K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[False Sense]

So, with Diddy Kong being revealed (notably without Dixie and with his bananas), how much would you say this affects K. Rool's chances? Are they higher or lower, and is the change significant? What about K. Rool's competition, Dixie Kong? How would you say she fares at this point?

 

[Deleted member]

So, with Diddy Kong being revealed (notably without Dixie and with his bananas), how much would you say this affects K. Rool's chances? Are they higher or lower, and is the change significant? What about K. Rool's competition, Dixie Kong? How would you say she fares at this point?

Higher for sure; Diddy's inclusion and his bananas especially make it highly unlikely there will be a tag team with him and Dixie Kong. That in mind, it comes down to Dixie getting a solo moveset, something that requires a lot of effort to make work. I'd say that makes Dixie less likely and helps out K. Rool a good bit.

 

[BKupa666]

One thing I noticed last night with Diddy's reveal was that the DK series characters seem to have rather pastel-colored renders that look almost cell-shaded in some ways, particularly Diddy's. I'm curious what a K. Rool render would look like with that style, since he's theoretically share it as part of the DKUniverse.

 

[Sehnsucht]

So, with Diddy Kong being revealed (notably without Dixie and with his bananas), how much would you say this affects K. Rool's chances? Are they higher or lower, and is the change significant? What about K. Rool's competition, Dixie Kong? How would you say she fares at this point?

I think it technically diminishes both of their chances. With a Diddy-Dixie combo, we could have had two DK Newcomers while taking up less space. But now, we'll either have one DK Newcomer (which means some measure of competition), or less likely, two DK Newcomers for two spaces in the roster.

Dixie will at least be a semi-clone of Diddy. They are both the same size, and would most likely have the same weight, and be nimble and quick. What differentiates them would of course be Dixie's hair-based attacks and more aerial predisposition, along with whatever tools she brings to the game. K Rool would be more unique, however, as a Heavyweight who relies on a variety of tools and gadgets (unlike Dedede, who relies on a singular weapon, and Waddle Dees to a lesser extent).

In terms of likelihood, Dixie probably has the one-up, since she stars in TF and has ties to Diddy. Yet while she is now most probably a standalone fighter, the fact that they didn't show her off in last week's Direct despite the TF release date means one of two things:

A) She isn't in the game, and they're waiting to show off K Rool on a bigger occasion (E3, etc.);

B) She is in the game, and they're waiting for some kind of DK blowout to show her off.

C) She and K Rool are both in the game, and they're waiting for some kind of DK blowout to show them off.

But we've now passed both the Japanese and American release dates for Tropical Freeze - which, to my knowledge, makes her first actual mainstream DK appearance since the DKC days. She may have appeared in random spinoffs in recent years (Sluggers, Barrel Blast, etc.) - but then again, so has K Rool.

If Dixie's inclusion is hinged on her appearance in the mainstream Tropical Freeze, her absence in these past few weeks is most circumspect, as it was the most appropriate time to reveal her. All Newcomers have been shown via Directs, and usually to promote a relevant game (e.g. Sonic and Lost World in October 2013) or to tie-in to an anniversary (Little Mac and the Punch-Out anniversary this month).

So is Dixie to be shown in April's Direct? Or at E3? Or in the August/October Directs? Why do so then, when they could have done so in the past couple of weeks to tie into the release of Tropical Freeze?

Her suspicious absence looks like it lends a lot of credence to scenario A) - that she is not in the game, and K Rool is being saved for E3 or some other Direct event. C) is still possible, but Dixie is not a hugely requested, hype-inducing character like K Rool is, and so to show her off at E3 seems odd, as E3 is supposed to be a hypefest, amping up the anticipation for upcoming games. So for now, I'm leaning towards A).

But I'll leave the rest - Kutthroat or not - to decide for themselves.

 

[Bowserlick]

Well, I don't see how Sakurai gets away with no super-heavyweights for this edition of Smash.

I am sure there are several archetypes that he wants to add to with new characters. And really Ridley or King K. Rool are perfect for filling that spot (and maybe the only real contenders: both also having the ability to take away the title of supreme, heaviest heavyweight from Bowser).

