K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Diddy Kong]

Why would we even be upset? I think it's good news they haven't shown much DKC content yet, cause that means all the more room for future updates! And with the new official site up and all, we might get bigger and better daily updates. There's quite a lot of series who haven't had much love shown yet, namely: DKC, StarFox, Mother / EarthBound (as it looks like we might not get Mother 3 content cause of the possibility of no Lucas ) , F-Zero, Wario and surprisingly; Kirby.

K.Rool is still THE most popular requested character, from easily the most popular and well-known franchise out of all I listed just now. This just bodes really well for the King, and even though that damn leak is looking to be true, the fact it also lists DLC is also very good news for K.Rool!

I see no need to be let down about anything yet. And this is coming from someone who absolutely LOATHED the idea of Mii and Pac Man.

 

[GOofyGV]

Why would we even be upset? I think it's good news they haven't shown much DKC content yet, cause that means all the more room for future updates! And with the new official site up and all, we might get bigger and better daily updates. There's quite a lot of series who haven't had much love shown yet, namely: DKC, StarFox, Mother / EarthBound (as it looks like we might not get Mother 3 content cause of the possibility of no Lucas ) , F-Zero, Wario and surprisingly; Kirby.

K.Rool is still THE most popular requested character, from easily the most popular and well-known franchise out of all I listed just now. This just bodes really well for the King, and even though that damn leak is looking to be true, the fact it also lists DLC is also very good news for K.Rool!

I see no need to be let down about anything yet. And this is coming from someone who absolutely LOATHED the idea of Mii and Pac Man.

note that the leak probably did not gave us all the newcomers, I wouldn't really go to far into that anyway.
It just doesn't feel good to base the possibility for K.Rool on that SR leak.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The leaks so far seem to have been mostly about the E3 reveals, which is why it lacked characters as Rosalina, Palutena and Little Mac. Could very well be that K.Rool will randomly be revealed whenever a DKC stage will show up.

I will just wait for a DKC stage at least. Am not shaken in the slightest in my faith in the King.

 

[bellboy64]

I'm more hyped for Hyrule Warriors right now that Smash Bros. At least there I'll be able to play as all my favorite Zelda characters. If Ganondorf gets a total rework, I can accept the current roster even with no new additions (although I highly doubt the leak is all we got). If he doesn't but we get **** like Mii's, I'm going to scream.

For me, I'm pretty psyched for Xenoblade Chronicles X. That treehouse demo was incredible. I can't believe how often I was close to tears.

 

[yani]

I'm really really praying we get a DK newcomer man :[

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm really really praying we get a DK newcomer man :[

Quite confident in one. Even if K.Rool or Dixie won't show up, it's really hard not to picture Dixie as a DLC character. K.Rool could become one to. But I feel that semi-clone DLC characters are quite likely to happen, cause likely we'll get Lucas and Roy if we're getting DLC, and am sure they are at least partly gonna be based on Ness / Marth.

 

[MasterWarlord]

I forgot Sal Romano listed DLC. I suppose that's something, though as Diddy said over there it would probably be Dixie if K. Rool had to get in that way due to her being a budget character. Something flashy like K. Rool is something you'd more expect to be built into the core roster.

That said, we are largely waiting for the DK stage. Kind of ironic we're tied to Ridley even in that vein. At this point, if we get a generic DKCR Tiki stage, we're probably done. While there certainly can be 2 DK stages, I'm fairly sure a Rare era DKC stage is a requirement for K. Rool's inclusion.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I forgot Sal Romano listed DLC. I suppose that's something, though as Diddy said over there it would probably be Dixie if K. Rool had to get in that way due to her being a budget character. Something flashy like K. Rool is something you'd more expect to be built into the core roster.

That said, we are largely waiting for the DK stage. Kind of ironic we're tied to Ridley even in that vein. At this point, if we get a generic DKCR Tiki stage, we're probably done. While there certainly can be 2 DK stages, I'm fairly sure a Rare era DKC stage is a requirement for K. Rool's inclusion.

A requirement? I don't see why it'd be a requirement by any means. If a Rare era DKC stage gets in, I'd say K. Rool is pretty much a shoe-in, but even if one doesn't get in that doesn't disconfirm K. Rool by any means. The Kremlings appearing are enough evidence for that.

 

[MasterWarlord]

A requirement? I don't see why it'd be a requirement by any means. If a Rare era DKC stage gets in, I'd say K. Rool is pretty much a shoe-in, but even if one doesn't get in that doesn't disconfirm K. Rool by any means. The Kremlings appearing are enough evidence for that.

