"Kickin' A** and Takin' Names" :: Sheik Reference Thread (Last Updated: 8/15/08)

[stealthsushi]

"Kickin' A** and Takin' Names"
>> A Sheik Reference Thread <<​

Hey everyone. I thought I'd contribute a little to the Sheik forum by concentrating all the useful (but unfortunately scarce) Sheik informational threads into this one post. Hopefully this will breathe some life into this dying forum The name of the thread pretty much summarizes what Sheik does best:

Kick A$$ and Take Names​

And nothing helps Sheik players more than knowing the sexiest ninja around like the back of your hand. This thread provides links to the treasure trove (or ninja stash) of Sheik information that'll add an extra f-tilt (or kick if you didn't get the Sheik humor) to your game. If its really useful, maybe it'll even get Stickied :D (hint hint)

This will be a continuous work in progress that I hope will have many future additions to it


Guides

Sheik Matchup Listings by Ankoku
Curious to see which matchups Sheik utterly dominates, and which ones where she has to pull out all the stops to win? Look no further as this thread continues to discuss, revise, and revamp its matchup listings to see how Sheik fits into today's metagame!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174741

Weekly Matchup Discussion by StealthSushi
A supplement to the Sheik's Matchup Listing that goes in-depth on how to generally approach a particular matchup. Useful tips and guidelines can be found here to your Sheik an extra edge!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183577

Sheik Changes/In-Depth Attacks/1v1 Video Thread by Ankoku
The one and only Sheik guide made by none other than Ankoku. Inside is a list of changes to Sheik between her move from Melee to the Brawl scene and a detailed description of all of her moves. Also, there are a stash of 1v1 videos demonstrating how Sheik can be played. Its THE place to visit if you plan on harnessing Sheik's badass skillz. (Hopefully, the guide will be further updated! :] )
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=147752

Shield Pressuring for Dummies by Ankoku
Kick, punch, and claw your way into your opponents shield with Ankoku's "Shield Pressuring for Dummies" Once you read this, you'll be able to 'apply the pressure'... whenever, wherever.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=171825

Sheiky Little Devil - A Guide to Everything by Sinking Higher
Did you know you can reduce the lag on your roll by using needles? Want to learn some nice tricks that you can do with Sheik's moves? Sinking Higher has provided a comprehensive guide (with pictures!) that illustrate and describe how to perform some of Sheik's advanced techniques and tricks.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179565


Technical Jargon

F-Tilt Lock by Ankoku
Looking to frustrate your friends, family, and foes to no end? Then look no further as Ankoku provides extremely valuable information regarding Sheik's awesome F-Tilt. It lists the characters and the percentages at which a character can be (almost) endlessly caught in Sheik's ROUNDHOUSE KICKS of PAIN.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172012

F-Tilt Set Ups: Complete by Tristan_Win
Have you realized the potential of Sheik's long legs? You will now with Tristan_Win's F-Tilt Set Ups thread that provides percentages at which a character can be sweetspot F-Tilted and immediately followed up with a strong N-Air. A great place to figure out when you can combine two of Sheik's best moves into one painful and elegant combo!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175241

Sheik Frame Data by Ankoku
Frame data collected by Ankoku on all of Sheik's attacks, specials, and movements. An essential thread for any Sheik looking to have that extra edge knowing that your N-air hits in an astonishing TWO frames!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178230

Trip Data by StealthSushi
Skeptical? Some of Sheik's attacks can actually trip the opponent! The even weirder part is that her aerials are the ones tripping 'em up. Come here to find the rough percentages at which some of Sheik's attacks can trip an opponent so next time you can follow up appropriately instead of going wtf :D
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179838


Useful Tips, Tricks, and Ninja Goods

Dash Attack Cancelled into Up-Smash by wtZzz
You've seen Snake do it, and guess what, Sheik can do it too! Read this thread for information regarding Sheik's "Boost Smash," and the benefits that come with mastering this increasingly difficult-to-get-consistent AT!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159314

The Chain :: A Guide to Sheik's Underrated Weapon by StealthSushi
Never expected the Chain to be any good besides as a tether recovery did you? Read about the Chain's pros, cons, and tricks here. Also learn how to utilize Sheik's shield destroying Chain Lock/Reverse Chain Lock and laugh at Meta Knight with Sheik's Chain Jacket, which imbues the chain with ANY of Sheik's moves! Just imagine having each and every chain hit turn into a strong B-Air I see that smile creeping on your face, so come and indulge yourself!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178812