 

[Deleted member]

One important thing to note about Dixie is popularity, or lack thereof, before her reveal for Tropical Freeze. Now, ignoring the nature of her new-found fans respectfully, we can agree that her boost came after the roster was finalized. Prior to appearing in the new game, Dixie was fairly unknown compared to King K. Rool. What I feel is easily forgotten about Tropical Freeze and Dixie Kong is that we may have been able to assume that Sakurai knew about the game and prepared accordingly for it by adding in Dixie as a rep. However, if that was the case, the fact that the time has passed to represent Tropical Freeze not only goes against Dixie's chances, but hints at the fact that Sakurai actually didn't know about Tropical Freeze enough to make substantive changes to the roster, or he outright ignored the game anyway, as we can see in Diddy Kong's design, he has sometimes opted to go in the alternative direction to reference the DKC trilogy or DK64.

To sum up, Dixie Kong was a non-entity before revealed for Tropical Freeze. If Sakurai wasn't banking on her inclusion vastly improving her popularity, it would be evidenced by her no-showing for the Japanese and American releases when it made the most sense. I don't consider Dixie Kong a character who can pull the hype for this game at E3 - I think her chances are shot to ribbons by other female sidekick type characters, Rosalina or Palutena are prime examples who are in or a lock. Honestly, I don't think Dixie is getting in at all. If she does I predict it will be a largely cloned set from Diddy, and it would be a crime to have that be the only DK newcomer. I'd say K. Rool is nearing a lock, and I couldn't be happier about it.

 

[Bowserlick]

One important thing to note about Dixie is popularity, or lack thereof, before her reveal for Tropical Freeze. Now, ignoring the nature of her new-found fans respectfully, we can agree that her boost came after the roster was finalized. Prior to appearing in the new game, Dixie was fairly unknown compared to King K. Rool. What I feel is easily forgotten about Tropical Freeze and Dixie Kong is that we may have been able to assume that Sakurai knew about the game and prepared accordingly for it by adding in Dixie as a rep. However, if that was the case, the fact that the time has passed to represent Tropical Freeze not only goes against Dixie's chances, but hints at the fact that Sakurai actually didn't know about Tropical Freeze enough to make substantive changes to the roster, or he outright ignored the game anyway, as we can see in Diddy Kong's design, he has sometimes opted to go in the alternative direction to reference the DKC trilogy or DK64.

To sum up, Dixie Kong was a non-entity before revealed for Tropical Freeze. If Sakurai wasn't banking on her inclusion vastly improving her popularity, it would be evidenced by her no-showing for the Japanese and American releases when it made the most sense. I don't consider Dixie Kong a character who can pull the hype for this game at E3 - I think her chances are shot to ribbons by other female sidekick type characters, Rosalina or Palutena are prime examples who are in or a lock. Honestly, I don't think Dixie is getting in at all. If she does I predict it will be a largely cloned set from Diddy, and it would be a crime to have that be the only DK newcomer. I'd say K. Rool is nearing a lock, and I couldn't be happier about it.

Sakurai is at least aware of Dixie Kong. She almost got into Brawl, albeit being tacked onto Diddy Kong. With the tag-team mechanic scrapped, Dixie Kong was given the boot.

So maybe Sakurai thought she was only worthy as an addition for the mechanic in order for the gimmick to function. But either way, she did come close last time in Brawl. Could she resurrect the tag-team mechanic with Kiddie or Cranky Kong? Do people really want four apes?

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai is at least aware of Dixie Kong. She almost got into Brawl, albeit being tacked onto Diddy Kong. With the tag-team mechanic scrapped, Dixie Kong was given the boot.

So maybe Sakurai thought she was only worthy as an addition for the mechanic in order for the gimmick to function. But either way, she did come close last time in Brawl. Could she resurrect the tag-team mechanic with Kiddie or Cranky Kong? Do people really want four apes?

Oh, I know he's aware of Dixie Kong. But there are theories that Dixie was replaced by the bananas in development and I believe there is no proof of her set in the coding of the game, only a slot. Now that Diddy has the bananas and Dixie has been getting the boot very recently too in being ignored, you're right to look back at Brawl. One thing is that Diddy's nanners ended up not only a replacement tag down special (theorized) but an incredibly popular mechanic for tournament play.

