Kingdom Hearts Mafia~Day 8~End Game!~Roles revealed!

[Lance87]

@unclemeat- You're right. While reading i got the idea of a nolynch and a day restricion mixed up....i actually feel pretty stupid for posting what i did, lol.Don't think you're out of trouble yet though, you've been acting suspicious and the peoplez know it.

unvote: unclemeat for now ...=(

The next best course of action would be to

vote: agentli

I'm pretty sure didn't mix up anything i posted about him.




I found this while looking for unclemeat stuffz and thought it was noteworthy...

Name claim sounds good, it's better than nothing, and it won't hurt to do one anyway.

It doesn't sound good, it's not better than nothing, and it will hurt to do one. Sorry fo the rehashinginginging.


25 minutes until the MapleStory servers are back up!!!!

 

[Lance87]

BTW, what i was talking about with the "statement retraction" was when you voted for jarc (which was a bandwagon vote because it took you a whole 3 minutes to bandwagon ligolski), then DFalcon called you out and made you look scummy and all you could say was "may as well unvote then."'

 

[Uncle Meat]

I thought I had unvoted earlier. It was completely a pressure vote, pretty much. Part of the reason I also FoS'd Ligolski. Like I said, I'm fairly new, so I wasn't exactly sure when FOS applies. Sorry about that.

 

[Kujirudo]

Dang, being sick is not nice.

Anyway, it seems like SmashNinja is back on.
Unvote: SmashNinja

Good, now about agentli. I stated before why you he is suspicious in my opinion and it seems like more and more people are agreeing with me. He started a sudden nameclaim without asking our opinion about it.

Also, I did notice that you, agentli, didn't post your 'I love Day 1's' thing every time. But I didn't think it could be a big deal as an experienced player like you wouldn't forget about a role restriction (at least, that's what I thought). I do believe you though with saying that you don't have to post it every time. If you would really have to post it every time, Chill would have modkilled you by now. So my worries dissapeared... for a moment.
Now, you say that you have to lie each day at least once. Lieing is, as I see it, a bad thing. And what's bad in this game? Mafia.

Vote: agentli

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Hmm, the only time I "called him out" was when he wanted the day to end already and we were still discussing what agentli's guilt. I wasn't suspicious of him for voting jarc actually, and I thought nothing of when he unvoted after jarc finally showed up.
Agentli could have honestly thought that name claim would help the town more than the mafia because of when he was Godfather's Pizza in FC mafia. But either way, he should have realized that a game like this would have more correlation and some power roles for town too. But I think most people agree with me that name-claim would be a bad idea so I rest my case. In light of his role hints though, he seems to be town.

 

[Jazzyswimmer]

unvote: jarc

i have been busy with school and basketball, i forgot to unvote

 

[ligolski]

sry guys can't post today or read, I am really busy, hopefully tomarrow I will post and see whats up

thanks

 

[Lance87]

@DiamondFalcon- This is what i was referring to.

Uncle Meat seems pretty eager to go to night phase, eh? I think we still have some discussion going on, with the name-claim being a bad idea and all (reasons stated by frozen, doc). I bet jarc forgot about the game, and I guess we don't need an inactive. Let's just wait to see what docsalive has to say, like ligolski said.
FOS: Uncle Meat
FOS: agentli

 

[camo-man]

WHY EORLINGAS?! WHY??????

>_>

Me want to not vote think first.

 

[Arkengate]

i wonder if camo is playing his role...?

 

[thedocsalive]

OK, this is not a role restriction, and if it was, it would be a really sucky role restriction. If you notice, the "role restriction" I love day 1's would expire after day 1. Therefore I don't see how it would pertain to the game at all.

I can assure you that it is not exactly required for me to post the following phrase "I love day 1's" in every post. There is a role restriction, but I just got bored of making up new stuff for it so I just put basically the same thing everytime, except for the times I felt like being creative.

I don't have a post restriction for each post, I have it for each day.

