Just 'nother Mafia game | Game over, town wins

[Jdietz43]

Vote: Kaladin

I'm thoroughly unconvinced on Maven's detraction so far, and may not be around at 10:00 GMT since I work.

 

[Jdietz43]

HINT: That's 5:00PM Eastern TODAY that deadline is for those not keeping tabs.

 

[Orboknown]

Im probably gonna be wrapping up work about them so no gaurentees ill be here either

 

[Jdietz43]

...anybody?

 

[Jdietz43]

Koopa I see you viewing.

Vote or we're getting a no lynch, deadline is in an hour.

I'd much rather have a Kaladin flip than that, he's been dodging thread for days now pretending he has something to say.

 

[Maven89]

Vote: Kaladin

Really don't like that both J and Kaladin just buggered off

 

[Maven89]

Need one more

 

[Orboknown]

Welp
Getting close

 

[Jdietz43]

Plez.

Koops?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Maven [2] - soup, J
Kaladin [3] - Orbo, Dietz, Maven

Not voting: KingofKoopas, Kaladin
Takes 4/7 to lynch

 

[Jdietz43]

#HBC | J even?

 

[Jdietz43]

Soup is changing his goddamn avatar AS WE SPEAK and I can't tag him

 

[#HBC | J]

Holy ****, deadline is that close?

Unvote
Vote: Kaladin

ALthough I feel Maven is the better choice for toDay. We cannot have a NL. I adamantly refuse.

 

[Jdietz43]

@
#HBC | ѕoup

 

[#HBC | J]

Also my apologies for my absence as of late. I've been really busy with my show and also school piling up before break.

 

[#HBC | J]

If he flips town I am going to be so upset. But if he flips scum, I'm the hero/MVP for checking my phone haha.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Made it two minutes before, but now my vote isn't necessary. ;-;

 

[Jdietz43]

If he flips town I am going to be so upset. But if he flips scum, I'm the hero/MVP for checking my phone haha.

No you're not, you're the scumbag for not paying attention to my numerous posts about the fact we had a deadline rofl

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kaladin [Mafia Goon] has been lynched.
Day 1 ends, Night 1 begins. Send in all Night Actions within 48 hours.

No more posting.

 

[Jdietz43]

(IRL that is)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup [Town Jailer] has been killed during the Night!
Day 2 begins, with 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Surprise, surprise.

Personally, now that I'm back home for Thanksgiving break and I have more time, I'm going to go reread through stuff again. #HBC | J Could you see ANY other pairings at all with Kaladin besides Maven? Kaladin was way too vague for me to actually connect him with anyone.

 

[Orboknown]

Ill reread later tonight or tomorrow most likely.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Even better, did the tracker catch anyone doing something last night?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Go town.

 

[Maven89]

Hey #HBC | J you ever going to respond?

 

[Maven89]

Well not today probably

I'm having Dietz as my strongest town read, Koopa as the second, then Orbo and J. Baring some sudden scummy action or successful track then one of those should be the lynch today

 

[#HBC | J]

Surprise, surprise.

Personally, now that I'm back home for Thanksgiving break and I have more time, I'm going to go reread through stuff again. #HBC | J Could you see ANY other pairings at all with Kaladin besides Maven? Kaladin was way too vague for me to actually connect him with anyone.

That's the thing, looking over some things I may have arrived at some logical inconsistencies regarding my Maven/Kaladin push, however, I still feel very "..." about Maven especially when compared to my other reads. I like Ditzy. You and Orbo are floating in that vague Nullandia. Whereas Maven has been ehre and what he has posted I haven't gotten good vibes from at all.

A problem that we have is that Kaladin did not vote anyone at the end, not even Maven so I am scratching my head a bit. The only places Kaladin left a vote were on Soup (confirmed town) and Maven (?) which is making me wonder what he was doing. Was he just trying to stir up trouble between two possible town slots or is Maven his buddy?

For me, looking at it using Occam's Razor logic, Maven seems the most likely candidate to be Kaladin's partner mainly due to the only 3 "posters" in this game are Myself/Ditzy/Maven and with me being town, Ditzy reading as brownie townie pretty much, that just leaves Maven. The other content has just been null/prod dodgey from your slots so that is where I am at.

