K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[_R@bid_]

God, I'm really freaking scared. While I know the roster is already finalized, he may have already known beforehand as a Nintendo employee, and even if not it seems the Kremlings are getting abandoned by Nintendo. Combined with the whole Forbidden 7 thing, I'm very worried we'll get Dixie instead, and while she's my favorite Kong now after starting DKC2, she's no K Rool.
Please show me I'm utterly wrong. I don't want to be right.

 

[Ultinarok]

You know what would suck? Not getting Ridley, K. Rool or Mewtwo in favor of Wii Fit Trainer, a character no one on earth asked for. Especially with him saying there will be fewer newcomers. But I'll try to avoid pessimism like that because...that just...couldn't happen. I mean he wouldn't just spend all of his resources on her and cut them...right?

 

[BKupa666]

God, I'm really freaking scared. While I know the roster is already finalized, he may have already known beforehand as a Nintendo employee, and even if not it seems the Kremlings are getting abandoned by Nintendo. Combined with the whole Forbidden 7 thing, I'm very worried we'll get Dixie instead, and while she's my favorite Kong now after starting DKC2, she's no K Rool.
Please show me I'm utterly wrong. I don't want to be right.

If that were the case, it would only help Dixie, not hurt K. Rool. Know why you shouldn't fear? Megaman was a fan favorite, but had a decent number of 'relevance' dissenters as well, was third party, and, while popular, lacked the universal support Sonic had, due to everyone out there clamoring for Pac-Man, Lloyd, Bayonetta, Layton, etc. in the mad third party rush now present among Smash fans.

Sakurai defied them and included him. I see no reason he won't do the same with each of the three characters Ultinarok listed above, especially considering they'd all be easier to add, with the possible exception of Ridley.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Wow....today's announcements were very sobering for K. Rool supporters. I'm naturally more inclined to be pessimistic, but on a positive note, Nintendo has displayed that they've forgotten about DKC3's existence, so K. Rool is at least more likely to be playable in Tropical Freeze than Kiddy is.

I fully expect Funky though, if not Tiny. I'll give Lanky a slight chance, but Funky is who I'd bet on.

 

[Ultinarok]

Wow....today's announcements were very sobering for K. Rool supporters. I'm naturally more inclined to be pessimistic, but on a positive note, Nintendo has displayed that they've forgotten about DKC3's existence, so K. Rool is at least more likely to be playable in Tropical Freeze than Kiddy is.

I fully expect Funky though, if not Tiny. I'll give Lanky a slight chance, but Funky is who I'd bet on.

If its any consolation, Dedede was kind of fading from the picture before Brawl the same way K. Rool has, yet popular demand still ushered him in. Sure, he didn't have to contend with another popular addition like Rool does, but still.

 

[Kantrip]

Wow....today's announcements were very sobering for K. Rool supporters. I'm naturally more inclined to be pessimistic, but on a positive note, Nintendo has displayed that they've forgotten about DKC3's existence, so K. Rool is at least more likely to be playable in Tropical Freeze than Kiddy is.

I fully expect Funky though, if not Tiny. I'll give Lanky a slight chance, but Funky is who I'd bet on.

They were in an airplane at the start of the game. Funky Kong confirmed.

If K. Rool is getting in, it was never relevance that was going to do it for him. I don't consider his chances hurt anymore. He's still popular everywhere.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Posted this in the Ridley thread, but thought that it might fit in here too, just a small theory that I have:

Okay, I'm dumping in with some speculation here guys, so take this with a grain of salt.

Now obviously only characters for new franchises were announced (is Wii Fit even a franchise lol?) so Ridley K. Rool wasn't a valid reveal for yesterday.

However, I noticed something, two characters have been upped in status. We all remember the main 4 characters of Brawl: Mario, Link, Kirby and Pikachu. However this time the wheels have turned, Kirby and Pikachu have been booted off their status. In their time they brought 2 newcomers to Brawl each: Pkmn Trainer, Lucario, MK and DDD. Given that their franchises have been completed (except for Mewtwo missing who's just a returning character) that's likely the reason their importance have been minimized. Of course Mario and Link are too popular and iconic to boot off this position.

The thing I find interesting though is that in Kirby and Pikachu's place DK and Samus have replaced them as the main 4, putting themselves up to a higher status, and dragging Kirby and Pikachu down. It could be that this has happened because DK and Metroid will get a newcomer each (given the supposed smaller roster) and Kirby and Pokemon won't. Thus, Ridley might just be around the corner, probably along with K. Rool.

Still, take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Deleted member]

I used to think K. Rool was the most likely DK Newcomer with Dixie 2nd.

