K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[JaidynReiman]

All of whom are, ironically, villains. Well, Mewtwo is arguable, but the original Mewtwo was based on the villainous Mewtwo from that one movie, so yeah, I do think Mewtwo would count as a villain in Smash Bros. again.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

All of whom are, ironically, villains. Well, Mewtwo is arguable, but the original Mewtwo was based on the villainous Mewtwo from that one movie, so yeah, I do think Mewtwo would count as a villain in Smash Bros. again.

Actually now that you mention it, K Rool and Ridley are both reptilian, large (well, you might say TOO BIG), villainous pirates (of different kinds). Maybe they aren't as different as I thought.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Actually now that you mention it, K Rool and Ridley are both reptilian, large (well, you might say TOO BIG), villainous pirates (of different kinds). Maybe they aren't as different as I thought.

K. Rool isn't nearly as big except in DK64. In the original DKC he's double DK's size, but in most he's barely taller than DK.

 

[Deleted member]

There is one slight problem in K. Rool's size, which is that DK is already huge. He's bigger than Bowser, or at least as big, in Smash 4. If K. Rool's going to have his correct girth, he's going to have to be pretty huge, especially when he stands and DK slumps over. I dunno, probably won't actually be a problem, but it's weird how Sakurai has expanded DK.

 

[Johnknight1]

Quite frankly I believe K Rool, as well as the other two members of the Hype 3, NEED to be included in this game. There is really no reason not to include all three of them. Especially seeing as we may be getting the likes of Chorus Men. The roster simply wont be complete without the Hype 3 being included.

The Chorus Men show off the best parts of the Rhythm Heaven franchise, a moderately big franchise. Literally the most minute newcomer thus far is either Rosalina (a prime supporting character in the biggest franchise in gaming) and Greninja (a very popular new addition to the 2nd biggest franchise in gaming and kinda the face of Gen VI).

Actually no, I take that back. Palutena is the most "minor" newcomer confirmed thus far, and her name is in her series' title in Japan.

Mewtwo. Technically Mewtwo is a veteran, but honestly, I could see Mewtwo getting cut in favor of Jigglypuff.

Eh, Mewtwo as the "Hype 3" is weird, because honestly, I prefer separating newcomers and veterans.

Also, I would put Snake's popularity in smash above Ridley and K. Rool, as well as many unconfirmed veterans, specifically Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness, and Wario.

 

[BKupa666]

There is one slight problem in K. Rool's size, which is that DK is already huge. He's bigger than Bowser, or at least as big, in Smash 4. If K. Rool's going to have his correct girth, he's going to have to be pretty huge, especially when he stands and DK slumps over. I dunno, probably won't actually be a problem, but it's weird how Sakurai has expanded DK.

Since Bowser stands kind of sideways, keeping his giant shell in the background, while DK keeps his entire body on the stage, DK having the larger hurtbox between the two makes sense. K. Rool's height, giant belly and tail would probably earn him the distinction of being the largest character in the game, at least so long as he's not in alongside an even bigger Ridley.

 

[Louie G.]

There's no NEED to include anyone.

K. Rool SHOULD be included in this game.

But the final decision is Sakurai's.
And if K. Rool doesn't make it, it ain't the Chorus Kids' fault.

 

[JaidynReiman]

The Chorus Men show off the best parts of the Rhythm Heaven franchise, a moderately big franchise. Literally the most minute newcomer thus far is either Rosalina (a prime supporting character in the biggest franchise in gaming) and Greninja (a very popular new addition to the 2nd biggest franchise in gaming and kinda the face of Gen VI).

Actually no, I take that back. Palutena is the most "minor" newcomer confirmed thus far, and her name is in her series' title in Japan.

Eh, Mewtwo as the "Hype 3" is weird, because honestly, I prefer separating newcomers and veterans.

Also, I would put Snake's popularity in smash above Ridley and K. Rool, as well as many unconfirmed veterans, specifically Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness, and Wario.

Lol I messed up, I meant "I could see Mewtwo getting in over Jigglypuff."

I agree, I don't count Mewtwo as part of the "hype 3," but other people do.

 

[Deleted member]

Since Bowser stands kind of sideways, keeping his giant shell in the background, while DK keeps his entire body on the stage, DK having the larger hurtbox between the two makes sense. K. Rool's height, giant belly and tail would probably earn him the distinction of being the largest character in the game, at least so long as he's not in alongside an even bigger Ridley.