Okay, I really don't buy this whole "role restriction per day" thing. If this were the case, why wouldn't you just do it once, then stop? I mean, it's obvious that if it's real it's not a blatant restriction, so you could be very subtle about it. Also, if it's just a restriction per day, then why would you say that you "just put basically the same thing everytime, except for the times I felt like being creative"? It doesn't add up to me.

The nameclaim thing was not really my idea, but commonyoshi's. I saw there wasn't really anything at all going on in the thread, and seeing that SI was getting so intense, I wasn't really paying attention to this one either. Plus I thought it would at least generate some discussion, which it has.

This is really a straw-man argument. Basically, you're skewing my argument to make it weaker, and by addressing that, you think that you've proven me wrong. I never said the nameclaim was your idea. I said you were quick to promote it, which was true. I also said you were starting to organize it haphazardly, which is also true. You posted recommending that it be done going down the list. Also, saying you did this to generate discussion doesn't defend you very well. "I will do something that I think is anti-town, so that people will talk about it." How does that work?

]I can assure you this though, if I was to be lynched, at the end of the day you'll go "****, we wasted a lynch on day one to get rid of that character?". I mean, it's only 2 votes so far, so i'll same my personal nameclaim to save myself for a few moments unless some more people start voting me, but that's my defense, and that's actually how far I can go into detail with it before I start compromising my identity.

Okay, this is all well and good, but you could just as well be bluffing. I'm not saying you should nameclaim now, but saying this does not deter me voting you. What will, however, is that the people who know Kingdom Hearts say you're town. Obviously this makes sense somewhere in the Kingdom Hearts universe.

unvote: agentli

 

[Kujirudo]

Okay, I really don't buy this whole "role restriction per day" thing. If this were the case, why wouldn't you just do it once, then stop?

I think he means each real day, not every in-game day.

 

[Lance87]

I don't think I want to be so quick to unvote him, just in case. I would like to hear what he has to say in response to these two statements. Agentli doesn't need to so much nameclaim as much as just stop being shady about what his post restriction is, besides he already pretty much said his caracter would be obviously town, which if he was mafia would be an easy out rather than trying to fake a name-claim.

Okay, I really don't buy this whole "role restriction per day" thing. If this were the case, why wouldn't you just do it once, then stop? I mean, it's obvious that if it's real it's not a blatant restriction, so you could be very subtle about it. Also, if it's just a restriction per day, then why would you say that you "just put basically the same thing everytime, except for the times I felt like being creative"? It doesn't add up to me.

This is really a straw-man argument. Basically, you're skewing my argument to make it weaker, and by addressing that, you think that you've proven me wrong. I never said the nameclaim was your idea. I said you were quick to promote it, which was true. I also said you were starting to organize it haphazardly, which is also true. You posted recommending that it be done going down the list. Also, saying you did this to generate discussion doesn't defend you very well. "I will do something that I think is anti-town, so that people will talk about it." How does that work?

It seems true though that in this mafia game it would appear to be fairly easy to make educated guesses when it comes to people calling names. If this dude were to say he was sora then i'm sure everyone who played KH would unvote and the rest would follow....etc.

 

[Lance87]

I think he means each real day, not every in-game day.

I'm not so sure I agree. Some people go inactive and have real lives to attend to and I doubt a GM would force a certain player to be active at least once every 24 hours or face a modkill.

 

[Kujirudo]

I'm not so sure I agree. Some people go inactive and have real lives to attend to and I doubt a GM would force a certain player to be active at least once every 24 hours or face a modkill.

You're right, but it's not 100% unlikely. And haven't we seen posts of agentli with just 'I love Day 1's' in it?

 

[thedocsalive]

I think he means each real day, not every in-game day.

:embarrass
(This is a pretty weird embarrassed smiley, but you get the idea)

 

[thedocsalive]

I'm not so sure I agree. Some people go inactive and have real lives to attend to and I doubt a GM would force a certain player to be active at least once every 24 hours or face a modkill.

This is a very good point, as well as as mine about the straw-man argument.

 

[Jarc]

[...] the people who know Kingdom Hearts say you're town. Obviously this makes sense somewhere in the Kingdom Hearts universe.