If it comes down to a solo set, Dixie has to compete with the other Kongs, moreso than K. Rool has to compete with her. K. Rool can easily have his own standalone set that adds a tonne to the game. And as you said, Dixie is one of four apes, but also in my opinion the least interesting one.

 

[BKupa666]

One thought I had was that, if Sakurai was gonna bring Dixie back in Brawl as a duo character, isn't that concrete proof that he doesn't care about "relevance" within the very DK series where it's allegedly the most important thing in the world? I mean, Diddy himself wasn't in Jungle Beat, but the muhrelevant crew can fudge around there and talk about how he was in the blockbuster all-star games of Mario Power Tennis and Toadstool Tour. But Dixie? Wasn't in DK64, wasn't in Jungle Beat, wasn't in any spin-offs before Brawl's roster was finalized (Superstar Baseball came after this). And yet was almost added...as part of a mechanic from a game made in 1995. And yet only got scrapped because of technical difficulties.

 

[Bowserlick]

I don't think relevance matters. No memorable villain has replaced King K. Rool in the DK series.

Donkey Kong Kountry needs animal buddies and Kremlins for the third game in the Returns series.

I think King K. Rool and Ridley are competing for a space. Only one of them may make it. If Sakurai takes Ridley over King K. Rool (if they are indeed competing for reptilian super-heavyweight), then he might give Dixie Kong a second glance.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I don't think relevance matters. No memorable villain has replaced King K. Rool in the DK series.

Donkey Kong Kountry needs animal buddies and Kremlins for the third game in the Returns series.

I think King K. Rool and Ridley are competing for a space. Only one of them may make it. If Sakurai takes Ridley over King K. Rool (if they are indeed competing for reptilian super-heavyweight), then he might give Dixie Kong a second glance.

Ridley and K Rool as reptilian super-heavyweight competitors? This has never occurred to me.

To my mind, both are very deserving candidates in their respective franchises, and for similar reasons - series antagonists, under-repped series, unique playstyles, etc. Metroid and DK are both lacking their prime villains, whereas other central franchises have (Bowser, Wario, Ganondorf, Dedede, Wolf...). I don't see them as competitors much at all.

And I easily can see K Rool as a (super-)heavyweight, but I'm not sure Ridley would constitute quite the same. He'll probably be slow, especially on land, but if he were too heavy, he would never be able to get off the ground. I envision Ridley as more like Rosalina (or Mewtwo) - a large character who is less heavy than they appear (which in Ridley's case, is because he is light enough to be the terror of the skies). He could be a heavyweight, but certainly not the heaviest character (unless his size allows it).

Besides, no reason we can't have two reptilian super-heavyweights, especially when they are starkly different than one another - with one being a land-based multi-tool brute, and the other being a master of the aerial game.

 

[Deleted member]

The reptilian super-heavyweight idea is interesting, but I don't think they'll both be super heavyweights. Ridley can't be super heavy when he's also a flier, think about if Pit was a super heavyweight and how broken that'd be. He won't be light but it's not a stretch to say K. Rool would be twice as heavy, and then it just comes down to them both being reptilians, and we already have Bowser for that.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

what if we get a Kremling special-world DLC for Tropical Freeze, that includes K. Rool as boss with a Viking costume? This could be a possibility for his announcement not being at E3. =P

PS: I like the Paon design, .. and, I'm not really seeing he getting in Smash in another design than that; ... seems that modern designs are a problem with every fanbase, huh? Paon's K. Rool, Ghostly Adventues' Pac-Man, Other M's Ridley, etc. XD

A kremling world dlc? Hell yeah, I'd buy tropical freeze just for that!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ridley can't be super heavy when he's also a flier, think about if Pit was a super heavyweight and how broken that'd be.

Ridley cannot use arrows to put his opponents to his place, nor are his attributes designed to have an emphasis on defense and balance.

Also, we technically already have heavy weights that have above normal recovery, and the only one that could be considered broken is Snake.

 

[Banjodorf]

That's another great point, BKupps.