Good point about the shell and background. There are plenty of ways to work around it, it's a matter of perspective, I'd be very interested to see what Sakurai does here. After he chose the absolutely perfect representation of Pac-Man, I'm hopeful that he picks that one K. Rool render from that figurine posted in this thread. I think that's very possible at this point. If there's one thing Sakurai knows about, it's aesthetics.

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

Count another on the K.Rool train

Hmm, ya I agree its possible that Chunky was a trophy that slipped through the coding cracks, Sakurai himself was worried about demo stability, and that's why it was on dev kits, and demo kiosks, its quite possible they were using the alpha build from a month ago with a special locked interface

Though, here is another tangent to think about, wasn't it Chunky who delivered the final blow to K.Rool in DK64? perhaps there is a tangent in that angle, well that and having him cause it to rain banana's would be sick

 

[DeathFox137]

If King K Rool shows up in a boxing outfit, I think it would be a perfect challenge for Little Mac.

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

If King K Rool shows up in a boxing outfit, I think it would be a perfect challenge for Little Mac.

Ya, would have been cool if he had been in Punch Out wii alongside DK, that would have been cool

 

[TCRhade]

King K. Rool NEEDS to be in. I see no other reason to bring KRITTERS of all enemies in Smash Run...

 

[GrapeEscape]

Count me in as a King K. Rool supporter. I used to always be against the idea of King K. Rool being in Super Smash Bros., he just looked so out of place next to other characters. I think it was because of his bright colors and the general lack of any detail on his body besides a crown and cape. But, if Sakurai refines the original model (mostly adding more detail to his skin, cape, and crown) and portrays King K. Rool in a more Bowser-like manner (design-wise, I mean) then he would be a perfect fit among the current Donkey Kong characters and in the roster in general.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

King K. Rool NEEDS to be in. I see no other reason to bring KRITTERS of all enemies in Smash Run...

Kritters are in Smash Run? I'd heard about the Kremlings but not that, can somebody link me a source? Of course I'm probably going to be inclined to believe it anyway because I'm gullible like that.

 

[TCRhade]

Kritters are in Smash Run? I'd heard about the Kremlings but not that, can somebody link me a source? Of course I'm probably going to be inclined to believe it anyway because I'm gullible like that.

In the Smash Bros. Direct.

 

[SethTheMage]

I'm still hopeful about the Chunky Kong AT. I was gleaning through several blurry Smash Fest videos today, and I came across one where someone sent out a Tepig on the 3DS version. I couldn't see Tepig on account of the extremely blurry screen, but I did distinctly hear it shout its name. Since I have seen no one mention or document Tepig yet and I have not seen it in any other footage of the game, I'm pretty sure Chunky could have slipped by without video footage.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

So apparently kritters are different from what I thought they were... I thought Kremlings in general were the crocodiles but the kritters are the crocodiles and the kremlings are the group?
I really need to do more research before my big mouth blurts out nonsense in the future. And here I thought I was a DKC fan.

 

[TCRhade]

So apparently kritters are different from what I thought they were... I thought Kremlings in general were the crocodiles but the kritters are the crocodiles and the kremlings are the group?
I really need to do more research before my big mouth blurts out nonsense in the future. And here I thought I was a DKC fan.

LOL, no worries, we don't judge here. Yea, Kritters are K. Rool's basic foot soldiers, and the Kremlings are the group, including Rool.

 

[Malkior7]

I would totally be cool the K.Rool in SSBU/3DS but I hope he has his (literally) hand cannon from DK Country

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

Now if Clump or one his commanders or high level minions showed up in Smash run, then it would be extremely likely that he's in-game, kremlings are a possibility but they showed up in both strikers game, with K.rool, although its still been a while

 

[TitanTeaTime]

LOL, no worries, we don't judge here. Yea, Kritters are K. Rool's basic foot soldiers, and the Kremlings are the group, including Rool.

Found the source of my confusion, I thought kritters were these guys:

But nope, those are klaptraps :s

 

[Snagrio]

Since Bowser stands kind of sideways, keeping his giant shell in the background, while DK keeps his entire body on the stage, DK having the larger hurtbox between the two makes sense. K. Rool's height, giant belly and tail would probably earn him the distinction of being the largest character in the game, at least so long as he's not in alongside an even bigger Ridley.

