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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

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Im not seeing a SINGLE K Rool related photo for the miiverse contest under the popular tab.

We seriously need to start hitting "yeah" and commenting on each K Rool image so they get pushed up....otherwise I'm confident K Rool will not win this photo contest
 
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Oh hey, we were talking about Serious Monkey Business. It's definitely the best DKC remix out there. It just dials up the already foreboding theme of DKC2 up to eleven.

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Nintendo Direct announcement should happen within the next 24 hour. If it happens thursday, its always at least a days notice!

Lets keep an eye out!
 
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EdgeTheLucas said:
I beat Donkey Kong Country 2 today, a couple of hours ago.

I now have firsthand experience of why K. Rool must have been so memorable. His boss fight in this game was INSANE. And hard. I got like 7 or 8 Game Overs, he took me like an hour and a half of tries to beat.

I've been ignoring K. Rool moveset posts here for a while now because I wanted to experience K. Rool's boss fights for myself first, but I see now why you guys clamor and rally around the King. Going by his DKC2 boss fight ALONE his moveset potential is ENORMOUS. That weird gun thing you guys keep calling the blunderbuss that shoots cannonballs, gases, and flames (and it can suck you up, too) is simply one of the neatest weapons of any Nintendo villain ever. Just imagining K. Rool using the thing in Smash is an amazing prospect-- shooting guys with spiked cannonballs with those weird spiral-y trajectories (to differentiate them from King Dedede's Gordos or Bowser Jr.'s own cannonballs), stunning fighters with his gases, vacuuming others up as a grab or Kirby-like suction attack, dashing around like mad with the blunderbuss fire as a recovery, and even turning invisible would all make him super fun and unique without really being super-gimmick-y like a lot of Smash 4 newcomers (not that they're bad, but I like the more straightforward fighters a lot more). This isn't even taking into account his first boss fight (cannonballs from the sky, and tossing his crown a little) or his third and fourth, owing just how creative K. Rool can be going only by his DKC 2 boss fight.

I might have joined a while ago, but admittedly it was more out of a thought process sounding like, "Well, even if I don't know much about him, it still feels pretty wrong to leave K. Rool out of this game." Now I've REALLY joined, however, as now I'm pretty hyped for the prospect, having fought the guy myself. Firsthand experience goes a long way.
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Its because of these boards why i played DKC2 aswell because for the longest time i have only played and finished DKC1 like 3 or 4 times.

And DK64
Still never played DKC3 though.

I plan to buy em all for WiiU VC later.

Plus its only the GBC DKC1 i have played and finished many times lol & DKC2 GBA finished once.
 
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You know, something that occurred to me, K. Rool's design in Smash could create some inner conflict with how Retro handles him. All of the (few) DK characters they've used have modified Paon designs, but K. Rool's costume has his Rare design, and so would he if he became playable. Retro would either have to use a design that differs from the other characters' or go against Smash's grain and give him a second modern redesign.
 
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You know, something that occurred to me, K. Rool's design in Smash could create some inner conflict with how Retro handles him. All of the (few) DK characters they've used have modified Paon designs, but K. Rool's costume has his Rare design, and so would he if he became playable. Retro would either have to use a design that differs from the other characters' or go against Smash's grain and give him a second modern redesign.
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Or maybe in the case of most characters, Retro thought they looked fine with a slightly modified Paon design, but in the case of K. Rool they think his Rare desgin looks better.
 
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Some guy just said Pichu is more likely than any newcomer. Considering not too many people want Pichu back (I know there's some demand) and like all of the top 5 besides maybe Wolf and Snake are newcomers and that Sakurai said that all DLC from now on is fanservice, how in the hell is that true?
 
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POKEMANSPIKA said:
Some guy just said Pichu is more likely than any newcomer. Considering not too many people want Pichu back (I know there's some demand) and like all of the top 5 besides maybe Wolf and Snake are newcomers and that Sakurai said that all DLC from now on is fanservice, how in the hell is that true?
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While I'd hate Pichu, he has a large cult following, due to Melee....especially in Japan. Considering how easy Pichu would be to make, I would not be shocked at all if Pichu gets added. The best reason against him however is the fact we just got Mewtwo...so hopefully Pichu won't happen.

