Just 'nother Mafia game | Game over, town wins

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I mean, L-1 isn't something to joke around. Pretty sure you would've put me into a spot where I had to claim. Glad we can move forward though regardless.

 

[#HBC | J]

My biggest question currently goes to Kaladin:

Why didn't you unvote after Soup's claim and why did you keep your vote on him even after his biggest pusher (maven) unvoted as well?

It makes very little sense from a town PoV to not believe Soup, but instead sit on "Well where's the CC?" because even Maven asked about it, but he unvoted.

I guess what I am asking is: What did you expect to happen? Did you actually think a CC would occur?

 

[Orboknown]

Okay that makes more sense. So what is your read on Ditzy currently with Soup's claim to be proven true now that everyone has posted?

Where do you see your vote wavering towards?

the town side of null, but not a full town lean.
if I had to vote right now its probably one of maven/kaladin/koops

 

[#HBC | J]

I mean, L-1 isn't something to joke around. Pretty sure you would've put me into a spot where I had to claim. Glad we can move forward though regardless.

I disagree actually, sitting at L-1 for a bit would not have been the worst thing and I think you over-reacted and knee-jerked your claim. We could have gotten a lot more information if you had waited. But that's just my $0.02 regarding it because if you thought someone was just gonna come in and hammer you out of nowhere then that is really silly.

I feel like it was more you are "stuck" and saw the easy way out, but regardless that is the past.

Who are you looking at? And since we can trust your opinions, what did you make of your wagoners (Ditzy/Maven/Kaladin) and what do you make of the people who abstained? (Myself/Orbo/Koopy)

 

[#HBC | J]

the town side of null, but not a full town lean.
if I had to vote right now its probably one of maven/kaladin/koops

Koopy is a new name. Let's talk about that because we seem to be on the same page regarding a lot of things so I am pretty content with him at the moment.

 

[Orboknown]

he just hasn't done much. not exactly the greatest point coming from me but theres not a lot outside the maven/dietz/soup circle jerk right now.

 

[Kaladin]

My biggest question currently goes to Kaladin:

Why didn't you unvote after Soup's claim and why did you keep your vote on him even after his biggest pusher (maven) unvoted as well?

It makes very little sense from a town PoV to not believe Soup, but instead sit on "Well where's the CC?" because even Maven asked about it, but he unvoted.

I guess what I am asking is: What did you expect to happen? Did you actually think a CC would occur?

...I did unvote?

 

[#HBC | J]

Kaladin : Not according to the most recent vote-count.

 

[Maven89]

...I did unvote?

You actually didn't

 

[Kaladin]

...No, I'm very sure I unvoted? Eh, whatever.

Unovte

 

[Maven89]

Kaladin why did you say you had points on me independent of Soup, then spend two days refusing to post it, only to post it to have it be commentary on Soup's points? Why did you tell me they were independent of him?

 

[Kaladin]

Kaladin why did you say you had points on me independent of Soup, then spend two days refusing to post it, only to post it to have it be commentary on Soup's points? Why did you tell me they were independent of him?

Excuse me? They had nothing to do with Soup. I think they're somewhere on page 4? Anyhow, I can't really play today, but someone make Orbo actually post something.

 

[Orboknown]

I started posting last night.
Im either going to crash or be running on sleep deprivation today so hit me with anything you want

 

[Orboknown]

This makes things easier. Maven89
-RVS jokes
-This I understand
-Bad trap
-This doesn't sit well with me. Koopa and myself were basically the same slot at that point in the game, but vibes are vibes.
-You seemed rather defensive here.

Idk, your play just doesn't sit right. But right now, Ketchup Water is much more scummy.

did you mean these points? Because 3 and 4 are the only solid points and those are pretty weak

 

[Maven89]

Excuse me? They had nothing to do with Soup. I think they're somewhere on page 4? Anyhow, I can't really play today, but someone make Orbo actually post something.

You can't even read them without Soup's post. Look at them

-RVS jokes
-This I understand
-Bad trap
-This doesn't sit well with me. Koopa and myself were basically the same slot at that point in the game, but vibes are vibes.
-You seemed rather defensive here.

What do you understand? Where do I seem defensive? How are these points? RVS jokes and a bad trap aren't scummy. You aapparently understand whatever the second point is, so that's not a point against me. The fourth point you yourself dismiss as "vibes are vibes", so that just leaves me being defensive in response to Soup's push. Which also isn't scummy, but let's pretend it is for a second. There's a problem with it.