Thoughts and Results on Sheik's Forward Smash Testing by Tristan_Win
Everyone knows by know that Sheik's F-Smash is still as situational as its Melee counterpart, but given Sheik's less-than-stellar KO potential (she's a ninja for godsakes!), ensuring the second-hit is essential to Sheik's KO options. Tristan_Win provides some interesting facts about the nature of this smash attack to let Sheik-users from all around to recognize its potential!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170705

Nasty 80% Combo That Works on Multiple Characters by GuiltyPleasure
Think combos don't exist? Think Shiek's lost her combo-crazy edge? Come here and be amazed at one of Sheik's difficult, yet insidiously ingenious footstool combo with needle reset! It can rack up to 80% damage in a matter of seconds, looks ridiculously awesome, and will be sure to wow all your non-Sheik maining friends.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=180917

Sheik's Aerials Dissected by Gimpyfish62
Gimpyfish goes in-depth with Sheik's aerials, detailing their usefulness and application in the heat of battle. You will also find some valuable KO percentages posted by Ankoku within the thread.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172721

Up-B (Vanish) Information by Tristan_Win
Tristan_Win presents two very nice in-depth looks at Sheik's second-most powerful KO tool: Vanish. Aside from being harder to sweetspot, Vanish has been buffed in a lot of aspects: Better KO, less ending lag, larger damage radius, easier to slide, and a possibility for a lag-less landing! These two threads looks to unlock the hidden potential of Vanish as an approach, mind-game tool, and a stylish edge-guard.
(Lag-less Landing) http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167722
(Approach/Slide Guard) http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=168619

Sheik's Chain Recovery Cancel by Gimpyfish62
A useful trick that will add even more variety to Sheik's flexible recovery game. Gimpyfish explains how to perform this trick and its uses.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=173122

Wave Dash Tech for Sheik by God-is-my-Rock
God-is-my-Rock provides a video demonstration on how to utilize Sheik's crawl to perform a pseudo-wavedash. Read into it to learn about its uses and possible mind-game applications!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170682

Edge-Stall Trick on FD (and Pokemon Stadium 1) by StealthSushi
Sheik's a ledge-***** and you know it. Vanish guard, vanish glide, chain tricks-- Sheik's got an endless supply of tricks to hog, defend, and abuse that ledge. Come here and learn how to perform one of Sheik's stage-specific ledge tricks!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=180368


Videos

Sheik Tricks Vol.1 by Ankoku
Looking to see the results of Sheik's ninja training? Come here and witness Ankoku demonstrate a few of Sheik's essential tricks:
Rapid Dash Dance, Fox Trot, Auto-Cancelled Aerials, Vanish Glide, Jab Cancel, Chain Ledge Stall, Needle Slide, Chain Edge Hog, and The Chain.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=one2x4GPzVE

Choknater's Sheik Videos by Choknater
Choknater provides a valuable look into Sheik's potential with tournament videos, crew matches, and friendlies.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170400

Gimpyfish's Sheik Tournament Videos by Gimpyfish62
Gimpy shows us a demonstration of what Sheik can do versus SoCal's best player, Futile (Wario). If you're looking for the video where Futile gets triple stocked by Sheik, here's the place to look
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=176665

Champ's Sheik Videos by Charoo (Champ)
A Sheik-only user that showcases an aggressive style. If you're looking for a good example of applying the pressure with Sheik, stop by here!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186772

Community

Ninjas of the Shadow: A Sheik Clan by Kricu
Finally convinced Sheik is your main man? Come join the Sheik Clan, "Ninjas of the Shadow," and become a part of the Sheik community! Share brawl friend codes, chit chat, and contribute to the growing Sheik metagame!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=161705

Sheik Player Listing by Ankoku
Wonder who represents Sheik? Then click below!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188648


Changelog:
[June 26 2008] Initial post.
[June 27 2008] Added "F-Tilt Set Ups: Incomplete," "Ninjas of the Shadow: A Sheik Clan," and "Choknater's Sheik Videos." Later added "^B Information Threads 1 & 2" and "Thoughts and Results on Sheik F-Smash Testing."
[June 28 2008] Added "Sheik Tricks: Vol.1"
[June 30 2008] Added "The Chain-- Pros and Cons Regarding Sheik's Long Forgotten Weapon"
[July 4 2008] Added "Trip Data," Gimpyfish Videos, "Edge-Stall Trick on FD"
[July 10 2008] Added "Sheik Specials - Nifty Tricks Compendium" and "Nasty 80% Combo That Works on Multiple Characters." Updated some existing threads. Reorganized a few for easier reading.
[August 15 2008] Removed Needle-Dashing article (debunked). Reorganized some of the sections. Added "Weekly Matchup Discussion," "Champ's Sheik Videos," and "Sheik Player Listing." Renamed SinkingHigher's thread title to match its new content.