Edit: Also to further the case. Theres still two DLC slots currently in the game. Many speculate these are preballot characters. If we can all agree Wolf is taking one of these spots...it leaves mystery as to who will get the second slot:

Ice Climbers: They are basically finished and I feel they have a decent chance of being preballot DLC. Lots of people think Sakurai said they would never happen because of the 3DS...but he also said they were low priority and little work went into them. So without time constraints they can easily be finished for DLC
Snake: Possible, but with Konami I'd doubt it
Ivysaur/Squirtle: Can't see one coming back without the other
Pichu: Very easy clone to make, and has somewhat of a demand. Could see this happening.
Young Link: I feel Toon Link fits this role, and would be redundant. But then again, we have 3 Marths.
Chorus Kids: At first I was convinced they would be DLC...but now that the RH music is allocated to the Miiverse Stage, Im not sure what to think.

So ultimately I'd say that last slot goes to Ice Climbers or Pichu. With Pichu being the easier to make....but Ice Climbers are already mostly finished so who knows.
 
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Senselessbreak said:
While I'd hate Pichu, he has a large cult following, due to Melee....especially in Japan. Considering how easy Pichu would be to make, I would not be shocked at all if Pichu gets added. The best reason against him however is the fact we just got Mewtwo...so hopefully Pichu won't happen.
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Making us wait 7 months for Pichu is literally the worst idea ever.
 
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Ice Climbers: They are basically finished and I feel they have a decent chance of being preballot DLC. Lots of people think Sakurai said they would never happen because of the 3DS...but he also said they were low priority and little work went into them. So without time constraints they can easily be finished for DLC
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Even if I cram in as many fighters as I can, there are some people who are focused on the few who didn’t make it back. Among them are the Ice Climbers, who were playable during development on the Wii U. However, moving the two as a pair required significant processing power. The 3DS was already being pushed to its limit, and I couldn’t get them to work no matter how hard I tried, so I gave up on them. The other fighters had to be whittled and pared down until I could get them to work, so it was simply unavoidable.
I couldn’t get them to work no matter how hard I tried: I removed as many joints as I possibly could, and even when I removed certain effects, like gravity, they still wouldn’t work. Olimar and his Pikmin were also extremely difficult, but I managed to at least get them to work.
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http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/09/i-answer-some-questions-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-461-464/


Ice Climbers ain't happening.
 
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POKEMANSPIKA said:
I'm nor saying Pichu's a bad character, its just making us wait that long for a relatively easy character to make is quite dumb.
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I know. But YL is easy too, and waiting seven months only to get him would be even worse than waiting for Pichu, as we have a very similar character already in the game.
 
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While I'd hate Pichu, he has a large cult following, due to Melee....especially in Japan. Considering how easy Pichu would be to make, I would not be shocked at all if Pichu gets added. The best reason against him however is the fact we just got Mewtwo...so hopefully Pichu won't happen.

Edit: Also to further the case. Theres still two DLC slots currently in the game. Many speculate these are preballot characters. If we can all agree Wolf is taking one of these spots...it leaves mystery as to who will get the second slot:

Ice Climbers: They are basically finished and I feel they have a decent chance of being preballot DLC. Lots of people think Sakurai said they would never happen because of the 3DS...but he also said they were low priority and little work went into them. So without time constraints they can easily be finished for DLC
Snake: Possible, but with Konami I'd doubt it
Ivysaur/Squirtle: Can't see one coming back without the other
Pichu: Very easy clone to make, and has somewhat of a demand. Could see this happening.
Young Link: I feel Toon Link feels this role, and would be redundant. But then again, we have 3 Marths.
Chorus Kids: At first I was convinced they would be DLC...but now that the RH music is allocated to the Miiverse Stage, Im not sure what to think.

So ultimately I'd say that last slot goes to Ice Climbers or Pichu. With Pichu being the easier to make....but Ice Climbers are already mostly finished so who knows.
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Except Sakurai had an article about exactly why the Ice Climbers aren't playable. He tried everything, even removing bones from them and removing gravity, so he said, to no dice. He only barely got the Pikmin to work and he had to cut their numbers in half and animate them like ass. I don't think the Ice Climbers are coming back for this installment, ever.

As for Snake, the whole Konami issue.