I actually had similar thoughts on Maven I was about to post, so Vote: Maven

You said this before I even responded to Soup.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Here now.

If you're town then I'd be suspicious of J and Kaladin. Kaladin isn't looking too hot either way right now. I'm not going to expand on this until everyone has had a chance to counter.

Everyone has had the chance to counter. Do tell me why you think they're scum. I haven't let go of you completely quite yet.

I've been reading Maven as Town ever since the fallout of his "****garden" and especially for his reactions to Soup because they're exactly how I felt about all of his posts, and were created immediately upon Soup's entrance without hesitation. @can'tTagSoup if you want to go over if/why you think Maven is scummy I'd be okay with going back over it with a different mindset, but honestly everything I saw that you went over I felt was genuine, even if not correct. I honestly feel like we'd be wasting time if there wasn't anything more, but I would look at it if you had something new to say on the matter.

I don't like to dig up old bones. What I've said about Maven is there if you ever want to read it and contest what my thought process was. There's nothing to gain if I were to just continually repeat myself. I will say this though - I believe there's scum in Kaladin/Maven. Of course, given your perspective here, you're gonna side with Maven but how likely do you see Kaladin as scum? Be more specific about who you're looking at instead of throwing everyone in a pile.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Skimmed dietz vs soup
Dietz town if soup scum but not vice versa
Kaladin what side you leaning on?

I've been proven clear from the lack of counter-claim. Do you still stand by this?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But I have been listening.
I'll just go ahead and ask a few questions instead.
What kind of scum opportunities could Maven get out of his interactions with Kaladin, or his faulty trap?

A scum opportunity to look townie, but evidently, it fell back on him and he turned it into some weird test. Again, same answer I'm gonna give dietz here in that I won't dig up old bones, but instead, I want you to also tell me who you're looking at right now.

 

[Orboknown]

I've been proven clear from the lack of counter-claim. Do you still stand by this?

Uhhh
Yeah? It just means im worrying more about it in terms of the second statement than the first
Also which of the two (maven/Kaladin ) are you leaning towards being scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I disagree actually, sitting at L-1 for a bit would not have been the worst thing and I think you over-reacted and knee-jerked your claim. We could have gotten a lot more information if you had waited. But that's just my $0.02 regarding it because if you thought someone was just gonna come in and hammer you out of nowhere then that is really silly.

I feel like it was more you are "stuck" and saw the easy way out, but regardless that is the past.

Who are you looking at? And since we can trust your opinions, what did you make of your wagoners (Ditzy/Maven/Kaladin) and what do you make of the people who abstained? (Myself/Orbo/Koopy)

Yeah, maybe a bit kneejerk and I could've just waited it out, but I digress.

I'm looking at this game in a weird angle in which I can see two plausible teams but nothing I want to set in stone. I think that Maven/Kaladin's interactions are not partner-esque alone but I believe one of them to be scum. I was town-reading Kaladin a bit earlier but I can't deny that I disliked his hop on me the most, especially when earlier he liked my post in which I was grilling Maven for. There's also just something in my gut about Maven that I have tried to put into words, but it seemed to have fallen on deaf ears. That's basically where I am with those two.

The other side of this coin would be Orbo/Dietz, which I believe, again, is not partners. I haven't really been able to get much of a beat on Orbo other then he's being really vague so I'm giving him more of a chance to open up; I won't give him a free pass if he keeps playing like the way he is. Dietz is an odd case fo rme because I came into his pressure as 'okay, Dietz just has a really awful lead. I don't think he'd try and push me this hard as scum, and I was initially readaing CHP as town even if it was a bit shallow.' I've given that thought pause for now. Do you think Dietz would make the push he did as scum?

Then there's you and Koops. Koops is a weird position where he's sort of in the middle of all this, along with you. Koops posed a decent response about maven's scum opportunity, and furthermore, that's one I wasn't expecting. Again, this game feels weird to me because I'm feeling like Koops wouldn't openly defend his partner like that, unless you think I'm wrong for reading the game the way I am.

I'd have to say out of everyone here, you're the one whom I am observing the most in order to solidify a read.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Uhhh
Yeah? It just means im worrying more about it in terms of the second statement than the first
Also which of the two (maven/Kaladin ) are you leaning towards being scum?