Sakurai has shown time and time again he cares about the DK series itself, and not how relevant the characters are.

Honestly he's just looking for good ideas.

Mark my words, one way or another, we're going to see the King.

 

[False Sense]

Wow... there seems to be so much optimism for the beloved King making it into Smash.

At this point, I really want to see King K. Rool in the game for, if nothing else, the sake of seeing the joyous reactions of his fans across the world.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley cannot use arrows to put his opponents to his place, nor are his attributes designed to have an emphasis on defense and balance.

Also, we technically already have heavy weights that have above normal recovery, and the only one that could be considered broken is Snake.

Do you think Ridley will be a super heavyweight like Dedede or Bowser? He may not have arrows, but he does have projectiles and an aerial grab. I also think he will have a very good recovery, not just a normal one, due to his ability to fly. His weight can be played around with more than his flightiness and it wouldn't feel that awkward unless he went below the mid-tiers.

 

[Banjodorf]

Wow... there seems to be so much optimism for the beloved King making it into Smash.

At this point, I really want to see King K. Rool in the game for, if nothing else, the sake of seeing the joyous reactions of his fans across the world.

That's the same reason I want to see Ridley in. One because I'd really like him to be in, and secondly because of how much the reaction will shake the foundations of the net.

Still though. It's Sakurai. Anything can happen, but things certainly look good as they are.

 

[Rockaphin]

So, with Diddy Kong being revealed (notably without Dixie and with his bananas), how much would you say this affects K. Rool's chances? Are they higher or lower, and is the change significant? What about K. Rool's competition, Dixie Kong? How would you say she fares at this point?

I think it hurt K. Rool's chances slightly. Hopefully I'm wrong, He's my 3rd most wanted character. I mean, he was heavily requested in Brawl so hopefully Sakurai takes that into account.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I think K. Rool's chances are pretty higher now, especially since he's one of the most requested newcomers for the roster.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally find that K. Rool and Dixie Kong are both on the same level. They both have their positives and negatives; Dixie Kong is in Tropical Freeze while K. Rool isn't while K. Rool is more popular and more requested than Dixie.

I say that if one gets in, the other one won't. MAYBE Little Mac's reveal probably helped K. Rool since he couldn't be revealed; K. Rool can't advertise Tropical Freeze, now can he?

 

[SuperBrawler]

I personally find that K. Rool and Dixie Kong are both on the same level. They both have their positives and negatives; Dixie Kong is in Tropical Freeze while K. Rool isn't while K. Rool is more popular and more requested than Dixie.

I say that if one gets in, the other one won't. MAYBE Little Mac's reveal probably helped K. Rool since he couldn't be revealed; K. Rool can't advertise Tropical Freeze, now can he?

Actually I think Sakurai is going for uniqueness and Dixie would be a clone while K. Rook would be unique.

Wow... there seems to be so much optimism for the beloved King making it into Smash.

At this point, I really want to see King K. Rool in the game for, if nothing else, the sake of seeing the joyous reactions of his fans across the world.

Agreed.

 

[Popo Nana Power]

I'd like his Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstein outfits as alternate costumes. They both look much better than his king outfit IMO.

 

[SeatreasureReturned]

I don't think Dixie not being revealed during Tropical Freeze hurts her chances. For all we know, she could be in the game and be kept hidden until the release date. Many characters in Brawl weren't revealed until the very last minute. And although likely, Dixie may not be a semi-clone if playable. It is really impossible to speculate.

Basically, I see it as a two character race right now. It is neck and neck. Both deserve to be in, but most likely only one will make it. Good luck to you guys! (But I'm rooting for Dixie)

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I think his King and Pirate Kaptain costumes are the best ones.

 

[Johnknight1]

Many characters in Brawl weren't revealed until the very last minute.

The only newcomers that we didn't know about (sans from deductions of accuracy via legitimate leaks) until the game came out were ROB, Wolf, and Toon Link (if you consider him a newcomer).

Also, there's a great chance we won't get hidden characters this time around. What's the point anymore=??? All the other fighting games stopped doing it, including Tekken and Soulcalibur.

