most certainly not dismissing agentli but IMO, a really suspicious flip-flopper is worse than a guy faking a post restriction.
 

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I forgot to mention commonyoshi and agentli going for a nameclaim. Commonyoshi just name-claimed while most were going against it (if i remember right...). You were obviously acting really susicious by feeling so strong about a nameclaim. Then I found it REALLY susicious that agentli was urging me to name claim.

This statement is what caught my opinion.

agentli said:
Isn't Lance87 next?
Duh. If common (or someone else i don't remember...) suggested it be done in order of signup then of course i'd be next. What i mean by this is that it was obvious that i would be next and it was not needed for you to say that, it made it seem like you were trying to get things moved along and get a few roles revealed before the real townies stopped you.

I wish i could vote a few times. Unclemeat would be the best course of acton in my opinion.

Also, sorry if a fact or two of mine are a little off because i usually read through and then say what's on my mind without going back and chcking certain stuff. If i was clearly wrong on a quote i gave or mixed up a name or something please say so.
 

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Dude, what are you talking about? I didn't bring up a restriction first. That was Chill's idea. Which statement did I retract? None of that makes any sense. I thought that discussion was over, which now it is obviously not. We hadn't had any posts that sparked anything for a little while, and, being the inexperienced player that I am, I did not know that that would change so quickly. When Chill said he would have to place a time limit because the day was stretching on, I said 'haha, see?' because I had been kinda saying that this day had been going on for a long time before that.
 

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If there's enough going on I'll retract the deadline. The thing is I was tired of a small bit of discussion, some votes tossed around. everyone unvotes and says 'let's no lynch, then we had a small bit of discusson, some votes tossed around, everyone unvotes, and says 'let's no lynch'.

This Day 1 is nearly two weeks long and I don't know if it should go on any longer. We'll just see how it goes.
 

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I don't have to post I love day 1's, I only have to lie each day at least once, or Chill will warn me or something. It's part of my role. And since, I'm town, I'm not actually going to lie, so I just put I love day 1's because it's most convenient.
I think I believe you agentli, but did you lie in this post? :p

Oh, and thedocsalive, I was "sitting on the fence" because I didn't think the argument really mattered much. I didn't think it was worth accidentally joining the wrong side in a battle of point of views. Commonyoshi's style seems to be blunt and ligolski's seems to be affirming himself. I'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way.

I suppose the limit is necessary since we've taken so long, but we really have learned a lot this Day 1.
 
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