Maven for now. Whom do you see is more likely?

 

[Orboknown]

Kaladin. Dislike his treatment towards maven (ironically goven this conversation) and think hes trying to flesh out points that arent really theres

 

[Maven89]

#HBC | J I don't think you've ever given a single read on another player?

 

[Jdietz43]

#HBC | J I don't think you've ever given a single read on another player?

I'll second this. There should be more than enough to work with now for some J opinions.

I don't like to dig up old bones. What I've said about Maven is there if you ever want to read it and contest what my thought process was. There's nothing to gain if I were to just continually repeat myself. I will say this though - I believe there's scum in Kaladin/Maven. Of course, given your perspective here, you're gonna side with Maven but how likely do you see Kaladin as scum? Be more specific about who you're looking at instead of throwing everyone in a pile.

That's fine, it's why I specifically said "If you have anything else" since the rest is already stated. As you guessed, I'd side against Kaladin there, but overall I would also hesitate the least to lynch Kaladin out of any player so far if the day ended here and now. I think there's still a lot left to be seen in the day though, I still don't have a great idea of where Orboknown and J stand at large.

 

[Jdietz43]

This makes things easier. Maven89
-RVS jokes
-This I understand
-Bad trap
-This doesn't sit well with me. Koopa and myself were basically the same slot at that point in the game, but vibes are vibes.
-You seemed rather defensive here.

Idk, your play just doesn't sit right. But right now, Ketchup Water is much more scummy.

Uh, I'm also going to request that you put that into complete sentences in your own words and NOT as the bullet point summary of someone else's bullet point summary of his play at large.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

This is gonna be a busy weekend as I got a bunch of homework and a trip to NYC. I'll be posting a bit on the ride there tomorrow but otherwise I'll probably be on for like 5 minutes every now and then.

 

[Orboknown]

Uh, I'm also going to request that you put that into complete sentences in your own words and NOT as the bullet point summary of someone else's bullet point summary of his play at large.

Soup

You


J


Maven/koops
Kaladin

 

[Maven89]

#HBC | J where you at

Kaladin where you at

TheKingofKoopas Who do you think is the scummieset out of those who voted Soup?

 

[#HBC | J]

Heya, sorry been rather busy lately. I can post some things now that I am here with ample time to post some thoughts.

 

[#HBC | J]

#HBC | J I don't think you've ever given a single read on another player?

I'll second this. There should be more than enough to work with now for some J opinions.

I'll quick hit this by quoting one of my past posts, but I have been giving reads an opinions when I am here. Saying I haven't given a single read on another player is way stretching that. Here's what I am talking about:

Okay, basic thoughts are actually I am kind of curious about watching Soup vs. Maven go further because I will say I am stuck on the fence with that because, meh. I just got through a game where Soup shot up like a billion red flags, but here they are barely peaking any scummy intent for me. Maven, I had subtle problems with in the beginning because of the weird stuff, but we talked about that and I will say that his answers sated me. That was mainly because they were logical though. The argument makes me feel meh about both sides and not really either is looking especially towny regarding it.

I'm also curious about Ditzy and Kaladin because Ditzy seems super sure about this soup read and it feels weird on how confident he is and then Kaladin likes Soup's post when he was just saying in larger form what he called earlier "just janky play". But now he unvoted soup over being defensive?

I actually would look more into the Ditzy/Kaladin duo because something reeks there and I am trying to put my finger on it.

Koopy and Orbo are still null since most of Orbo's posts have been "I can't be here so I'll post later" and Koopy is just null.

Someone start being towny please! This is actually becoming harder with the more posts that keep happening.

I mean, I say that I have no town reads, Orbo/Koopy are null and I am looking into the pile of Maven/Soup/Ditzy/Kaladin. That's pretty much where my head was at before the claim of Soup.

Maven, you haven't really been reading in-depth this game and I'll be honest with you: It's starting to worry me a tad.

 

[Kaladin]

#HBC | J where you at

Kaladin where you at

TheKingofKoopas Who do you think is the scummieset out of those who voted Soup?

Over here. I haven't read the thread at all since yesterday, I'll *hopefully* catch up tonight. Is there anything urgent/time sensitive you need me for?