Actually I think Sakurai is going for uniqueness and Dixie would be a clone while K. Rook would be unique.

Dixie could definitely be unique, but her potential for uniqueness is a lot less than K. Rool's IMO.

What I think will wind up happening is next time around she will playable, while this time around K. Rool is playable. I imagine Sakurai will "sit on the thought of her" much like what I think he did with Little Mac and the Villager between Brawl and Smash 4 (and maybe Mega Man 2, although Mega Man writes himself out pretty easily).

I'd like his Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstein outfits as alternate costumes.

We all would.

So, with Diddy Kong being revealed (notably without Dixie and with his bananas), how much would you say this affects K. Rool's chances? Are they higher or lower, and is the change significant? What about K. Rool's competition, Dixie Kong? How would you say she fares at this point?

I think it helps K. Rool. Even if another DK character is confirmed as playable before him, he still has a reasonable shot. And if not, well, he kinda makes the lot of the potential newcomers look small. Other than Miis and Pac-Man, no other potential newcomer is nearly as well known or popular outside of Smash.

Ridley for sure has a great following among smashers for sure, but K. Rool's franchise is just flat out bigger (hence why DKC Returns outsold every Metroid Prime trilogy release combined). All the other characters that are potential newcomers are either "just another passable face" from a franchise or the main face of a largely unknown franchise.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I don't think Dixie not being revealed during Tropical Freeze hurts her chances. For all we know, she could be in the game and be kept hidden until the release date. Many characters in Brawl weren't revealed until the very last minute. And although likely, Dixie may not be a semi-clone if playable. It is really impossible to speculate.

Basically, I see it as a two character race right now. It is neck and neck. Both deserve to be in, but most likely only one will make it. Good luck to you guys! (But I'm rooting for Dixie)

If it were impossible to speculate, this thread would likely not even have been created.

Whether or not Dixie is in the game, we can both agree, I think, that the most appropriate time to have revealed her has come and pass (i.e. Tropical Freeze release dates) - after all, TF is the first mainstream DK title she has appeared in since the original DKC era (both she and K Rool have appeared in many spin-offs in the years since).

Newcomers (and Third-Parties) have universally been revealed in Directs, and the Directs in which they feature is determined either by anniversaries (e.g. Little Mac), promotion for a relevant game (e.g. Sonic, Rosalina), or for special events (e.g. E3 Newcomer trio). Via Tropical Freeze, Dixie would fit into the second category.

So this "missed opportunity", if you will, is rather curious. It might not hurt her chances all that much, as she could be revealed at a later event (or after release). But it hurts her more than it does K Rool, who has no ties to Tropical Freeze (and can thus be revealed at any time, most appropriately at E3 2014).

Weeks ago, I might also have agreed that Dixie and K Rool are neck and neck. There is certainly no question that they are both worthy DK candidates (the only ones, really). But now, things are beginning to lean in the Kremling King's favour, even if only slightly.

Yet even so, while I now champion K Rool's cause more than ever, I also tip my pirate hat to the Dixie camp. So good luck to you also (and added thanks for being most courteous gent).

 

[Deleted member]

There is certainly no question that they are both worthy DK candidates (the only ones, really).

*Ahem*

 

[Sehnsucht]

*Ahem*

Your image is broken, sir.

Much like the hopes and dreams you held for whatever character it is that you are attempting to reference. >8D

 

[Deleted member]

Image works fine for me.
I even see it twice now.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

For those of you wishing to support your king, you can buy an exclusive Kaptain K. Rool's Spiced Rum t-shirt design over at http://www.theyetee.com/ for 11 dollars for the next 24 hours.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Image works fine for me.
I even see it twice now.

The image remains broken for me at the moment. Might it be a problem on my end? I'm using Firefox, if that's any help.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

The image remains broken for me at the moment. Might it be a problem on my end? I'm using Firefox, if that's any help.

nah its broken for me as well

 

[SmashShadow]

The image:

 

[Groose]

Over at Rate Their Chances, we rate both the likelihood of characters and how much we want them. It seems like we have rerates for Ridley and K. Rool more than any other characters, and a very clear pattern was emerging: K. Rool slightly beat out Ridley in likelihood, Ridley slightly beat out K. Rool in want. However, with one of our most recent ratings... K. Rool passed Ridley in want.

