Greenstreet
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i love it.... good stuff
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Keep Losing? Try this...
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Liquid_Kai?
Smash Apprentice
Very useful
The section about randomly spamming buttons is so true
The section about randomly spamming buttons is so true
azninvasion812
Smash Rookie
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very good info you have here
Hydra.
Smash Lord
Most of it i didnt understand. T.T
Smash Saej
Smash Cadet
I like this stuff, but i think it is more important to take advantage of someone attacking, rather than focus on the defense. When someone attacks me, i try to find the lag time of that move, and punish them for it. When someone is attacking, they cant block or protect themselves, and that is when you attack. when they start to play defensively, that is when i begin throwing.
digitalmaster287
Smash Journeyman
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This is probably what I always end up doing with Marth. Whenever I start a Dancing Blade, I always tend to finish it whether or not my opponent and roll dodged too far to reach or jumped away from it. In doing so, it leaves me open to attack afterwards. That and spacing is really important for Marth and his tippers too. That was a really good and helpful read, especially with a lot of new players who come to this website hoping to learn some awesome AT to win them games lol.
eyestrain92
Smash Journeyman
I'll be honest. I almost hated you that entire read, but I've got to thank you. You might have helped me double my capability right there.
My friend is wizardly with any character he picks up, and I never seemed to understand why he predicted me so obviously. My strategy usually consists of shift my vision to my opponent(s) and then to myself and chase, don't worry about sweet spots and angles so much as getting them off the ledge.
Your vision idea, that's interesting, and you seem to be right. I should know what I'm doing, I shouldn't have to waste time reminding myself I'm right in front of myself.
Spacing. I need to work on this. I usually just roll, jump or spot dodge out of attacks. I've missed so many potential opportunities for KO just using these three methods I feel ashamed.
This is the kind of help thread I've dreamt of. I'll try applying your methods and see if they work for me. I thank you greatly for this contribution, it's better than almost 60% of what I see here.
My friend is wizardly with any character he picks up, and I never seemed to understand why he predicted me so obviously. My strategy usually consists of shift my vision to my opponent(s) and then to myself and chase, don't worry about sweet spots and angles so much as getting them off the ledge.
Your vision idea, that's interesting, and you seem to be right. I should know what I'm doing, I shouldn't have to waste time reminding myself I'm right in front of myself.
Spacing. I need to work on this. I usually just roll, jump or spot dodge out of attacks. I've missed so many potential opportunities for KO just using these three methods I feel ashamed.
This is the kind of help thread I've dreamt of. I'll try applying your methods and see if they work for me. I thank you greatly for this contribution, it's better than almost 60% of what I see here.
InfiniteSmash1221
Smash Cadet
Good advice. Have to admit i'm still working on breaking the habit of focusing my vision on my character and committing to some of my attacks. 
Fornax
Smash Rookie
This is an excellent summary of how this game should be played intelligently
hippochinfat!!
Smash Lord
Or you could pick Snake.
AfroThunder396
Smash Cadet
Great read, like you said these are things we should all know but rarely ever think about.
LuigiKing
Smash Lord
Great post there TC. This is exactly what I try to explain to my friends who want to get actually good at the game, but none of them seem to get it. I pick up their character to do a mirror match and win every time just because I have better fundamentals. I try and tell people not to just walk into an attack just because they are so hungry to get a forward smash off, but it just doesn't work. It is really hard to teach someone how to play smash properly...
Fire!
Smash Champion
Its amazing how you can extend the simpleist of advice into something like that.
Very Good Read
deadsilence325/Narx
Smash Rookie
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I am really glad that I found this thread. My gameplay has deteriorated causing me to chose the offensive route over the defensive. I had comepletely thrown aside my defensive style for the idea of charging in with reckless abandon. Thanks for reminding me about how patience really wins the battle. I believe this is a must read for any new smash players. Great job and thanks again.
Vect0r
Smash Journeyman
Very interesting. Next time i'll be a little more defensive.
chaos_Leader
Smash Lord
This is an invaluable read, even if it is a simple idea explored.
good example:
recently I played against a Mario player, excellent player. But he would always always always, approach with a sh-> fireball or some minor variation thereof. So I start thinking, 'he really expects me to block or reflect the fireballs' I was playing Fox at the time. So instead of taking the fireballs or reflecting them (which would leave me open for a split second) I used Fox's speed, agility and small target to maneuver past the fireballs and punish Mario. I won that match and held my own pretty well against that particular player, simply because I watch and think while maintaining my own unpredictability.
good example:
recently I played against a Mario player, excellent player. But he would always always always, approach with a sh-> fireball or some minor variation thereof. So I start thinking, 'he really expects me to block or reflect the fireballs' I was playing Fox at the time. So instead of taking the fireballs or reflecting them (which would leave me open for a split second) I used Fox's speed, agility and small target to maneuver past the fireballs and punish Mario. I won that match and held my own pretty well against that particular player, simply because I watch and think while maintaining my own unpredictability.