 

[Kaladin]

Soup

You


J


Maven/koops
Kaladin

This amuses me.

 

[#HBC | J]

So when re-looking over the Soup exchange, I find myself not really seeing much of a dynamic switch in terms of reads. It almost feels like I am just picking Soup up out of the scum-pile and putting him into my town-pile where he resides by himself. If I were to use someone's read's list I would probably look like Orbo's but a tad different; Here's what I mean:

Soup



Ditzy

Koopy
Orbo


Maven/Kaladin

The reason I disliked Ditzy earlier is somewhat changing because I am feeling the intent behind his push on Soup to be a bit more towny then I was originally seeing and mainly it was due to his posts after Soup's claim. I see genuine attempt to find scum and I am actually glad Soup claimed and saved Ditzy in terms of my reads because I would be at fault if I did not admit that if Soup was lynched and did flip town, I would be hard pressed to push Ditzy over his almost over-zealous push onto Soup which seemed like scum jowls locked onto a victim at the beginning which I remember is something that helps me read Ditzy's intent (which usually is screwed over by Orbo's aloofness).

Koopy and Orbo is actually an interesting duo to me. They are playing pretty much the same game so far and I have been playing around with an idea in my head. If neither Maven nor Kaladin are scum and there was an alternate scum-team, I could actually see Koopy/Orbo as a team because they are lightly distancing from each other and they are also just coasting this entire game without really putting much forward. I have not seen anything entirely scummy and I don't disagree with a lot of what they are saying, but they are a duo that really needs to do more when they get the chance. The fact that they are both also claiming to not be able to post is also hurting my reads on them. Koopy was a town-lean earlier out of the two, but if I am to like Ditzy there is a bit of me that realizes that Koopy was just agreeing with my logical posts that anyone could honestly agree to. Plus I do get a little rose-colored glasses when someone begins town-reading me so early haha. Orbo is in a similar boat, but I don't get his Koopy insistence to be in the same pile of Maven/Kaladin. It seems forced and like "Oh yeah, don't forget Koopy" which is why I am starting to see that as a light distancing technique ( Jdietz43 could I get your opinion on this train of thought?). Everything he has been saying is entirely null which is frustrating yet understandable which makes it even more frustrating haha. This pile is something I want to play more with, but I literally cannot until they get into the thread and start doing things themselves.

Now let's move onto the more important reads where I feel the lynch is leaning towards which is one of Maven and Kaladin. Let me talk about Kaladin first because there is a common trend here that is beginning to worry me a bit. Kaladin to me has been suspicious for a while, however, he is literally EVERYONE's #1 scum-read at the current time. Not one person has come to the assistance of Kaladin and everyone believes him to be scummy. This almost makes me want to avoid it because it looks like a ML on a player that has the tendency to be lynched for his playstyle above anything else which I, myself, have done as scum to secure an easy ML when needed to. No one has explicitly stated why Kaladin is scummy though they have just been like "Oh yeah, and obvi scummy Kaladin over there" and that's what I noticed throughout my re-read. Everyone seems to be harping on the point that he isn't explaining his posts which is fair enough, but how is that scummy considering a lot of players are being vague? If you are to call Kaladin scummy on that, you have to call Orbo/Koopy on that as well.

That's just one side of the coin regarding Kaladin. During the entire Soup push, I would say Kaladin had the worst vote of the masses and it seemed really opportunistic scummy to be jumping on the wagon and putting at soup at L-1 for very little reason. Ever since then, he has gone off the radar in terms of posts. Without a re-read, I would actually just insta-lynch this slot based on his vote-post alone after Soup's claim. I would be remiss to do as such because now I am 50/50 on the slot. I would not cry if he were to be lynched because of these scenarios:

Kaladin lynch, flips town:
1.) I would probably look into Orbo/Koopy as a valid team.
2.) Maven leans less as scum, but still a possibility. (I just don't think so)

Kaladin lynch, flips mafia:
1.) I would probably gung-ho go after Maven as his partner.
2.) My Koopy/Orbo theory is a wash at this point. Orbo would be the placeholder slot if Maven did not flip scum.

The thing about Kaladin is that the only one that makes valid sense as his partner would be Maven, however, let's move onto Maven since this is a good segway point.