After E3, I feel the opposite.
Unless that mysterious 4th player character in Tropical Freeze happens to be K. Rool himself, which would be strange yet awesome.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I think I'd actually prefer to see K. Rool playable than as the game's ultimate antagonist. It'd be a nice twist, and he has tons of great potential for interesting abilities.

 

[Neanderthal]

I used to think K. Rool was the most likely DK Newcomer with Dixie 2nd.

After E3, I feel the opposite.
Unless that mysterious 4th player character in Tropical Freeze happens to be K. Rool himself, which would be strange yet awesome.

What changed your mind?

 

[Deleted member]

Dixie returning in the spotlight as one of the main heroes while K. Rool still has yet to show his face, with Vikings taking his place this time instead of Tikis.

 

[BKupa666]

If its any consolation, Dedede was kind of fading from the picture before Brawl the same way K. Rool has, yet popular demand still ushered him in. Sure, he didn't have to contend with another popular addition like Rool does, but still.

Meta Knight.

Well, on the bright side, there's now actual discussion to be had in here regarding Tropical Freeze.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dixie returning in the spotlight as one of the main heroes while K. Rool still has yet to show his face, with Vikings taking his place this time instead of Tikis.

Toad got in the new Mario game before Dr.Mario and Waluigi. Shut up please.

Dear Kuttroaths, don't be affraid yet! Sure, Dixie's reveal in DKCR2 does seem to imply that at this moment she's more likely to appear than our beloved K.Rool. Though, to be honest, he still has a shot. Face it or not, due to Dixie's easier to implement style, and her playable status in DKC2 and DKC3, and being planned for Brawl nonetheless, she always should've been considered to be a worthy opponent for K.Rool anyway.

And even with the Vikings, the Kremlings could easily return for the last part of the (sure to be) DKCR triology. I mean, c'mon, the series returned in full glory, and seeing how many things DKCR2 fixed (water levels, Dixie, DAVID WISE OMGOMGOMG) I'm completely sure that Retro WILL bring the Kremlings back for the epic ending of this triology. And even then, I highly doubt DK would be out of the picture. THE APE WILL RISE AGAIN! And if the ape rises, a certain Krokodile King will surely respond with a maniac jealousy! There's also still Camelot, and their interest in a DK64 sequel.

DON'T GIVE UP HOPE YET KUTTTROATHS!

 

[FalKoopa]

Toad got in the new Mario game before Dr.Mario and Waluigi. Shut up please.

Waluigi appeared in Mario Kart 8.

The trailer even showed Tingle but no Impa.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Waluigi appeared in Mario Kart 8.

The trailer even showed Tingle but no Impa.

Where's Tingle? He's not playable at least. Think they've got enough joke characters now

Also, is Diddy in Mario Kart 8 yet?

For the Kuttroaths:

 

[FalKoopa]

Where's Tingle? He's not playable at least.

In Wind Waker HD. He's back in the spotlight, baby.

And seeing that SSB4 decided to use TP Link instead of SS, Impa and Ghirahim's chances have taken a hit.

 

[Diddy Kong]

In Wind Waker HD. He's back in the spotlight, baby.

And seeing that SSB4 decided to use TP Link instead of SS, Impa and Ghirahim's chances have taken a hit.

Oh for ****s sake why the hell are you taking this here? My intend of my post was to raise morale for King K.Rool, yet you are here replying only on ONE sentance. Wonderful, just wonderful FalKoopz

To keep it short: Link is a TP and SS hybrid character, and seeing his reveal with the never seen before Hyrule Castle that clearly isn't from TP, he's pretty much Smash Link. And nothing more. He still has SS colors, the blue blade swings, and we have Skyloft and no TP stage. TP Link looked far more dark than this dude. It's simply... not him. You are all overhyped seeing that TP styled Zelda again, but it likely won't be her anyway. She's likely a SS / TP hybrid like Link. Yes, that COULD mean Sheik is still there. But does that mean Impa is deconfrimed? No.

My whole point wasn't talking about Impa anyway. More to make GoldenY shut up about his stupid ****, and again, raise morale from another fanbase that took a hit: the very one we're using his topic for discussing Link's design. Again. King K.Rool >>> Impa for me, and I've said that many times. Now take the Link and Zelda discussions somewhere else please.

 

[volbound1700]

I am hoping for both but if DK only gets one new character, it will likely be Dixie Kong.

 

[FalKoopa]

Oh for ****s sake why the hell are you taking this here?

To piss you off, and I was successful.