Although I know this is pretty insignificant, it was certainly satisfying for me announcing that K. Rool was the most wanted character according to Rate Their Chances.

 

[Moon Monkey]

That's another great point, BKupps.

Sakurai has shown time and time again he cares about the DK series itself, and not how relevant the characters are.

Honestly he's just looking for good ideas.

Mark my words, one way or another, we're going to see the King.

Hell Sakurai being a huge retro junkie, I wouldn't be surprised if King K. Rool made it purely on his original DKC trilogy attendance. I mean his theme was the DKC series' song of choice for the Classic mode credits after all.

In any case, I think Dixie and King Rool both have a chance. Missing the Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze release date means nothing really.

Example: Super Mario 3D World was released in November of last year. That date has come and gone and we saw no newcomer reveals then.
While we as fans for the most part weren't expecting a new Mario character, Sakurai and his team obviously had Rosalina in the pipeline long before.
You would think a reveal on the release date of Super Mario 3D World would be ideal; However, it wasn't until a month later in a December Direct we revived Rosalina.

Now I'm not suggesting that we'll see a DKC newcomer the next month, or even the next Nintendo Direct (Although it is possible). I am however suggesting that newcomers probably won't be shown off as promo material for upcoming games. If past actions has taught us anything its that special events like E3 or a Nintendo Direct is the platform for newcomer reveals.

 

[Thunderfang747]

Hell Sakurai being a huge retro junkie, I wouldn't be surprised if King K. Rool made it purely on his original DKC trilogy attendance. I mean his theme was the DKC series' song of choice for the Classic mode credits after all.

In any case, I think Dixie and King Rool both have a chance. Missing the Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze release date means nothing really.

Example: Super Mario 3D World was released in November of last year. That date has come and gone and we saw no newcomer reveals then.
While we as fans for the most part weren't expecting a new Mario character, Sakurai and his team obviously had Rosalina in the pipeline long before.
You would think a reveal on the release date of Super Mario 3D World would be ideal; However, it wasn't until a month later in a December Direct we revived Rosalina.

Now I'm not suggesting that we'll see a DKC newcomer the next month, or even the next Nintendo Direct (Although it is possible). I am however suggesting that newcomers probably won't be shown off as promo material for upcoming games. If past actions has taught us anything its that special events like E3 or a Nintendo Direct is the platform for newcomer reveals.

Probably true, also the date the Nintendo Direct landed on was the perfect time to reveal Little Mac. Since he was hinted at from the beginning, I wouldn't be surprised if he was always planned to be one of the earlier newcomer reveals plus his anniversary fell on that day. I also think that Diddy getting revealed means next to nothing honestly. It would just be strange for them to reveal Dixie before Diddy imo, like Luigi before Mario or whatever. Not saying Dixie is a lock, but I feel like her chances are just as good now as they were last month.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, more people are starting to crawl out of woodwork with the misconception that the Kremlins belong to Rare and that's why they are omitted from games.

 

[FalKoopa]

To be very honest, I don't really see why everyone is suddenly a lot more optimistic about him.

Diddy was a shoo-in anyway you look at it, so nothing has really changed, now has it?

As for the Rare vs. Paon designs, I'd like a mix of both, like the larger crown and golden belly with the Paon design's build.

 

[Groose]

To be very honest, I don't really see why everyone is suddenly a lot more optimistic about him.

Diddy was a shoo-in anyway you look at it, so nothing has really changed, now has it?

As for the Rare vs. Paon designs, I'd like a mix of both, like the larger crown and golden belly with the Paon design's build.

I feel more optimistic about him mainly because we had a Direct at the pivotal time for promoting Tropical Freeze, and it passed without mention of Dixie. Nintendo would have benefited a lot more if they had revealed Dixie at that time than if they had revealed Mac... it makes it look like she's not in the game, something that can only help K. Rool.

Diddy's current reveal doesn't really mean much for K. Rool's odds, but it does mean that they could theoretically show him now were he in the game. They wouldn't show him before they showed Diddy.