I think Maven has been more Actively Scummy whereas Kaladin has been Passively Scummy if you guys understand the point of view I am coming from. Whereas Kaladin has done a lot of just "derping" and not really posting, Maven when he does post seems to always start a new fire. The beginning of the game I will give BoTD(benefit of the doubt) to where that could be chalked up to be janky play *which is strange to see from Maven*, but the rest of his play this game has been painting Soup in a negative light. Then when his planned foiled he falls back onto what seems Kaladin (everyone's back-up) and Myself. His Kaladin push is a bit more weird because the point he is harping on is the fact that his bullet points do not really explain much which is...an odd qualm to call someone scummy for. Kaladin's vote? Grimy as hell. Yet, why hasn't he really mentioned that nor brought it up? He seems content and almost seems sure that Kaladin is scum. I don't get where this confidence comes from and it feels a little too sure of himself to come across as scum-hunting. And he throws me in the pile for no reason yet and to be honest there really is no reason because my play has been entirely null. *If I am being 100% honest, I am glad soup claimed and was a PR because I was feeling pretty high on the NK Hit-list*

Maven also just seems to be asking a lot of questions that go nowhere in the end and seem to just activity prod. Where has Maven been looking for town as well as scum? I feel his intent is to rather find a lynch rather then find scum and since his Soup push became a wash, he is now looking at Kaladin and I can see the bus angle and also the "well that's an easy ML over there!" angle as well. Maven also seems to be less perceptive then he has in previous games as a tad bit of meta to add to the reason I am seeing Maven as scum because Maven has been forgetting a lot of things and also seems to be not really looking in-depth to posts by people and just skimming the surface of what they are saying. That's actually one of the BIGGEST things I have that makes it look like his Kaladin push is janky because he is literally just looking at the surface of his "points" and saying "lol nope, u scum bro" and moving on with that like he has already pegged him. Almost like he did with Soup where he continued to harp on Soup for calling him scum and that is something that I know Maven does as scum is that he OMGUS' more often then not when he does when he is town. (My experience being Revival where we sat on each other all game haha) I honestly, feel that his SoupScum push was very knee-jerk and just trying to call his post fake and tried to get me to admit to it being as such with Ditzy and I was looking at it more from an unbiased PoV. I disliked his almost trying to arm-twist me into seeing Soup as clear scum when he wasn't looking as much better for his point of attack on Soup.

Maven lines up with my plausible theory of scum-teams and the more I type and discuss his slot the more I am becoming sold on him being scum and I am going to be putting my vote on him. If the rest of town feel like lynching Kaladin, that also has my blessing considering it helps my cause either way and I can see the angle of KaladinScum. I just feel more passionate about a Maven-lynch currently.

Vote: Maven89

Plus I am going to side with Soup because I do agree with his opinion that Maven leans more scummy then Kaladin where Kaladin has half of his actions being able to be thrown over to that pile of Silly vs. Scummy. But those are my thoughts at the time and what I feel confident in expressing.

 

[Orboknown]

Jesus christ J
Ill read that soon.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's not even that big though.

._.

 

[Orboknown]

Thats like
Six screen lengths on my phone

 

[Maven89]

Now let's move onto the more important reads where I feel the lynch is leaning towards which is one of Maven and Kaladin. Let me talk about Kaladin first because there is a common trend here that is beginning to worry me a bit. Kaladin to me has been suspicious for a while, however, he is literally EVERYONE's #1 scum-read at the current time. Not one person has come to the assistance of Kaladin and everyone believes him to be scummy. This almost makes me want to avoid it because it looks like a ML on a player that has the tendency to be lynched for his playstyle above anything else which I, myself, have done as scum to secure an easy ML when needed to. No one has explicitly stated why Kaladin is scummy though they have just been like "Oh yeah, and obvi scummy Kaladin over there" and that's what I noticed throughout my re-read. Everyone seems to be harping on the point that he isn't explaining his posts which is fair enough, but how is that scummy considering a lot of players are being vague? If you are to call Kaladin scummy on that, you have to call Orbo/Koopy on that as well..