ToDay, I won't be focusing my main attention at Maven (don't worry, I do plan to respond when I get the chance), but actually I am looking at your slot and Orbo because we have the time and capability to look into your slots in more detail since it seems you and minorly Orbo seem to have more time to answer questions and the like.

My vote is comfy not being anywhere at the moment, but if I had to like "bet the game" on my vote at the moment I would go Maven>Orbo>Koopy>Ditzy in that order of confidence I have. However, I feel I am seeming more rigid then I mean to be. I am actually going to probably be very fluid especially after my 50/50 turned into me needing to stop giving newbies a pass for "newbie" feels and that they are just actually that scummy sometimes.

Sooooo long way to answer this, but yes I could see any other pairings with Kaladin because if looking at it from a pointed angle, no one looks like his partner through my eyes like concretely.

 

[Maven89]

J are we really going back to the whole "J is going to handwave away everything and slip around posting gifs" or are you going to actually respond to my response to your points back on day 1?

 

[#HBC | J]

Holy cow Maven, you're such a broken record and you aren't even reading what else I am saying in my posts.

These "points" better be like damning or THAT important when I find them or I am not going to be happy.

And I haven't even posted a .gif this Day Phase so....lol

 

[#HBC | J]

This is the post for reference, correct? Just making sure so there isn't another "Well he didn't respond to post #XXX!" People are busy Maven, but if you want to tunnel me I'm down for a little rough foreplay before we actually get to finding scum.

Well these paragraphs are contradictory. in the first you're claiming he has no defenders (you're defending him) and you think it's a mislynch, and at the same time you then claim everyone is harping on him for being "vague", but then in the second paragraph you actually acknowledge the real points on him and even say you wouldn't mind at all if he was lynched and that you'd want to "insta-lynch" the slot. Well, which one is it?

Also, to pretend no one has brought up the vote is just false. Here's a simple post on it



Then I acknowledged it when I said Kaladin "wasn't looking good on either flip" for Soup. I don't know why you're acting like no one is aware of that vote, we all read the thread too and no one is even voting Kaladin yet, why would there be a giant "here is why he's scum" post if no one is even voting him yet?



Going to point out that right here, you're pointing to me and Kaladin both being scum partners when your entire first part of your post was suggesting the Kaladin push was scum trying to get a mislynch, but halfway through the post you swap it to me and Kaladin being scum partners. This is also not consistent. You can't claim my pushes on Kaladin were a "mislynch attempt" while still pushing Kaladin as being my scum partner. That's not even trying.



Soup painted himself in a negative light. His push on me was so bad he almost got mislynched on the spot. That's no one's fault but his, to put it on me is garbage. Btw, it was Dietz who tried to get everyone to lynch Soup on the spot, not me, even though we had the exact same points. This is important because it shows how forced your attempt to pigeon hole me as scum is. You have to claim my Soup push was me attempting to force through a mislynch, but while I was voting him, Dietz was sitting over there going "everyone vote him now" and even tagging people to come do so. But of course, J has to ignore this because Dietz would fit the narrative better, but he can't see a Dietz mislynch.




This is in relation to his vote on me. As I have not voted Kaladin (I don't think anyone has) I haven't summarized any points against him but I'm just still in the asking questions stage, hence why I just asked him to respond again. You're really jumping the gun with this post and it comes off like an attempt to defend Kaladin which you don't even seem fully capable of doing, the best you're capable of is painting me as his scum partner and offering me first with the idea that my town-flip will clear Kaladin as you already hinted at. It's not even hidden.



J don't play dumb. Your play was being calculated null and we acknowledged it.



J you are really nervous about Kaladin, all I've done is ask questions and say he's not looking too good. That's it. Where's your "super confidence" coming from?



....

Me and Dietz had the exact same points, and Dietz was telling everyone to lynch Soup on the spot. Then both me and Dietz made posts to J explaining how Soup's push made no sense (it still doesn't), but J once again ignores Dietz to make up a fictional history where I'm strong-arming people into pushing Soup and actively scouring the thread to pick up votes on him while Dietz is sitting there like an angel. Notice a pattern?