Okay, I agree, "requirement" was far too strong of a word. I just largely expect Gangplank Galleon to go hand in hand with K. Rool the same way everybody expects the same handful of Specials.

The fans all expected Pac Man to use his bitter life long enemies, the ghosts, in his moveset. As stupid as that was, they were in there anyway. I have some small justification to believe K. Rool's will also be followed.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Crossposted from FB:

"Don't get me wrong: I haatteee Sakurai's judgement in terms of who is/isn't playable by character. However, this time around, I trust his judgement in setmaking. He goes out of his way to showcase how many wacky fun movesets he can make on characters like WFT and could make a playable toaster oven seem hype. And I expect an MK revamp now that he's aware of the competitive scene and thats why he hasnt been shown.

Im just angry because K. Rool would fit in -so well- with this game. Sakurai making Pac his World 2 design and not the horrible GA design shows that he cares about the "better" material as compared to more recent material. And his set is dripping with references and nostalgia. That would work so well with Rool."

 

[KingZing]

Who cares about Pac-Man nowadays anyway? Recently, he's only been in lame games and imo he should have stayed as a "retro character" like Mr Game & Watch. Just imagine if we saw MG&W in a crappy new 3D design and in ****y games like Pac-Man ones... The only reason they included him is that Namco is collaborating, I don't really think Sakurai would have added him if they weren't.

This Smash is becoming more and more disappointing... Only big characters like K Rool or Ridley can save it!

 

[JaidynReiman]

Who cares about Pac-Man nowadays anyway? Recently, he's only been in lame games and imo he should have stayed as a "retro character" like Mr Game & Watch. Just imagine if we saw MG&W in a crappy new 3D design and in ****y games like Pac-Man ones... The only reason they included him is that Namco is collaborating, I don't really think Sakurai would have added him if they weren't.

This Smash is becoming more and more disappointing... Only big characters like K Rool or Ridley can save it!

Not many really care about Pac-Man... but frankly, Sakurai did do a good job of him. They didn't use his ****ty modern Ghostly Adventures games but went with his classic design. It also shows that Sakurai is willing to appeal to the classics as well, so... I dunno...

I still think the Kremlings are the biggest hint towards a K. Rool appearance. If they announce a new Newcomer not on the leak, I'll renew my hope for K. Rool and Isaac. My hope for Robin over Chrom/Lucina is pretty much dead at this point.

 

[MasterWarlord]

Sakurai didn't use the Ghostly Adventures design, that much is true. On the other hand, he gives Pac Man the ability to summon random Namco props as well as his enemies. That is not a "good handling" of Pac Man.

K. Rool, by this logic if he was "handled like Pac Man", would summon his enemies Dixie, Lanky, Cranky, and Funky, while summoning random Rare props from Banjo/Conker/etc. He would at least use his good design, but that's about it.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Sakurai didn't use the Ghostly Adventures design, that much is true. On the other hand, he give Pac Man the ability to summon random Namco props as well as his enemies. That is not a "good handling" of Pac Man.

K. Rool, by this logic if he was "handled like Pac Man", would summon his enemies Dixie, Lanky, Cranky, and Funky, while summoning random Rare props from Banjo/Conker/etc. He would at least use his good design, but that's about it.

That would be terrible handling for sure, let's hope that does'nt happen if he's in by a miracle chance.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Damn, those blue Kritters are BADASS. *watching Smash Run footage*

I'm glad all of the different colored Kritters are actually different, that's cool.

 

[The King of Skulls]

I have faith in King K. Rool's inclusion. Nothing's in his way, at least, so that's pretty good for everyone's favorite crocodile.

 

[Pacack]

Sakurai didn't use the Ghostly Adventures design, that much is true. On the other hand, he gives Pac Man the ability to summon random Namco props as well as his enemies. That is not a "good handling" of Pac Man.

K. Rool, by this logic if he was "handled like Pac Man", would summon his enemies Dixie, Lanky, Cranky, and Funky, while summoning random Rare props from Banjo/Conker/etc. He would at least use his good design, but that's about it.

It's an entirely different scenario.

Pac-Man has always been heavily linked with other Namco games because he is the company mascot. This is seen as early on as 1983 with Pac and Pal:

See the Galaga ships? Those are powerups that you use to stun the ghosts. They are the first of many little references in the game.

This has become something of a tradition in Pac-Man games. The Pac-Man World series of games (which are some of his best, btw) have Galaxians as collectibles that take you to a maze for bonus points. Pac-Man games often have characters from others games appear in some form (Pooka, for example, is a friend that you have to rescue in the original Pac-Man World, and is an enemy in Pac-Man World 2). Then there's stuff like Pac-Man and Galaga Dimensions, which is obvious, and stuff like Pac-Man World Rally which includes Prince, Pooka, and Fygar as playable characters.