But yeah, I'll stop being off-topic and hope that K. Rool appears in DKCR2 in some form.

After the Wii Fit trainer, we are due for a requested character to soften the blow, and a K. Rool or Ridley reveal will do that perfectly.

 

[MasterMushroom]

God, I'm really freaking scared. While I know the roster is already finalized, he may have already known beforehand as a Nintendo employee, and even if not it seems the Kremlings are getting abandoned by Nintendo. Combined with the whole Forbidden 7 thing, I'm very worried we'll get Dixie instead, and while she's my favorite Kong now after starting DKC2, she's no K Rool.
Please show me I'm utterly wrong. I don't want to be right.

Contrary to popular belief, the roster is not finalized. The initial roster is, but not the full roster. To assume such is foolish considering this wasn't the case with brawl nor melee; he still adds characters along the development process. Until he says it himself on twitter, it'll be safe to say that it is

 

[BKupa666]

It's perfectly safe to say that the vast majority of the roster is set in stone, and has been for a while, as has been the case previously. But even this isn't terribly important. The incredible momentum K. Rool has been gaining from the moment Diddy was confirmed August 2007 until now hasn't just up and vanished. It was certainly prominent when development began for this game, and before any Retro DKC title was conceptualized. Whether or not Sakurai acted on this this has nothing to do with Tropical Freeze, though I'd wager Dixie now has a deathgrip on the 'last minute Luigified clone' slot if she isn't already in.

That said, speaking of death, Tropical Freeze has rendered K. Rool's future quite plain; appear in Smash and return to prominence, or miss out and fade into oblivion, replaced by Kung-Fu Panda villains.

 

[Johnknight1]

In the DKC Tropical Freeze Developer Direct, Kensuke Tanabe mentions there's a fourth playable character (around the 2:24 mark).

Could it be possible that that fourth slot is filled by the King?

That or Kiddy, or perhaps even both. Either way, that game looks awesome.

2. David Wise is doing the soundtrack. I **** a brick.

He is=??? YES!!!! YES!!!! YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what would suck? Not getting Ridley, K. Rool or Mewtwo in favor of Wii Fit Trainer, a character no one on earth asked for. Especially with him saying there will be fewer newcomers. But I'll try to avoid pessimism like that because...that just...couldn't happen. I mean he wouldn't just spend all of his resources on her and cut them...right?

I'm worried about that to, but all we can do is wait. If we get those three, and perhaps a few characters on the "wanted list" a few spots below that we're good. Honestly, I think K. Rool is a lock still, and I'm split on Mewtwo being a lock, but Ridley's chances of being playable scares me now, especially if Sakurai pulls another character out of his butt that no one wants. Really, this better be a sign the roster is really big, otherwise, this will be that character that we got over a character everyone wanted (IMO ROB over Mewtwo in Brawl was this, although that was because of poor developer planning).

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Tropical Freeze won't have any effect on Smash Bros most likely. Brawl wasn't affected by any games that were in development at the same time as it, hence why there was no Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3 representation (I can't remember if the latter mentioned had a trophy/sticker mention or two.)

While it's sad that the Kremlings are put to the side yet again, Dixie's return as a playable character in Tropical Freeze will not really hinder K. Rool's chances, he's still a shoe-in as far as I see it.

 

[Johnknight1]

Dixie returning in the spotlight as one of the main heroes while K. Rool still has yet to show his face, with Vikings taking his place this time instead of Tikis.

I think that helps Dixie's chances (if Sakurai was aware of this), but I don't think it lowers K. Rool's chances. He's now the most likely newcomer IMO with Mega Man confirmed, and with my #1 most wanted newcomer confirmed in Mega Man, I got more time to focus on him!

Contrary to popular belief, the roster is not finalized. The initial roster is, but not the full roster. To assume such is foolish considering this wasn't the case with brawl nor melee; he still adds characters along the development process. Until he says it himself on twitter, it'll be safe to say that it is

Yes, but fortunately, there could actually be DLC characters, so a situation like what happened with the Forbidden Brawl characters, specifically Mewtwo and Roy, could be done justice (the same goes with stages and content). Hopefully if such a situation occurs, we get it via DLC later (paid or not, it would be worth it IMO).

 

[BKupa666]

I'm not worried for K. Rool because the only real instance of Sakurai leaving out an immensely popular character in a non-rushed roster (Ridley) was because of specific 'effort' needed to implement him. As a popular character who would be insanely easy to implement as this game's Bowser/Dedede equivalent, I see no hurdles for K. Rool.