Indeed, kind sir. To be honnest, I already know 3 or 4 characters already, and all of them are town orriented. Anyone with KH knowlege probably has probably came ot the same conclusions as me on some characters. Any mafia with KH knowlege doesn't have much of an upper hand, but townies will know who to not vote for. Thing is, I have yet to see any actions that would lead me to think that a person is a KH baddie (mafia alligned). I'm under the impression that most of the more active posters are town alligned and that we should be looking at some people that havn't posted much in the last few days.

So, right now, I don't really know who to vote for ~ All I can think of is pressure voting some poeple that havn't posted much recently.
I'm not very fond of No Lynching on Day 1's.

 

[SmashNinja02]

is there another event coming soon. this is kind of boring. and for those who are gonna say something slick i have read the previous post and nothing is happening

 

[ligolski]

]I can assure you this though, if I was to be lynched, at the end of the day you'll go "****, we wasted a lynch on day one to get rid of that character?". I mean, it's only 2 votes so far, so i'll same my personal nameclaim to save myself for a few moments unless some more people start voting me, but that's my defense, and that's actually how far I can go into detail with it before I start compromising my identity.

mafia senses tingling...this is a threat IMO, a simple if you lycnh me you'll lose...its like claiming doctor when you are under a ton of pressure, it makes people unvote because of the chance of killing a power role...I have done it before and so have others...(good ole memorys lol)...I have an idea of who he could be but his whole story of the posting a lie everyday after the fact we brought up the whole issue on hoim not lieing ever post is kind of suspcious to me...and the character who I think he is doesn't play a major role at all in KH and I believe it could just be a ploy...I could be wrong but I would think the main characters would be put in the game and not the minor ones (which is who I believe agentli is claiming to be)...
vote: agentli
plus the name claim idea which I said before agentli and commonyoshi started truly advocating and trying to organize a name claim would BE REALLY BAD!!! IMO agentli knows better about name claiming, he was in other mafia games besides FC and knows the rules well enough and understands the game....therefore I believe he is most likely mafia...

as for uncle meat he is still suspicious in my book for the flip flopping...

Thanks for putting up with me being unable to post...I had ski club teusday as I will from now on until the ski season is over and yesterday I barely had time to post that little blurb and then I had to do hw and then go to a hockey game with my family (GO SABRES!!!)

as for karshkin, he will be able to use a computer friday/ saturday if you were wondering where he went and missed my post on that...

Thanks

 

[Ronike]

Guys about agentli, just think about disney, who lies? Its a pretty famous disney character. Just think about it for awhile. Just please dont post it! Let him roleclaim if he wants.

 

[Kujirudo]

Omg, I just thought about it and when I walked to my sister (she's a big Disney fan) to ask her if she knew who lies a lot, I suddenly knew it... Yes, it would be strange if what I think really is his role. It doesn't have any connection with the mafia... Mmm, I'm thinking of retracting my vote.
This is weird. I do not trust his course of action but if this really is his role... Or he is trying to fool us (which could be true since he is a more experienced player) or he is just playing dumb.

 

[Ronike]

Indeed Kuji, if he is telling the truth, he is 90% town (only 90 as in FE, camo made a main GOOD char mafia, so you never know), but that doesnt mean he is telling the truth. And I think his role makes very much sense and I believe him. I think before we start doubting him enough to vote for him, we'll need to see the characters that chill has included. If his doesnt make sense comparitively, then we'll question him. For now I think he is town.

 

[camo-man]

(only 90 as in FE, camo made a main GOOD char mafia, so you never know)

Warp in time tend to make behaviour change in people.

Me think I know Agentli char... if it right, he probably town. >_>

 

[Deathreaver780]

ok like I said, everybody just keeps arguing and arguing, voting, unvoting,voting, unvoting. I said that to ligolski then because at that point I started to think he was the only one on town, but through all this, im not sure about anyone, except for ronike and docsalive. They keep making very true statment over and over, and that awesome. camo-man why do u vote me because i simply want to get off my fat ***, and DO SOMETHING!!!!