I think Ivysaur is more of a possibility than Squirtle, because Greninja

Pichu is definitely a possibility, especially if you throw in Plusle and Minun alts. He would be widely hated, as he's among the most divisive characters in the roster. I don't hate the little yellow rodent, because he was a secondary of mine in Melee (I played Pikachu and Bowser more). I actually wouldn't mind seeing him come back, but the fan rage could be too intense.

I would legitimately hate to see Young Link return. Sure, we have 3 Marths, but that's because they are different CHARACTERS. Marth, Roy, and Lucina. I don't need to see Link have three different iterations of the same character. Link, Toon Link, and Young Link. People don't like the idea of 3 Marios (Paper Mario) and he's frickin MARIO. Link shouldn't either.

Chorus Kids...it's possible. What with Gematsu being MOSTLY right, and Chrom was even considered at one point. But this had to be very early they had that information and stuff can change. Chorus MEN, rather, need to be a hell of a lot more easy to animate than the ICs, like Game and Watch simple, to be possible. Or use visual trickery to make one character appear like it's three

That said, if both pre-ballots (both marios in the data) are pre-ballot, I think Wolf, Pichu, and maybe Chorus Men take those spots. Then again we had NO INDICATION that Ryu was even planned before the data mine, despite being pre-ballot, so this makes Chorus Men's Gematsu status sorta irrelevant. I WANT to believe Ivysaur could be pre-ballot but I can't be too biased.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/09/i-answer-some-questions-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-461-464/


Ice Climbers ain't happening.
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Thats interesting because theres another article where Sakurai says

"When it comes to characters and series without any future plans – that is, without the prospect for new games to come out soon – those are always going to be a lower priority. As for porting characters from Melee, the original data is now old enough that it’s no longer a simple, straightforward process."
 
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Only veterans I can see happening at the moment are Wolf and, if the issues that kept him from the main game somehow get resolved, Snake. Pichu especially wasn't even bothered with for Brawl in the Forbidden 7, so there's not even the Roy excuse of "Sakurai might have genius new things to do with his moveset!"

You know, "delusional" as it may sound, there's a nonzero chance of K. Rool himself being the sixth Mario, hence the new textures/resources from his costume. It's not as though his support spontaneously manifested when the ballot started existing (4chan...).
 
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Senselessbreak said:
Thats interesting because theres another article where Sakurai says

"When it comes to characters and series without any future plans – that is, without the prospect for new games to come out soon – those are always going to be a lower priority. As for porting characters from Melee, the original data is now old enough that it’s no longer a simple, straightforward process."
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Also remember Sakurai does not like cutting characters, and having to cut ones so unique like the Ice Climbers must have been rough on him. I think Sakurai really did try to give it his all to make the ICs work. And does this quote apply to characters already in the game or just prospective newcomers?
 
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Thats interesting because theres another article where Sakurai says

"When it comes to characters and series without any future plans – that is, without the prospect for new games to come out soon – those are always going to be a lower priority. As for porting characters from Melee, the original data is now old enough that it’s no longer a simple, straightforward process."
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Same article I just posted:
"Also, characters and series that have no plans for future releases, or a low possibility of future releases, inevitably will be considered lower priority. Furthermore, transferring them from Melee would be difficult because the original data is old."

This point is a separate point to what prevented the Ice Climbers from showing up, which was that they simply weren't possible on the 3DS.
 
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dangeraaron10 said:
Except Sakurai had an article about exactly why the Ice Climbers aren't playable. He tried everything, even removing bones from them and removing gravity, so he said, to no dice. He only barely got the Pikmin to work and he had to cut their numbers in half and animate them like ***. I don't think the Ice Climbers are coming back for this installment, ever.

As for Snake, the whole Konami issue.

I think Ivysaur is more of a possibility than Squirtle, because Greninja

Pichu is definitely a possibility, especially if you throw in Plusle and Minun alts. He would be widely hated, as he's among the most divisive characters in the roster. I don't hate the little yellow rodent, because he was a secondary of mine in Melee (I played Pikachu and Bowser more). I actually wouldn't mind seeing him come back, but the fan rage could be too intense.

I would legitimately hate to see Young Link return. Sure, we have 3 Marths, but that's because they are different CHARACTERS. Marth, Roy, and Lucina. I don't need to see Link have three different iterations of the same character. Link, Toon Link, and Young Link. People don't like the idea of 3 Marios (Paper Mario) and he's frickin MARIO. Link shouldn't either.