As far as Mewtwo goes, Sakurai responded to a 'Mewtwo in Smash?' panel question last night with the response, "We're thinking about it." After Uprising's release, Sakurai also claimed to be "thinking about" adding Pit into SSB4. Do the math, Mewtwo fans.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, K. Rool is pretty much a lock. Nothing can knock him off his pedestal as the most wanted and popular Nintendo-owned character not in Smash from one of their longest and largest franchises ever.

And while I think Mewtwo's chances are very high, I wouldn't say he's a lock. A shoe-in definitely, but a lock, no. And no, I don't think that comment means much, because that seems to be his generic answer he has for everything. Plus remember guys, Sakurai is the troll among trolls. He gives us one character we thought was unlikely, the only 3rd party newcomer we thought was a shoe-in, and a character no one saw coming. Who knows what he'll do next!!!

As for Ridley, I'm doubting he's even a shoe-in at this point, and I am very worried about his chances. Of course, the lack of shown Metroid stages and Samus' entrance being seemingly cut off in the debut trailer leaves me hopeful, while the Wii Fit Trainer (and to a lesser extent the Villager) leaves me doubtful that Ridley's chances are so high because I fear Sakurai would rather include random or fairly unpopular characters over Ridley.

And on Dixie Kong, being playable in Tropic Freeze might have helped, but her becoming a playable character in the next Donkey Kong Country was inevitable. Only a fool could see it not being a lock.

Also, I'd like to say that DKC: Tropic Freeze could have an impact on smash, as it comes out in 5 months, which is about a year before Smash Wii U and/or 3DS will likely come out. The Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 comparison is a bad one, because Galaxy and Prime 3 came out well after Brawl. However, again, it doesn't negatively effect K. Rool's chances, since he's still clearly the biggest Nintendo-owned character not in Smash (Donkey Kong's 50 million or so sales > any other Nintendo series with less than 3 playable characters with a viable character left), as well as the most popular, sought after, and liked potential newcomer choice. And back to DKC: Tropic Freeze, it can still have an impact without having a stage, like so many games did with Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

I think that helps Dixie's chances (if Sakurai was aware of this), but I don't think it lowers K. Rool's chances. He's now the most likely newcomer IMO with Mega Man confirmed, and with my #1 most wanted newcomer confirmed in Mega Man, I got more time to focus on him!

Never said it lowered K. Rool's chances.
Just that it shoots up Dixie's by a wide margin, making her the most likely DK Newcomer at this point at least that's if K. Rool doesn't have some sort of appearance in Tropical Freeze.

Meaning, if there is only one, my money's on Dixie firsthand, especially with the whole Forbidden 7 thing.

Toad got in the new Mario game before Dr.Mario and Waluigi. Shut up please.

Kindly go **** yourself.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Diddy and everyone talking Impa talk
Impa = no relationship to this thread or K. Rool, unless you can prove it. Like how I connected Mega Man, Mewtwo, Ridley, and K. Rool because they are the 4 3 most wanted characters, aside from the characters playable in Brawl, and that they are the only 4 3 characters in that top tier of extremely wanted "new" characters, much like where Diddy, Dedede, and Lucario were (although Sonic was above that tier; way above it, easily).

Never said it lowered K. Rool's chances.
Just that it shoots up Dixie's by a wide margin, making her the most likely DK Newcomer at this point at least that's if K. Rool doesn't have some sort of appearance in Tropical Freeze.

Dixie's chances were already fairly high in my mind. Also, until we see something that informs us that Sakurai knew of this game early in development or is planning on adding content from it in smash or is inspired by that game to add a character, it seems to not mean much. However, it definitely bodes well for Dixie Kong going forward.

Meaning, if there is only one, my money's on Dixie firsthand, especially with the whole Forbidden 7 thing.

I think the confirmation of Dixie Kong in Tropic Freeze means that when either gets confirmed, a ton of DKC fans and Smash fans will hype the other up, especially if Dixie Kong is confirmed.

 

[Deleted member]

I have no doubt that's going to happen.
Though I'm hoping that the reveal isn't too late like Diddy's was in Brawl.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Also, I'd like to say that DKC: Tropic Freeze could have an impact on smash, as it comes out in 5 months, which is about a year before Smash Wii U and/or 3DS will likely come out. The Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 comparison is a bad one, because Galaxy and Prime 3 came out well after Brawl. However, again, it doesn't negatively effect K. Rool's chances, since he's still clearly the biggest Nintendo-owned character not in Smash (Donkey Kong's 50 million or so sales > any other Nintendo series with less than 3 playable characters with a viable character left), as well as the most popular, sought after, and liked potential newcomer choice. And back to DKC: Tropic Freeze, it can still have an impact without having a stage, like so many games did with Brawl.