 

[Ronike]

Warp in time tend to make behaviour change in people.

Me think I know Agentli char... if it right, he probably town. >_>

Indeed it does, but my guess is warping in space can tend to jumble some things in the noggin.

Oh and thx for the compliment DR. Nothing new besides that except that I still support no lynch as we are running out of info and, of => importance, interest. If we want to keep this relatively active, we should move on.

 

[Jarc]

Chill said we had 36 hours, I think that means time is up soon, looks like we don't have much of a choice.

This deadline is great for mafia ~ they don't have to post and get a No Lynch ; a chance at keeping their numbers high. A smart mafia player would've thought of this, stopped posting and let the time run out causing an automatic No Lynch. As I stated before, I think we should pressure vote some poeple that were active, but stopped posting in the last 2~3 days.

I'll go over some of the pages and try to find a person that fits that description.

 

[Jarc]

Pure Of Heart hasn't posted ONCE since the day began.

Apart from that, during my search, I didn't notice a suspicious drop in posting in anyone. It's hard to really put this kind of stuff into concideration figuring we can't expect everyone to post all the time ~ my idea has many flaws T_T.

Anyways, IMO Vote : Pure Of Heart for now.

 

[camo-man]

I voted you DR? Whoops.... must have been an inactivity vote or something. Sorry, I can't remember that far.

Unvote: DeathReaver
Vote: Pure of Heart

for above reason.

 

[Kujirudo]

For now, I trust agentli's role enough to unvote him.
Unvote: agentli

 

[Uncle Meat]

Agentli, why would you claim to be someone important? If you are a power role, and non-mafia, you're pretty much begging to be nightkilled. It doesn't make sense that you would reveal your role if you are a town aligned power role. I think this means mafia. Not to mention all of the aforementioned stuff.

Then again, I don't know what your role is. Other people seem to, but you seem to contradict yourself all the time and you supported a name claim. You said 'in order of signup' which would benefit you, being at the end of the list and benefit you if you are mafia.

Vote: Agentli

 

[Arkengate]

Well, i totally agree. We really dont have time, and, well he hasnt posted at all, sounds like lurking to me, mafiascum? If not, who cares.
Ill add to the pressurevote.
Pure of Heart

 

[Arkengate]

Well, i totally agree. We really dont have time, and, well he hasnt posted at all, sounds like lurking to me, mafiascum? If not, who cares.
Ill add to the pressurevote.
Vote: Pure of Heart

 

[Lance87]

Wait a minute...that makes complete sense. I know exactly who agentli is.

If he HAS to lie as his role theen by him posting "I <3 day 1's" all the time would be his lie for that particular post. How do I know that's his lie? ...because who the His role is obviously good enough for me to unvote him and I was totally convinced he was mafia before. Good job ronike on pointing out the obvious.

unvote: agentli

The only way he's mafia is if the GM decided to make a good character mafia. Due to the nature of his characters role I think it's a little too difficult to determine so at this point.

 

[Kujirudo]

The only way he's mafia is if the GM decided to make a good character mafia. Due to the nature of his characters role I think it's a little too difficult to determine so at this point.

Exactly, that's what bothers me too. If he is who I think he is, it's almost impossible for him to be a mafia and he probally just made some stupid mistakes (which we all have sometimes). For people that still don't know who he is, just think simple. It's really not that hard.

And like Lance said too, I thank Ronike for giving that one hint. Otherwise we could have killed an innocent player.

 

[Kujirudo]

Agentli, why would you claim to be someone important? If you are a power role, and non-mafia, you're pretty much begging to be nightkilled. It doesn't make sense that you would reveal your role if you are a town aligned power role. I think this means mafia.

You could also turn this argument around. Maybe you vote on him because you think he has a power role. Meaning that you are the mafia here. I do not believe that you don't agree with us here that he is town. You should have noticed all the hints, combine those and form a perfect character.

Not to mention all of the aforementioned stuff.

Says who? You are as suspicious to me as I thought agentli was (before I thought of his role). You should mark your words just as much as he should.