Chorus Kids...it's possible. What with Gematsu being MOSTLY right, and Chrom was even considered at one point. But this had to be very early they had that information and stuff can change. Chorus MEN, rather, need to be a hell of a lot more easy to animate than the ICs, like Game and Watch simple, to be possible. Or use visual trickery to make one character appear like it's three

That said, if both pre-ballots (both marios in the data) are pre-ballot, I think Wolf, Pichu, and maybe Chorus Men take those spots. Then again we had NO INDICATION that Ryu was even planned before the data mine, despite being pre-ballot, so this makes Chorus Men's Gematsu status sorta irrelevant. I WANT to believe Ivysaur could be pre-ballot but I can't be too biased.
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So if people think Ice Climbers aren't going to happen....Pichu seems to be the most likely preballot DLC sadly.

Unless theres some newcomer other than Chorus Kids planned.
 
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So if people think Ice Climbers aren't going to happen....Pichu seems to be the most likely preballot DLC sadly.

Unless theres some newcomer other than Chorus Kids planned.
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Well, Ryu came literally out of no where, even more no where than Lucas did, and he lives in a town called No Where! So we could easily get blind sided by anything Sakurai has up his sleeves.
 
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Senselessbreak said:
So if people think Ice Climbers aren't going to happen....Pichu seems to be the most likely preballot DLC sadly.

Unless theres some newcomer other than Chorus Kids planned.
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Nope,nope nope. Six pokemon no more no less, it is a symbol of an actual team within the roster, and despite circumstances of characters getting in or not the six pokemon have been on the roster twice in a row. Mewtwo was clearly made DLC to promote the game during Smash 4's release, and he didn't make it in Brawl. Anyway back to K Rool!
 
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It's very likely Wolf and a newcomer.

And I'm going to probably be lynched for this because I dare say it on the K. Rool thread, but I theorize that K. Rool getting a costume is not to be some "test" to whether or not fans actually want K. Rool or that Sakurai is biased against K. Rool/the DK series or "out of touch" with the fanbase.
No, I theorize that K. Rool is a costume because Sakurai has already planned on Dixie Kong being DLC and doesn't want two DLC characters from the DK franchise (remember, he doesn't exactly share the fans' sentiments on how many a series "should" have).

"Sentiments", not "settlements".
Shows how tired I am.
 
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POKEMANSPIKA said:
Considering Pokemon is Nintendo's second biggest franchise, I don't see a problem with 7 Pokemon. You know, unless that 7th Pokemon isn't Meowth.
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See the things is I feel that they keep the number six a consistent number with the amount of reps on the roster to make it feel like there's a legit team of Pokemon in Smash. However this has nothing to do with King K Rool, wouldn't want another infraction placed against me, even though many others have gotten into page long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with K Rool and were not reprimanded.
 
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You know you want it.

What's the likelyhood of Meowth talking normally like he did in the Anime?

Also I seriously hope that is not the case @GoldenYuiitusin otherwise this entire campaign would be for absolutely nothing if Sakurai arbitrarily made up his mind on K. Rool from the get go.

Edit: And I'm well aware of the fact that the goal was to revive the character, which we still might do, for another DKCR game.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
It's very likely Wolf and a newcomer.

And I'm going to probably be lynched for this because I dare say it on the K. Rool thread, but I theorize that K. Rool getting a costume is not to be some "test" to whether or not fans actually want K. Rool or that Sakurai is biased against K. Rool/the DK series or "out of touch" with the fanbase.
No, I theorize that K. Rool is a costume because Sakurai has already planned on Dixie Kong being DLC and doesn't want two DLC characters from the DK franchise (remember, he doesn't exactly share the fans' sentiments on how many a series "should" have).

"Sentiments", not "settlements".
Shows how tired I am.
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This sad but likely because *looks at the disgusting amount of clones in the roster* Sakurai likes to take the easy route sometimes and give nonsensical reasons for his methods. Also I hope everyone know Dixie will, without a shadow of a doubt be a clone of Diddy in one way or another, because the one this Smash needs is more clones am I right?

Also I'm not trying to antagonize those who like Dixie but you know her fate...

So Yay ape waifu :glare: I guess
 
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