That's just one side of the coin regarding Kaladin. During the entire Soup push, I would say Kaladin had the worst vote of the masses and it seemed really opportunistic scummy to be jumping on the wagon and putting at soup at L-1 for very little reason. Ever since then, he has gone off the radar in terms of posts. Without a re-read, I would actually just insta-lynch this slot based on his vote-post alone after Soup's claim. I would be remiss to do as such because now I am 50/50 on the slot. I would not cry if he were to be lynched because of these scenarios:

Well these paragraphs are contradictory. in the first you're claiming he has no defenders (you're defending him) and you think it's a mislynch, and at the same time you then claim everyone is harping on him for being "vague", but then in the second paragraph you actually acknowledge the real points on him and even say you wouldn't mind at all if he was lynched and that you'd want to "insta-lynch" the slot. Well, which one is it?

Also, to pretend no one has brought up the vote is just false. Here's a simple post on it

@Underlined: It's not a big mystery. I'll give you three guesses who I think Soup's most likely partner so far is here based on when and how Maven went from L-2 on Soup's vote to L-1 in Kaladins and where his read on Maven and Soup is currently wavering.

(But I'd like to keep that for D2 because I'm much more confident in Soup himself to start partnering him up for real)

Then I acknowledged it when I said Kaladin "wasn't looking good on either flip" for Soup. I don't know why you're acting like no one is aware of that vote, we all read the thread too and no one is even voting Kaladin yet, why would there be a giant "here is why he's scum" post if no one is even voting him yet?

Kaladin lynch, flips town:
1.) I would probably look into Orbo/Koopy as a valid team.
2.) Maven leans less as scum, but still a possibility. (I just don't think so)

Kaladin lynch, flips mafia:
1.) I would probably gung-ho go after Maven as his partner.
2.) My Koopy/Orbo theory is a wash at this point. Orbo would be the placeholder slot if Maven did not flip scum.

The thing about Kaladin is that the only one that makes valid sense as his partner would be Maven, however, let's move onto Maven since this is a good segway point.:

Going to point out that right here, you're pointing to me and Kaladin both being scum partners when your entire first part of your post was suggesting the Kaladin push was scum trying to get a mislynch, but halfway through the post you swap it to me and Kaladin being scum partners. This is also not consistent. You can't claim my pushes on Kaladin were a "mislynch attempt" while still pushing Kaladin as being my scum partner. That's not even trying.

I think Maven has been more Actively Scummy whereas Kaladin has been Passively Scummy if you guys understand the point of view I am coming from. Whereas Kaladin has done a lot of just "derping" and not really posting, Maven when he does post seems to always start a new fire. The beginning of the game I will give BoTD(benefit of the doubt) to where that could be chalked up to be janky play *which is strange to see from Maven*, but the rest of his play this game has been painting Soup in a negative light.

Soup painted himself in a negative light. His push on me was so bad he almost got mislynched on the spot. That's no one's fault but his, to put it on me is garbage. Btw, it was Dietz who tried to get everyone to lynch Soup on the spot, not me, even though we had the exact same points. This is important because it shows how forced your attempt to pigeon hole me as scum is. You have to claim my Soup push was me attempting to force through a mislynch, but while I was voting him, Dietz was sitting over there going "everyone vote him now" and even tagging people to come do so. But of course, J has to ignore this because Dietz would fit the narrative better, but he can't see a Dietz mislynch.

IThen when his planned foiled he falls back onto what seems Kaladin (everyone's back-up) and Myself. His Kaladin push is a bit more weird because the point he is harping on is the fact that his bullet points do not really explain much which is...an odd qualm to call someone scummy for.

Kaladin why did you say you had points on me independent of Soup, then spend two days refusing to post it, only to post it to have it be commentary on Soup's points? Why did you tell me they were independent of him?

This is in relation to his vote on me. As I have not voted Kaladin (I don't think anyone has) I haven't summarized any points against him but I'm just still in the asking questions stage, hence why I just asked him to respond again. You're really jumping the gun with this post and it comes off like an attempt to defend Kaladin which you don't even seem fully capable of doing, the best you're capable of is painting me as his scum partner and offering me first with the idea that my town-flip will clear Kaladin as you already hinted at. It's not even hidden.

Kaladin's vote? Grimy as hell. Yet, why hasn't he really mentioned that nor brought it up? He seems content and almost seems sure that Kaladin is scum. I don't get where this confidence comes from and it feels a little too sure of himself to come across as scum-hunting. And he throws me in the pile for no reason yet and to be honest there really is no reason because my play has been entirely null. *If I am being 100% honest, I am glad soup claimed and was a PR because I was feeling pretty high on the NK Hit-list*

J don't play dumb. Your play was being calculated null and we acknowledged it.