Basically, my point is that it's perfectly in character for him to use those items in his moveset. It's been going on for a long time and is not just something Smash did. Namco treats Pac-Man like the all-encompassing company mascot and probably liked this direction with Pac-Man because it represents Namco itself instead of just one part of Namco, which is something they've done with him for years.

I would type more, but I honestly don't care enough to. I just wanted to correct you on that. This iteration of Pac-Man is actually the most faithful to his character that I've seen in a long time. *coughstreetfighterxtekkencough*

 

[JaidynReiman]

I have faith in King K. Rool's inclusion. Nothing's in his way, at least, so that's pretty good for everyone's favorite crocodile.

So am I (as well as Ridley, not that Ridley is one of my top picks or anything). Its other characters like Isaac and an Advance Wars rep I'm a bit nervous about.

 

[The King of Skulls]

So am I (as well as Ridley, not that Ridley is one of my top picks or anything). Its other characters like Isaac and an Advance Wars rep I'm a bit nervous about.

I really wish I knew more about Isaac, but alas. Has he been spotted as an assist trophy yet? If not, he's still Golden! (see, it's funny I made a bad pun.)

But yeah, if King K. Rool is announced, more characters for me to secondary!

 

[JaidynReiman]

I really wish I knew more about Isaac, but alas. Has he been spotted as an assist trophy yet? If not, he's still Golden! (see, it's funny I made a bad pun.)

But yeah, if King K. Rool is announced, more characters for me to secondary!

Isaac hasn't been shown yet, no. We've seen SEVERAL new AT's and a few old ones, but Isaac wasn't one of them. Magnus, Tingle, and Shadow have been seen. Its notable because Shadow was originally an unlockable AT which Isaac also was.


K. Rool should still perform a Kredits scenario. Who knows? Maybe Nintendo was aware of the leak and plugged it (they have a plumber, after all) so the rest of the roster wouldn't get leaked. They may be saving the others for release. So I'm kinda hopeful. I just want at least confirmation of Ganondorf getting a new moveset, or confirmation of at least one more character not leaked to bring my hype back up again.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Isaac hasn't been shown yet, no. We've seen SEVERAL new AT's and a few old ones, but Isaac wasn't one of them. Magnus, Tingle, and Shadow have been seen. Its notable because Shadow was originally an unlockable AT which Isaac also was.


K. Rool should still perform a Kredits scenario. Who knows? Maybe Nintendo was aware of the leak and plugged it (they have a plumber, after all) so the rest of the roster wouldn't get leaked. They may be saving the others for release. So I'm kinda hopeful. I just want at least confirmation of Ganondorf getting a new moveset, or confirmation of at least one more character not leaked to bring my hype back up again.

What fi the leak was made by Nintendo just to see the Smash base dance? They pull the strings, after all... The kremling king needs to be in Smash4! I remember the GBA remake of DKC, and I always thought it was funny that after the credits, he kicked everyone off his ship and called them a bunch of freeloaders.

 

[Deleted member]

I am very sad we didn't get K. Rool at E3. I'm not counting him out entirely, though, and it's not like we've been wrong to support the character in any way, this E3 was simply the most obvious for newcomers.The ways Mii and Pac-Man were handled wasn't as predictable, but nonetheless, K. Rool had stiff competition against those two and Sakurai's game's character.

I'm worried this Smash Bros in general is going to end up having a very boring newcomer roster if all we're getting now are two more swordsmen and another "shock character" in Choir Boy. I realize these are broad generalizations... but is the heaviest newcomer really going to be Rosalina or Palutena? Plus, no newcomer for DK after the revival is a bit of an outage in my opinion, but I've not given up all my hope. The 3DS game did get a delay and we've got some months of Dojo left, and there's always DLC. Although that only prolongs the painful wait for characters who aren't confirmed on release.

Fingers crossed.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

In the meantime, I'll just be sailing the seas waiting for our King.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I am very sad we didn't get K. Rool at E3. I'm not counting him out entirely, though, and it's not like we've been wrong to support the character in any way, this E3 was simply the most obvious for newcomers.The ways Mii and Pac-Man were handled wasn't as predictable, but nonetheless, K. Rool had stiff competition against those two and Sakurai's game's character.