Go Sheik!!

 

[Squidster]

Ankoku ankoku ankoku ankoku ankoku

 

[slickmasterizzy]

LOL i made this kind of thread halfway earlier today you leet haxor you!

i got the dash cancel upsmash down its freaking AWESOME to watch. ive yet to find it to be real useful other then to use once and have your enemy go after the match

WTF MAN WTF

that itself is worth learning it though

nice post =D

 

[demodemo]

like it

love it

fapfap

 

[choknater]

Deserves sticky.

I was thinking about writing a guide soon, too.

 

[stealthsushi]

The more guides the better :D I'd love to see Sheik's metagame developed more.

 

[Tristan_win]

I broke my *** making some of my threads and I don't even get named drop?

That's some bull **** right there

 

[stealthsushi]

This is still a work in progress and I'm still skimming through the Sheik boards to find more threads. I haven't even included a link to the Ninja's of the Shadow Sheik Clan thread, Choknater's videos, and your F-Tilt Set-up thread. Those'll be added soon

 

[Tristan_win]

This is still a work in progress and I'm still skimming through the Sheik boards to find more threads. I haven't even included a link to the Ninja's of the Shadow Sheik Clan thread, Choknater's videos, and your F-Tilt Set-up thread. Those'll be added soon

I see...

...Well some threads have fallen out of the 3 page limit so you wont be able to see all of my threads

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=168619
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167722
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170705

"^B Information" is the only one I see not making the cut but since that piece of information isn't listed anywhere else on this boards I wouldn't be too surprise if you added it as well.

 

[stealthsushi]

Thanks for the links, I do remember reading these but I couldn't find them in the forum. I thought they dissapeared :O I wonder why there's a 3 page limit here, its not like the Sheik forums is cranking out new topics and threads every minute. lol.

I'll add these ASAP Lag-less vanish = sex.

 

[ADHD]

LOL i made this kind of thread halfway earlier today you leet haxor you!

i got the dash cancel upsmash down its freaking AWESOME to watch. ive yet to find it to be real useful other then to use once and have your enemy go after the match

WTF MAN WTF

that itself is worth learning it though

nice post =D

WAAAAAAAAAAY ahead of you buddy

 

[stealthsushi]

It looks like the Reference Thread is making good strides Keep the guides and discussion rolling along. If there are any really useful threads that I've missed, let me know; sometimes its hard to dig through the forums.

Hopefully this'll get stickied

 

[Tristan_win]

It should get sticky

My only regret is that I didn't mention the ^B returning animation can stop people momentum. The only reason I didn't even bring it up was because at the time when I did those studies a thread was already made recently asking about that so I thought it was common knowledge.

Now like three separate people have asked or pointed out the same thing and there's no research thread to point it out to them...

~Shrugs~

Maybe I should update one of them or something....Thinking of which I should get my lazy *** up and start doing some tilt set up percentages.

 

[<π]

good thread

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Sticky Necessary!!

This is an awesome guide for Sheiks' of all skill levels.

 

[stealthsushi]

Added some more to the reference thread. I hope some of the older threads linked on this page will get updated/cleaned up in the future :D The one's I'd love to see in particular are the "Frame Data" and "F-Tilt Lock Follow Ups." Knowledge is power (and power = Sheik), 'nuff said :D

 

[Tristan_win]

What was this doing on the 2nd page! and better yet how come this hasn't been stickyed?

Anyways I finish the Nair section of my "F-Tilt Set Ups" thread.

I'm think about making a new section within the thread detailing about the down smash percentages so stay tune

 

[stealthsushi]

Nice work Tristan_Win :D

I hope this gets stickied soon too. Whose the mod for the Sheik Board btw? Is it Gimpy?
I'm hoping to do a little clean-up on these sections later. If I got time, I'm thinking about compiling all the talk about Vanish into a guide. Gotta study for a midterm tho Heh.

I'll be looking forward to the D-Smash guide. No one seems to talk about it too much considering its one of Sheik's best defensive moves, hits multiple times, and comes out in 4 frames.

 

[Tristan_win]

The 4 frame part is what making this testing really easy.

No longer do I have to either buff the jump before the nair or hitting the buttons at the same time. It's just a simple flick of the C stick now.