Metroid Prime 3 came out way before Brawl in US and Europe, where as it launched a month after Brawl in Japan which I had admittedly forgotten.

Super Mario Galaxy came out in 2007 everywhere in the world though, comparing that to the current Tropical Freeze situation is extremely valid.

 

[Johnknight1]

Metroid Prime 3 is a legit comparison though, although that's a 5 month difference between the release date and the Brawl release date.

However, DKC: Tropic Freeze comes out in November of this year, whereas Smash Wii U and 3DS will probably both be out at the earliest in 10 months, and possibly later (yes, I expect delays).

As for Super Mario Galaxy, it came out a solid 10 months after Brawl.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

As for Super Mario Galaxy, it came out a solid 10 months after Brawl.

Mario Galaxy came out November 2007, Brawl came out early 2008.


JP November 1, 2007
NA November 12, 2007
EU November 16, 2007
AU November 29, 2007

That's a 4 months difference between the Japanese releases.

 

[Ultinarok]

Meta Knight.

Well, on the bright side, there's now actual discussion to be had in here regarding Tropical Freeze.

Yeah but Meta got it in as well. Kirby had only one rep pre-brawl. There was plenty of reason to believe that both could make it in. Not so much for DKC with DK and Diddy already in. Two additions is a stretch, so its more of a competition.

 

[Johnknight1]

Mario Galaxy came out November 2007, Brawl came out early 2008.

That's a 4 months difference between the Japanese releases.

I swear, something is off with me and release dates today! It must be that Wii Fit Trainer girl crap again.

What am I thinking of, Animal Crossing: City Folk=???

 

[Diddy Kong]

Depending on how soon we see Diddy's reveal, I still don't think it's out of the possibility we get 4 DKC characters in total. And yes, I think we'll get a Dixie Kong reveal before King K.Rool. Cause Dixie at this point is much more expected. And then again, I see no need to be dissapointed at all we didn't get a K.Rool reveal at the first minute. Cause I always thought they'd show him much later anyway.

Anyways, am sure we're not seeing K.Rool in DKCR2, but that doesn't worry me much, cause they got a new cast of enemies anyway which is GOOD, cause that means DK Island isn't forever swarmed with Tikis, and that they aren't the main enemies for the DKCR triology (face it, it's GONNA be a triology). Plus, it gives me all the better hopes they will use the Kremlings for the final game in the Returns installments.

The Vikings are awesome. And they alone proof King K.Rool is still the top notch baddest villain in the DKC series.

@ GoldenY: Toad is still leagues above Waluigi and Dr.Mario. And the new game he's playable in proves that. Classic 4 biotch! And please, kindly, get ****ed in the ass yourself.

 

[BKupa666]

Depending on how soon we see Diddy's reveal, I still don't think it's out of the possibility we get 4 DKC characters in total. And yes, I think we'll get a Dixie Kong reveal before King K.Rool. Cause Dixie at this point is much more expected. And then again, I see no need to be dissapointed at all we didn't get a K.Rool reveal at the first minute. Cause I always thought they'd show him much later anyway.

It's been just one day and we've already established this? I highly doubt we'll be seeing three Kongs on the starting roster/early on.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's been just one day and we've already established this? I highly doubt we'll be seeing three Kongs on the starting roster/early on.

No same thing here. But I do expect the likes of Diddy, MetaKnight, Peach, Zelda, Marth and all other veterans to be revealed quite early this time. That leaves all the more room for Dixie's reveal. Others who could show up similary are: Toad, Impa, Bandana Dee and Chrom. Granted if these make the roster the first place.

Am expecting K.Rool to get a very late reveal.

 

[volbound1700]

Mario Galaxy came out November 2007, Brawl came out early 2008.


JP November 1, 2007
NA November 12, 2007
EU November 16, 2007
AU November 29, 2007

That's a 4 months difference between the Japanese releases.

Yeah I owned Galaxy and played it while waiting for Brawl. SMG is one of the top Mario games all-time in my book. SMG2 didn't live up to the hype to me.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

So aside from Dixie, the DKCR 3DS port has water levels and stuff too huh? Guess I'll officially be getting that then.

And I don't really want to be much of a worry wart for K. Rool, Ridley, or anyone right now, odd as it is that they showed things like Wii-fit trainer before them.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yeah I owned Galaxy and played it while waiting for Brawl. SMG is one of the top Mario games all-time in my book. SMG2 didn't live up to the hype to me.

Same, SMG1 is definitely my favorite 3D Mario game.