So do you think I should be insta-lynched, then, if I'm scummiet then Kaladin while still being his partner and attempting to mislynch him because my Soup push failed, which also means that Kaladin jumped on his partner's slot immediately when Soup did, then I chose to point my scum partner as being the likeliest scum no matter which way Soup flipped, who has basically agreed with Dietz in everything but I've been less gung-ho about it, yet J suggests I'm being super aggressive in trying to get people mislynched when I haven't even led a single push on a single slot so far, and I'm scum with Kaladin who btw is also town.

J you can defend Kaladin in a better way then that.

You already said Kaladin being town makes it unlikely I'm scum yet you say Kaladin is being mislynched, by me, his scum partner.

Let me repeat that

You already said Kaladin being town makes it unlikely I'm scum yet you say Kaladin is being mislynched, by me, his scum partner.

J plz respond

 

[Maven89]

Holy cow Maven, you're such a broken record and you aren't even reading what else I am saying in my posts.

These "points" better be like damning or THAT important when I find them or I am not going to be happy.

And I haven't even posted a .gif this Day Phase so....lol

J I agree with you on one thing. Neither Dietz or Koopa are looking likely as Kaladin's scum partners.

You also came into this game with a complete garbage concept of me being Kaladin's scum partner that no one but (Soup) agreed with, people pointed out it made no sense, you never responded to this, you come back in the thread, repeat that you think I'm Kaladin's likeliest partner, then don't comment on anything people said related to you or this concept.

When I ask you to respond to those points you claim I'm tunneling.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well the only thing of note after your really bad push on Soup was that you turned on me the second I voted you. That does look a bit tunnely considering nearly every post afterwards you make sure to mention my slot (even to the point of countlessly pointing out that I wasn't here)

People said that did not 100% see where I was coming from sans Soup. People did not point out it didn't make sense so that is stretching the truth there to belittle what I pointed out. I also responded to quite a few other people's posts,but yours is a bit of a behemoth of misconstrued actions and cherry-picking that just gives me a slight headache every time I look at it because there is a reason no one else is buying what you are selling as well regarding your push to me. You are exaggerating your BIG CASE on me as if you had slammed dunked something when in reality, you just pointed out that I post in a stream of consciousness style that if you look closely lines up to me just being 100% honest with my mind and thoughts (Which TheKingofKoopas pointed out and can back up as well) So I'll respond, but after that I wonder what your next move will be.

The most damning thing you have against my slot is my prolonged inactivity which is 100% due to IRL shenanigans.

However, what makes you say Koopy doesn't look like Kaladin's partner, but Orbo could be? What is the difference of their play in terms of interactions with Kaladin that makes you say something like that?

 

[Maven89]

Well the only thing of note after your really bad push on Soup

Nah, our push on Soup was sound. It was Soup's play that was horrible.Like, so god awful many of us couldn't even believe he was town. I still can't believe Soup did that, and I saw him use an execute on a guy who was l-1 day 1 three hours from the deadline when 2 of his mafia partners hadn't voted yet. I still didn't think he'd do that. This is an entire side-point, but I disagree with you saying Soup shouldn't have roleclaimed, because I definitely would have supported lynching him.

was that you turned on me the second I voted you. That does look a bit tunnely considering nearly every post afterwards you make sure to mention my slot (even to the point of countlessly pointing out that I wasn't here)

Well I found your push on me to make zero logical sense, also we're in a mini game with 7 people so it's really not odd at all to keep mentioning one or two players in almost every post, I mean you've mentioned me in many of your posts

but yours is a bit of a behemoth of misconstrued actions and cherry-picking that just gives me a slight headache every time I look at it because there is a reason no one else is buying what you are selling as well regarding your push to me.

You should take that and apply it to your own push, btw. Only one who agreed was Soup who was already pushing me in the first place

You are exaggerating your BIG CASE on me as if you had slammed dunked something.