I'm worried this Smash Bros in general is going to end up having a very boring newcomer roster if all we're getting now are two more swordsmen and another "shock character" in Choir Boy. I realize these are broad generalizations... but is the heaviest newcomer really going to be Rosalina or Palutena? Plus, no newcomer for DK after the revival is a bit of an outage in my opinion, but I've not given up all my hope. The 3DS game did get a delay and we've got some months of Dojo left, and there's always DLC. Although that only prolongs the painful wait for characters who aren't confirmed on release.

Fingers crossed.

I agree. Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem's revivals weren't NEARLY as big as DK's, I just can't understand DK only sticking with two reps.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Still hoping for a Gangplank Galleon stage or even Flying Kroc, that'll make me feel a little better.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Still hoping for a Gangplank Galleon stage or even Flying Kroc, that'll make me feel a little better.

I find it REALLY weird we don't have a DK stage yet.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I find it REALLY weird we don't have a DK stage yet.

Same here, you'd think we would've already gotten one by now.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree. Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem's revivals weren't NEARLY as big as DK's, I just can't understand DK only sticking with two reps.

It doesn't make any sense. Sales-wise, DK is ten times as popular as Kid Icarus, and a good few times Metroid.

However, we have a few glimmers of hope. DK and Diddy are both revealed. Nintendo have yet to reveal a new DK stage. Kremlings are in (alongside Tikis, but I'll take it). E3 was clearly not the arena for a K. Rool reveal, if it wasn't the place for Ridley. There's a good chance neither are in, and this roster has jumped through all the hoops required to pass over every villain and additional rep to a franchise not called Mario or Pokemon (or Kid Icarus apparently, the biggest series of all!), but it's not quite a done deal.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Sakurai didn't use the Ghostly Adventures design, that much is true. On the other hand, he gives Pac Man the ability to summon random Namco props as well as his enemies. That is not a "good handling" of Pac Man.

K. Rool, by this logic if he was "handled like Pac Man", would summon his enemies Dixie, Lanky, Cranky, and Funky, while summoning random Rare props from Banjo/Conker/etc. He would at least use his good design, but that's about it.

Pac-Man having these things makes sense as an all-encompassing Namco character, which is very obviously the approach they're taking. If you're equating this to "K. Rool throwing out Kong summons", then you're clearly misinterpreting this. References and nostalgia for Pac-Man are completely different than references and nostalgia on K. Rool.

References and nostalgia on K. Rool is him using his good design and having him bring out old tools that makes sense on the character - we'd much rather see him using his propeller pack over, say, the rocket barrel as a recovery. I'm not at all worried about how they'll handle Rool, I'm just more anxious about whether he actually makes it in. And if he doesn't, hoping he doesn't get an AT or boss so he can become DLC.

On a note I haven't seen really brought up yet - the idea of move customization on Rool excites me. What if you could customize his blunderbuss to shoot out clouds instead? (since randomized projectiles like the Dees seem to be out).

 

[JaidynReiman]

On a note I haven't seen really brought up yet - the idea of move customization on Rool excites me. What if you could customize his blunderbuss to shoot out clouds instead? (since randomized projectiles like the Dees seem to be out).

That would be awesome. K. Rool would have EXCELLENT customization.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a fun thought: every newcomer reveal trailer has gotten a different type of production. Little Mac got a comic book style, Palutena got a little anime and Mega Man got a CG cutscene. To cut it short, wouldn't it be great to see K. Rool's reveal trailer in the 3D graphic style of the Donkey Kong Country TV series?

It would probably be the most difficult style to emulate, but it wouldn't be that expensive for a minute or so of footage.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

I feel like K. Rool's trailer should be more in-line with the cartoony colorful style of Tropical Freeze. I feel like doing it in the style of the retro DK cartoon/games, you tie him down specifically to that era which should not be the case in any sense of the word.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Here's a fun thought: every newcomer reveal trailer has gotten a different type of production. Little Mac got a comic book style, Palutena got a little anime and Mega Man got a CG cutscene. To cut it short, wouldn't it be great to see K. Rool's reveal trailer in the 3D graphic style of the Donkey Kong Country TV series?

It would probably be the most difficult style to emulate, but it wouldn't be that expensive for a minute or so of footage.

As long as he has a longer cape and a tail I'd be ok with it.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I find it REALLY weird we don't have a DK stage yet.

It's entirely possible that a lot of levels are being left out so that they don't get us talking about it, like Pyrosphere. The Donkey Kong level might be something that hints at K. Rool, which might explain its lack of appearance. Devil's in the details:

* No Donkey Kong level.
* No Rhythm Heaven level.
* No Xenoblade level.
* No Pyrosphere level available for play at E3/Smashfest.