Then again, I don't know what your role is. Other people seem to, but you seem to contradict yourself all the time and you supported a name claim. You said 'in order of signup' which would benefit you, being at the end of the list and benefit you if you are mafia

Like I said at the start of this post, you should have noticed everything that hinted towards his role. You should have combined all the hints and then search for a character that suits with these hints. You didn't, you just voted on him. And about the order of signup, how about that's just coincidence that he is at the bottom of the list? Could be true, could be fake. I don't know, but what I do know is that you made another post with useless arguments in it.

FoS: Uncle Meat

 

[Lance87]

Kuji- Most of the time when you post your views seem somewhat narrowminded. Just because his character is innocent doesn't mean you have to go all out and defend him like he's a definite-townie.

Never dismiss the unthinkable in mafia, the GM could make a game about kingdom hearts and give someone the role of Napolean Dynamite if he wanted to, or make the Pope part of the mafia. Nothing is set in stone...

^^Does that make sense?^^


Ok, i'm not particularly defending unclemeat but i'm gonna pick apart your post a little to make a few points because I didn't really agree with you.

Agentli, why would you claim to be someone important? If you are a power role, and non-mafia, you're pretty much begging to be nightkilled. It doesn't make sense that you would reveal your role if you are a town aligned power role. I think this means mafia. Not to mention all of the aforementioned stuff.

Then again, I don't know what your role is. Other people seem to, but you seem to contradict yourself all the time and you supported a name claim. You said 'in order of signup' which would benefit you, being at the end of the list and benefit you if you are mafia.

Vote: Agentli

The part I was referring to is bolded but I quoted the whole thing because I actually think that this is a great post on unclemeats part and makes me want to reconsider my opinion that he's scummy.

 

[Kujirudo]

Kuji- Most of the time when you post your views seem somewhat narrowminded. Just because his character is innocent doesn't mean you have to go all out and defend him like he's a definite-townie.

Never dismiss the unthinkable in mafia, the GM could make a game about kingdom hearts and give someone the role of Napolean Dynamite if he wanted to, or make the Pope part of the mafia. Nothing is set in stone...

^^Does that make sense?^^

Yes and I know what you mean. I said it before that I still don't trust agentli 100% however I do trust him enough to retract my vote.
My view seems narrowminded? Well, I do agree that I say things pretty straight if that's what you mean. My point is that UncleMeat already was suspicious in my opinion. And now, while 4 or 5 people say that they know who he is and that they're almost 100% sure that he is town, he votes on him. That is, in my opinion, quite weird. He should think up what role it could be before he votes. If 4 or 5 people know it now, it's also possible for him to think it up.

His role is obvious now, but it's not so obvious that you could think of it right away...i know i had to stare at the screen for a bit before it even dawned on me. He didn't "just vote," he gave legit reasoning. I don't think he should be chastised for not thinking really really hard about who his role might be. Also, in some peoples opinion they might know his character, realize it's probably small at best, and still take him for mafia regardless....

About that 'just voting' I didn't mean he voted out of nowhere, I mean that he just posted it as in 'a short period ago'.

 

[Chill]

Official Vote count

Pure of Heart:
Arkengate, Camo-man, Jarc

agentli: 2
Uncle Meat, ligolski
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Deadline temporarily withdrawn.

POH, is pretty much the only inactive player. So once/if he post you guys are going to have to think of something else to do.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Okay, stop saying all of this stuff about how his character makes him innocent. I have never played KH, so none of these role hints are doing anything for me. I find him really suspicious, so I vote for him. I never said that he necessarily did want a role claim because he was at the end of the list. I said IF he is mafia. It's not the only reason I voted for him. The arguments are not useless. Where are my arguments useless? Why the hell do you seem bent on accusing me on all of these things? None of my posts say 'this guy is obviously mafia'. I'm always open to changing my position, and I feel that my posts make that relatively clear.

I may end up lynching Pure of Heart, because I also think lynching inactives would be a good idea and nobody else seems to want agentli gone, but I am very suspicious of him.