I've always envisioned Ridley and K. Rool being the biggest together, but in different perspectives. Ridley would be the largest in overall size but not be as weighty as say Bowser or DK, and K. Rool would take honor of being the heaviest of the roster.

 

[mini paincakes]

Count me in as a King K. Rool supporter. I used to always be against the idea of King K. Rool being in Super Smash Bros., he just looked so out of place next to other characters. I think it was because of his bright colors and the general lack of any detail on his body besides a crown and cape. But, if Sakurai refines the original model (mostly adding more detail to his skin, cape, and crown) and portrays King K. Rool in a more Bowser-like manner (design-wise, I mean) then he would be a perfect fit among the current Donkey Kong characters and in the roster in general.

As long as "bowser-like" doesn't mean having godzilla grunts instead of normal dialogue. I'd rather have K. Rool say witty/funny things as he's fighting.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if he only makes aligator noises. Especially after seeing what Sakurai did to DK and Diddy.

 

[JaidynReiman]

There's no NEED to include anyone.

K. Rool SHOULD be included in this game.

But the final decision is Sakurai's.
And if K. Rool doesn't make it, it ain't the Chorus Kids' fault.

There is a valid argument in favor of a new DK rep, though, that far outweighs the argument about Rhythm Heaven being a fairly new franchise with decent sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/47661/rhythm-heaven/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/45674/donkey-kong-country-returns/


6m copies sold worldwide of DKCR.

6 MILLION. So, yeah, that's two years older than Rhythm Heaven.


http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73169/donkey-kong-country-tropical-freeze/

Six months. 570k in six months, compared to 870k for Rhythm Heaven Fever in 2 years. And on a console with a far, far weaker install base.



Now, I'm not arguing against Rhythm Heaven or anything. But also compare it to Kid Icarus: Uprising and Fire Emblem: Awakening.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70704/fire-emblem-awakening/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/45683/kid-icarus-uprising/


With these sales numbers and DK's long history, DK should honestly have two new reps in this game.


Yes, its VGChartz, the sale numbers will always be a bit off. But comparing the sales, its clear who the winner is here.


K. Rool himself may not NEED to be in the game, but compared to other franchises expected to get additional playable reps, DK NEEDS at least a third rep, if not a fourth, just based on the sales alone.

Now, I'm not knocking on a new franchise rep getting represented. New franchises are always great, the bigger annoyance is the idea that Fire Emblem gets a third rep over DK, when the DK franchise sells far more (as much as I LOVE Fire Emblem, too). And compared to Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem's "revival" (technically FE was never dead, it just got lackluster sales) DK's revival was far bigger, and Tropical Freeze is selling quite well, too, especially for a Wii U game.

 

[Louie G.]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want K. Rool in this game.

But Rhythm Heaven deserves representation too.
And neither of them are in direct competition with each other.

Plus, Mother has two characters. Your move.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want K. Rool in this game.

But Rhythm Heaven deserves representation too.
And neither of them are in direct competition with each other.

Plus, Mother has two characters. Your move.

Mother is likely to lose one character, as well.

My main complaint wasn't directed at Rhythm Heaven. I'm fine with new franchise reps. (I really wanted Golden Sun and Advance Wars, though I still think at least one of them can get a rep.)

I was just comparing the sales of everything and indicating that DK is more than big enough, and his revival was extremely huge, far bigger than that of other franchises that he really does deserve 1-2 new playable reps (although as I have remarked before, once DK does hit four reps; obviously K. Rool and Dixie are the only other realistic contenders), that basically does cover the DK main cast and we really wouldn't need any more DK characters after that.

 

[shrooby]

Plus, Mother has two characters. Your move.

It sure is a good thing that Lucas or Ness, probably Lucas, are getting cut then.
Leak jokes are hilarious

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want K. Rool in this game.

But Rhythm Heaven deserves representation too.
And neither of them are in direct competition with each other.

Plus, Mother has two characters. Your move.