Maven also just seems to be asking a lot of questions that go nowhere in the end and seem to just activity prod. Where has Maven been looking for town as well as scum? I feel his intent is to rather find a lynch rather then find scum and since his Soup push became a wash, he is now looking at Kaladin and I can see the bus angle and also the "well that's an easy ML over there!" angle as well. Maven also seems to be less perceptive then he has in previous games as a tad bit of meta to add to the reason I am seeing Maven as scum because Maven has been forgetting a lot of things and also seems to be not really looking in-depth to posts by people and just skimming the surface of what they are saying. That's actually one of the BIGGEST things I have that makes it look like his Kaladin push is janky because he is literally just looking at the surface of his "points" and saying "lol nope, u scum bro" and moving on with that like he has already pegged him.

J you are really nervous about Kaladin, all I've done is ask questions and say he's not looking too good. That's it. Where's your "super confidence" coming from?

Almost like he did with Soup where he continued to harp on Soup for calling him scum and that is something that I know Maven does as scum is that he OMGUS' more often then not when he does when he is town. (My experience being Revival where we sat on each other all game haha) I honestly, feel that his SoupScum push was very knee-jerk and just trying to call his post fake and tried to get me to admit to it being as such with Ditzy and I was looking at it more from an unbiased PoV. I disliked his almost trying to arm-twist me into seeing Soup as clear scum when he wasn't looking as much better for his point of attack on Soup.

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Me and Dietz had the exact same points, and Dietz was telling everyone to lynch Soup on the spot. Then both me and Dietz made posts to J explaining how Soup's push made no sense (it still doesn't), but J once again ignores Dietz to make up a fictional history where I'm strong-arming people into pushing Soup and actively scouring the thread to pick up votes on him while Dietz is sitting there like an angel. Notice a pattern?

Maven lines up with my plausible theory of scum-teams and the more I type and discuss his slot the more I am becoming sold on him being scum and I am going to be putting my vote on him. If the rest of town feel like lynching Kaladin, that also has my blessing considering it helps my cause either way and I can see the angle of KaladinScum. I just feel more passionate about a Maven-lynch currently.

Vote: Maven89

Plus I am going to side with Soup because I do agree with his opinion that Maven leans more scummy then Kaladin where Kaladin has half of his actions being able to be thrown over to that pile of Silly vs. Scummy. But those are my thoughts at the time and what I feel confident in expressing.

So do you think I should be insta-lynched, then, if I'm scummiet then Kaladin while still being his partner and attempting to mislynch him because my Soup push failed, which also means that Kaladin jumped on his partner's slot immediately when Soup did, then I chose to point my scum partner as being the likeliest scum no matter which way Soup flipped, who has basically agreed with Dietz in everything but I've been less gung-ho about it, yet J suggests I'm being super aggressive in trying to get people mislynched when I haven't even led a single push on a single slot so far, and I'm scum with Kaladin who btw is also town.

J you can defend Kaladin in a better way then that.

You already said Kaladin being town makes it unlikely I'm scum yet you say Kaladin is being mislynched, by me, his scum partner.

Let me repeat that

You already said Kaladin being town makes it unlikely I'm scum yet you say Kaladin is being mislynched, by me, his scum partner.

J plz respond

 

[#HBC | J]

Maven, you're twisting my words really hard in that above counter. I'll correct the fallacies when tomorrow since I am ushering then going for drinks with the boyfriend, so I'll hitcha up then.

I'm not defending Kaladin at all? I'm playing devil's advocate if anything, but at the same time I said I am 100% okay with his lynch. How is that defending him?

That's just a little bit of the stretching and not reading as in-depth. You really cherry-picked my post for what you could use, which is very fair if you are scum because it's going to be the tactic you have to use to make my push on you less credibly so I don't fault you there, but I'm now pretty dead certain on you being scum just based on your response.

 

[Kaladin]

Now this? This is interesting. I was in the process of rereading preparing to write a wall when Maven responded. However, before I post, I'd like to see this play out, at least as far as it will in the span of tonight -- does anyone else have comments on the above exchange?

 

[#HBC | J]

Here, I have an interesting angle to play this at which should settle a bit of Maven's push on me:

Kaladin, do you feel I am defending you/have been in my posts as of late?