LegionBrawler
Smash Apprentice
Thank you this helps alot for someone new like me
Samuelson
Smash Lord
Yes, simply "not getting hit" will probably help my game a lot. I just need to work on spacing more and not getting shield grabbed!
^^^^^^^^
I find that your more likely to get shield grabed if you stand too far away from your opponent for too long. But like you said in your own post, its all about spacing.
I find that your more likely to get shield grabed if you stand too far away from your opponent for too long. But like you said in your own post, its all about spacing.
in a difficult match thats hard to achieve whole hearitdly, but no truer piece of advice none the less. Your defensive is JUST as important as your offense. And both should be practiced on.
never thought of doing this, but i'll give it a shot. Nice read. Voted 5
Noa.
Smash Master
A good thread, and it'll help people new to smash.
Phoxhound
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as a person who sucks huge and has no access to other people to play with I find the level 1-3 CPU training quite helpful. I still suck at it, but I'll just keep workin on it.
Dantarion
Smash Champion
I guess ill add my two cents.
The thing that has taken me from being a decent player to one that dominates is pretty much learning to "play" with my opponents, and wait for them to do something instead of acting on my own.
For example:
I am dk, and my opponent has just hit the ground, and is lying down. I am far away from in on FD
He can.
1. Get up attack
2. Roll Forward.
3. Roll Backwards.
4. Stand up
After playing, ive noticed that rolling towards your opponent almost never works, and most people instinctively retreat after missing a tech.
Ill run towards him. If he gets up, I grab, if he getup attacks, ill grab or ftilt, depending on distance. And, if he rolls backwards, i grab. If he does roll forward, hes too far away to do anything to me, and shorthop bair after running past this roll might punish him too.
You have to play a lot of matches, and look at patterns of what people do.
Shielding, Grabbing, and Walking, are very important, and knowing how much range you and your opponent have is even more so.
I played isai a few times online in ssb, and he 5 stocked me with DK. At the time, I could hold my own against all the other players online except for a few, and I was shocked. NOTHING i did worked. None of my combos, none of my tricks, nothing.
And then I realized my problem. I had all these moves in my head, and they linked together and worked well, but I couldn't get the first hit off. He was dodging the hell out of everything, and then attacking me when I whiffed.
And the way he dodges, even in ssbb, was different that just avoiding the attack. Its almost as if every attack grazed his face, so that right after, he could hit me with whatever he wanted.
Playing SSB online with people as good as him is what made me better at playing melee when I didn't have opponents. Then I realized that simply tech chasing against bad players was good enough to **** them.
The thing that has taken me from being a decent player to one that dominates is pretty much learning to "play" with my opponents, and wait for them to do something instead of acting on my own.
For example:
I am dk, and my opponent has just hit the ground, and is lying down. I am far away from in on FD
He can.
1. Get up attack
2. Roll Forward.
3. Roll Backwards.
4. Stand up
After playing, ive noticed that rolling towards your opponent almost never works, and most people instinctively retreat after missing a tech.
Ill run towards him. If he gets up, I grab, if he getup attacks, ill grab or ftilt, depending on distance. And, if he rolls backwards, i grab. If he does roll forward, hes too far away to do anything to me, and shorthop bair after running past this roll might punish him too.
You have to play a lot of matches, and look at patterns of what people do.
Shielding, Grabbing, and Walking, are very important, and knowing how much range you and your opponent have is even more so.
I played isai a few times online in ssb, and he 5 stocked me with DK. At the time, I could hold my own against all the other players online except for a few, and I was shocked. NOTHING i did worked. None of my combos, none of my tricks, nothing.
And then I realized my problem. I had all these moves in my head, and they linked together and worked well, but I couldn't get the first hit off. He was dodging the hell out of everything, and then attacking me when I whiffed.
And the way he dodges, even in ssbb, was different that just avoiding the attack. Its almost as if every attack grazed his face, so that right after, he could hit me with whatever he wanted.
Playing SSB online with people as good as him is what made me better at playing melee when I didn't have opponents. Then I realized that simply tech chasing against bad players was good enough to **** them.
panique365
Smash Cadet
This is a really good guide
TriforceMaster5282
Smash Apprentice
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thanx so much! I use toonlink and keep losing, and now im winning! ur a saver!
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
good thread i think u posted this too on AiB, i think i commented it on there unless if that was some other thread. but this really does help, and thx i really do give into these basic mistakes, pretty much all of them that you adressed. and i never thought of fighting a lvl 1-3 comp instead of lvl 9... thats a good idea. im guessing its just cus its easier to space and perfect the basics right?
i think u posted this too on AiB, i think i commented it on there unless if that was some other thread. but this really does help, and thx i really do give into these basic mistakes, pretty much all of them that you adressed. and i never thought of fighting a lvl 1-3 comp instead of lvl 9... thats a good idea. im guessing its just cus its easier to space and perfect the basics right?tyler36
Smash Cadet
this is a nice topic thanks fo4 helping
toon_marth
Smash Ace
long post, but very helpful ^_^. Its sad how most people forget that basics are key, and fancy moves and strategies are just add-ons. Thanks for taking the time to post that great advice!
Try using the Classic Controller or Gamecube controller then.