Star Fox has 3 reps and five games, Kirby has 21+ and 3 reps, mother's the exception, and considered a cult classic, however we don't even know if they have a single rep in this game as of now

Fact is Sakurai adds characters as he chooses, however we have seen in the past that when time runs low a clone may be added in place of a completely new character, Ganondorf is a classic example

Also as Jaidyn Reiman points out, none of us want DK reps to nessecarily push out other franchises, in fact I have high hopes for reps from Golden Sun and Advance Wars myself, the latter being part of a franchise that dates back the NES

But as also pointed out DK is a classic Nintendo franchise long overdue for additional representation, and if he got 2 new characters K.Rool is a shoe-in, and highly possible if DK only gets a third due to the high need of new villians

There is also the fact that we haven't got a single new villain on the roster as of now leak or otherwise, which is highly suspect, and means we are at least getting 1 announced before release, and another may be hidden, and the 2 most highly requested ones are Ridley and K.Rool

 

[Louie G.]

You guys act like you're trying to convince me about something.

K. ROOL IS MY MOST WANTED NEWCOMER.

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

You guys act like you're trying to convince me about something.

K. ROOL IS MY MOST WANTED NEWCOMER.

You goaded us on XD, but ya never hurts to cover your bases

 

[a Link to the Forums]

King K. Rool NEEDS to be in. I see no other reason to bring KRITTERS of all enemies in Smash Run...

I see it less as hinting to K Rool's reveal and more as it's there because it's a classic DK enemy. Don't get me wrong, I think it boosts K Rool's chances but not too much.

 

[Johnknight1]

Can we leave sales out of it=??? I know I'm guilty of using it A LOT before, but honestly, it's just a terribly faulty point.

We play Smash for the gameplay, not for the sales. Gameplay matters most. K. Rool would have amazing gameplay.

Lol I messed up, I meant "I could see Mewtwo getting in over Jigglypuff."

I agree, I don't count Mewtwo as part of the "hype 3," but other people do.

Well they're both in, so I don't see why it's worth mentioning.

I prefer just "the Big 2" of K. Rool and Ridley. Maybe Chrom and Shulk are a part of it and its' "the Big 4".

Maybe Chorus Men is the 5th Beatle.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Right now the possibility of Chunky Kong AT is the only thing that makes me believe K. Rool is in. I mean, they could have used a character from de Retro DK games, Donkey Konga, Jungle Beat. Kongs like Cranky or grown up Tiny.
But nope, a character from DK64, the last DK game from Rareware and the last big game to have K. Rool as a final boss. Even the Kremlings in Smash Run is a lesser hint to K. Rool compared to this, since they are using the model from Super Mario Sluggers on those.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Can we leave sales out of it=??? I know I'm guilty of using it A LOT before, but honestly, it's just a terribly faulty point.

We play Smash for the gameplay, not for the sales. Gameplay matters most. K. Rool would have amazing gameplay.

Well they're both in, so I don't see why it's worth mentioning.

I prefer just "the Big 2" of K. Rool and Ridley. Maybe Chrom and Shulk are a part of it and its' "the Big 4".

Maybe Chorus Men is the 5th Beatle.

Sales and Gameplay combined help a new DK rep's chances tenfold. Both K. Rool and Dixie Kong would be great additions! :D

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

I would also say that Sakurai has a soft spot for K.Rool, as we know, that definitely works to his advantage(like Meta-Knight and Wolf, both favs of his, and both likely to return). I mean look at his trophy descriptions, you know this to be true , although he did have to wait for the right moment

 

[Johnknight1]

Sales and Gameplay combined help a new DK rep's chances tenfold. Both K. Rool and Dixie Kong would be great additions! :D

I mean sure the games sell like crazy, but I think the staying power is ultimately the biggest deal.

Star Fox outside of the 1st two titles sold like crap, but the staying power of those titles was incredible.

If a game doesn't have playable character candidates, that goes to waste. Star Fox has a ton, which is why 3 have been playable thus far. Donkey Kong does as well, which is why both of Brawl's DK characters are back, and why so many people support K. Rool as an individual character.

As for why not to discuss numbers, watch the 2nd hour of the Sony press conference where their North American CEO or whatever guy discussed that. It's so boring and it doesn't "prove" anything.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

So any wild Chunky Kong sightings lately?

 

[KingZing]

So any wild Chunky Kong sightings lately?

No, not yet.

 

[Snagrio]

I'm not quite sure why we're all hinging on Chunky for K. Rool. I get that he'd be a boost for our king, but haven't the Kremlings in Smash Run done that already?