J if I believed I had a slum dunk on you don't you think I'd be voting you? Don't misinterpret my aggression. I've found you have a real habit of grandstanding and taking an outsider view on the game and rarely stepping down to get your hands dirty, I also found that hardcore aggression and constant nagging can get you to stop that and respond point by point to something people want clarification or reads on.

The most damning thing you have against my slot is my prolonged inactivity which is 100% due to IRL shenanigans.

Actually what I'm suspicious about is

1. How could you not understand the Soup push
2. How could you actually think I'm Kaladin's scum partner

I just mentioned I didn't like that you buggered out of the thread, I did miss your v/la post though, and it was thanksgiving, so I just want to make it clear that it's not inactivity and I'm not supporting that as a point against you.

However, what makes you say Koopy doesn't look like Kaladin's partner, but Orbo could be? What is the difference of their play in terms of interactions with Kaladin that makes you say something like that?

I just Koopa/Orbo's content after Soup claimed, and I concede the point. I was having Koopa as a pretty strong town lean, but re-reading through I'm not sure why. He actually had some weird play with Kaladin after it came out then made a post that largely ignored him to focus on other players. He's also one of the ones to never vote for him, whereas Orbo voted for Kaladin as soon as Kaladin attempted to make his big post.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hardcore aggression/nagging gets me to react in a very opposite way that is appealing so I tend to just ignore it nowadays.

1.) I never said I did not understand the Soup push. I said it was a bad push that neither side ended up looking good after. I can quote this because I did make mention of it earlier.
2.) I've explained why I think you are Kaladin's partner because you are independently scummy in of itself which equates to you being scum-partners with him. Orbo/Koopy haven't posted and Ditzy doesn't look scummy so PoE is there with Occam's. You've done very little to show me that you are town in my eyes.

I am trying to prove logic that you could be Kaladin's partner through very small means, but the fact at the end of the day is: You could be Kaladin's partner simply because I find you the scummiest and that's how you fit there. Trying to make connection cases off of very little leave people in the position that I find myself in, but the fact that my read was 50% right and now I just need the other 50% makes me look at you with an even bigger eye. Kaladin/Yourself were my two biggest scum-reads yesterDay so for now I am just following what looks right.

I mean, not to throw unnecessary WIFOM and Meta about, but why in the world would I hammer my scum-partner 3 minutes before deadline? Like I do not like bussing my team ( Orboknown and Jdietz43 can attest here considering he knows my game-plan as scum is to win early and keep everyone alive) and I never go out of my way to do things like that as scum. Revival Mafia and Jungle Republic are two grand examples of that. But the logic behind that is almost insanity level because it would be shooting myself in the foot especially when I had every right to just sit on my vote on you and feign ignorance and be like "Oh, I wasn't here, aw shucks guys."

 

[Orboknown]

Aight imma read threadnright quick while bloodbornes being shiesty

 

[Orboknown]

Vote: Maven.
He's mod confirmed scum

Vote: Kaladin

quickly now, before he has time to think

Vote: Maven89

Happy?

weird little exchange here where kaladin votes, then revotes right after maven goes eith it and votes back at kaladin. Sorta seems light distancing to me here.

 

[Orboknown]

...townslip or engineered scumslip?

dont think partner statement here (aka kaladin not saying this to his mate)

I think I've played with Kathrik but I don't think he made it past day 1 or 2

Is it stupid that I'm currently reading Kaladin's posts as, so far, the most townie? Not that he is townie because there really isn't enough to make that judgement, but as of right now I'm leaning most towards town on him.

Crazy wifom concept: CHP thought he made a real scum slip and replaced out immediately because he's scum.

Someone whose not J or Orbo or Dietz have a theory about that?

kaladin statement should make it obvious why this is quoted

 

[Jdietz43]

Hint hint: its time for tracker to claim. Everything else takes immediate second fiddle.

I want claims in the following order:

Koopa
Orboknown
J
Maven
Me

 

[Orboknown]

Hint hint: its time for tracker to claim. Everything else takes immediate second fiddle.

I want claims in the following order:

Koopa
Orboknown
J
Maven
Me

Im fine with this order