Although...Back in the day I learned that you can change directions doing the downsmash and I've seen the back part of Sheik down smash hit muti times before...I wonder if it was just poor DI on their part . ~runs back to testing~

Meh, the two hitter look to only work in the super low percents like below 20%

Edit2: More like 10% T_T It's pretty useless and hard to space since you have to hit them what looks to me around the knee area of the first kick.

 

[stealthsushi]

How much slower is the D-Smash when you are facing away from the enemy? Also, you can change your direction DURING the D-Smash?? Can't wait to see how this guide's gonna come out

 

[slickmasterizzy]

Finally convinced Sheik is your main man?

 

[slickmasterizzy]

shieks not a man! shes just a manly looking woman lol

 

[stealthsushi]

If everyone reads all the threads and isn't convinced, I'd be surprised XD Haha. As for the D-Smash testing, looks like the two hitter won't be too useful then; but thats fine-- 4 frame smash = win :D

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

very good thread
thank you

 

[Arigon]

I really wish someone would sticky this it would really help out a lot of shieks.

 

[Zankoku]

Random thought:
Ledgedrop needle cancel allows you to edgeguard with a fair straight from the ledge, which may help with certain heights that you can't accomplish easily from on-stage.

Also, bumping this thread because it has a lot of useful links.

 

[stealthsushi]

Thanks for the bump, I'm hoping this will get stickied so it won't get lost in the Sheik boards :D

For the ledgedrop needle cancel, do you just let go and toss reverse-needles for it to cancel? I don't remember reading about this technique and imagining how it'd look boggles my mind. It'd be awesome if you could elaborate on it a little bit or refer me to a thread!

 

[Zankoku]

Perhaps I will record a video of it sometime tomorrow night, but I thought what I said was rather straightforward, ze..

Well, I suppose there are a bunch of things getting gathered that I need to actually make good on a Vol. 2....


saaaaa, so troublesome.

 

[Tristan_win]

If your going to make a 2nd one Ankoku make sure you add changing directions with aerial needle cancel and DACUS.

 

[stealthsushi]

After reading it again for a few times, I think I understand what the ledgedropped needle cancel is (I hope). Haha. For Sheik Tricks Vol.2, I'd suggest you add:

-Variations of the Vanish Glide
-DACUS
-Chain Jacket
-Wall Stalls on FD and Pokemon Stadium 1
-Aerial Needle Cancel
-Needle Dashing (where you cancel you're dash with needles, cancel the needles, then perform your attack)
-That transformation trick mentioned in the tricks thread.
-Lag-less Vanish

Everyone simply LOVED Sheik Tricks, Vol.1 (even me, and I had seen them all before!). Can't wait for #2.

Also, out of curiosity, is it possible for Sheik to do that D-Air recovery that Toon Link can perform? Where you jump and D-Air at the same time to gain horizontal distance? Never could seem to get it to work, but the general consensus was that it worked with all characters with a Stall-then-Fall aerial.

*Edit* I also forgot to add that sick Sheik Footstool-to-Needle-Reset combo to the list. People go giddy for such an awesome combo :D

 

[Villi]

How is it that I never heard or thought about needle dashing before this moment? Brilliant!

I tried that ledge drop reverse needle charge cancel to fair at the edge thing a bunch of times against my friend's Sonic, Ankoku. It's difficult to time and it leaves you without a double jump if something goes wrong. I would just wait on the tip of the stage, dash and fast fall a fair off the edge at the right moment. It's roughly the same thing.

 

[Zankoku]

Needle dashing is useless. I proved a long time ago that it's about 10 frames slower than just flickering your shield to stop your dash, because it has a stupidly long "start charging" and "stop charging" animation.

 

[Villi]

Aw. Yeah, it didn't seem that great when I tried it. Nice to be certain shielding is the better option.

 

[Tristan_win]

In the name of everything cheap I breath life back into this thread so are ninja brother.....ninja sisters may improve!

 

[stealthsushi]

Heh, I think Ankoku should be made a moderator of the Sheik boards so we can have someone whose active here to sticky this :D

 

[Tristan_win]

I demand we get this stickied!

A thread this useful should not be all the way back on the third fricken page!

I haven't mention this to anyone but a few weeks ago I sent a message to a mod asking for this thread to be stickied and I've have yet to received a responds, perhaps if we send messages to the moderates as a group asking for a sticky some action will be taken.

Does anyone agree?

 

[stealthsushi]

I agree. Nothing's been stickied here for... forever. Heh. Which moderator should we ask?

 

[Tristan_win]

Edit: We Love You Gimpy!

 

[stealthsushi]

HOORAY!! The sticky has finally come!

 

[Flamingo777]

Man I wanna try needle dashing