Could just be a coincidence, but who knows?

 

[FalKoopa]

Here's a fun thought: every newcomer reveal trailer has gotten a different type of production. Little Mac got a comic book style, Palutena got a little anime and Mega Man got a CG cutscene. To cut it short, wouldn't it be great to see K. Rool's reveal trailer in the 3D graphic style of the Donkey Kong Country TV series?

It would probably be the most difficult style to emulate, but it wouldn't be that expensive for a minute or so of footage.

I'd prefer a trailer using the style like in Mega Man or Greninja's, personally. Though I wouldn't mind that.

 

[JaidynReiman]

It's entirely possible that a lot of levels are being left out so that they don't get us talking about it, like Pyrosphere. The Donkey Kong level might be something that hints at K. Rool, which might explain its disappearance. Devil's in the details:

* No Donkey Kong level.
* No Rhythm Heaven level.
* No Xenoblade level.
* No Pyrosphere level available for play at E3/Smashfest.

Could just be a coincidence, but who knows?

That was my theory on a DK level.

 

[MasterWarlord]

It's an entirely different scenario.

Pac-Man has always been heavily linked with other Namco games because he is the company mascot. This is seen as early on as 1983 with Pac and Pal:

See the Galaga ships? Those are powerups that you use to stun the ghosts. They are the first of many little references in the game.

This has become something of a tradition in Pac-Man games. The Pac-Man World series of games (which are some of his best, btw) have Galaxians as collectibles that take you to a maze for bonus points. Pac-Man games often have characters from others games appear in some form (Pooka, for example, is a friend that you have to rescue in the original Pac-Man World, and is an enemy in Pac-Man World 2). Then there's stuff like Pac-Man and Galaga Dimensions, which is obvious, and stuff like Pac-Man World Rally which includes Prince, Pooka, and Fygar as playable characters.

Basically, my point is that it's perfectly in character for him to use those items in his moveset. It's been going on for a long time and is not just something Smash did. Namco treats Pac-Man like the all-encompassing company mascot and probably liked this direction with Pac-Man because it represents Namco itself instead of just one part of Namco, which is something they've done with him for years.

I would type more, but I honestly don't care enough to. I just wanted to correct you on that. This iteration of Pac-Man is actually the most faithful to his character that I've seen in a long time. *coughstreetfighterxtekkencough*

Fine, I will accept your argument for the Namco props. Even if I still dislike it that improves it somewhat. However; you did not even attempt to defend the accusation of him summoning his mortal enemies, the ghosts.

Pac-Man having these things makes sense as an all-encompassing Namco character, which is very obviously the approach they're taking. If you're equating this to "K. Rool throwing out Kong summons", then you're clearly misinterpreting this. References and nostalgia for Pac-Man are completely different than references and nostalgia on K. Rool.

References and nostalgia on K. Rool is him using his good design and having him bring out old tools that makes sense on the character - we'd much rather see him using his propeller pack over, say, the rocket barrel as a recovery. I'm not at all worried about how they'll handle Rool, I'm just more anxious about whether he actually makes it in. And if he doesn't, hoping he doesn't get an AT or boss so he can become DLC.

No, I am not stupid enough to think that K. Rool's moveset being like that is an actual risk. I am saying that summoning the ghosts is as bad as if K. Rool summoned the Kongs. There is plenty arbitrary nostalgia throughout the set with the props without the need for that. This is also the Classic Pac Man, not the new Pac Man where the ghost characterization is corrupted and they're turned into his friends.

 

[BKupa666]

Before moving on from the Pac-Man thing, I can see why they gave him all the retro props, since without them, he's basically left with generic butt-bouncing and chomping, but it's absolutely out of character for him to summon his enemy ghosts in particular. It would be like Mario showing up as a guest in some third party fighter as a "Nintendo Rep" and pulling out Goombas and Koopas to fight loyally at his side.

As far as a K. Rool trailer goes, check out that split second clip of DK running through the jungle in the very first trailer. That's the style I think we'd see in a K. Rool trailer.

 

[Deleted member]

As far as a K. Rool trailer goes, check out that split second clip of DK running through the jungle in the very first trailer. That's the style I think we'd see in a K. Rool trailer.

I like this is idea best. A darker, more vibrant but not quite DKCR levels of colorful, that'd best fit K. Rool. If it were to capture that quasi-realistic look of the classic DKC trilogy, that'd be perfect.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I don't really know what I'd like to see in K. Rool reveal trailer.

Maybe the Kremlings kidnapping Peach, as a homage to the SSE cutscene where the Koopa Troop steals the banana hoard?