Just 'nother Mafia game | Game over, town wins

[Kaladin]

^This is a game of mafia. The object of the game, Soup, is to determine who is scum then lynch them. Conventional wisdom would suggest that in order to properly locate scum, one must acknowledge, address, and discuss concerns brought by other individuals participating in said game.

Your points stink and come from either a lack of proper reading or bad assumptions. You can yell at me blue in the face how I'm ignoring your points but I could very well do the same too. That gets us nowhere, and I'll be honest? I don't really care about your points.

LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU! Is not an acceptable defense, nor is it persuant to the goal of scumhunting. The above post has two components: a refusal to defend oneself from meritorious claims, and a back-pedalling/backing off of a supposedly strong read. Honestly, Soup, this play is closer to ketchup water than a bisque.

Vote: Soup.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You don't see anything wrong. I get that. That's why I've been talking about what I see wrong. I think I've told two people now but instead of saying 'no you're wrong' you could at least talk about what I've put up about Maven and go from there. This is not helping me if you continue to pester me without actually looking at what I'm saying. It's quite frustrating actually.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi i'm the Jailer unvote por favor

 

[Maven89]

I'm going to be honest, I don't know what AtE stands for.

Going through them right now x)

 

[Kaladin]

-Joked in RVS about confusing Kaladin and quickly killing him before he has time to think about it.
-Told J he wants glistening man-meat out of the game.
-Said he finds Kaladin the most of a town lean, but at the same time saying there isn't enough to say about it, so null.
-Made a trap trying to get newbie's reactions on a WIFOM post, failed miserably.
-Explained why Kaladin over me, which in a sense was just saying vibes, because Jdietz asked him to elaborate.
-Explained over and over again about the poor trap.

This makes things easier. Maven89
-RVS jokes
-This I understand
-Bad trap
-This doesn't sit well with me. Koopa and myself were basically the same slot at that point in the game, but vibes are vibes.
-You seemed rather defensive here.

Idk, your play just doesn't sit right. But right now, Ketchup Water is much more scummy.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

^This is a game of mafia. The object of the game, Soup, is to determine who is scum then lynch them. Conventional wisdom would suggest that in order to properly locate scum, one must acknowledge, address, and discuss concerns brought by other individuals participating in said game.


LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU! Is not an acceptable defense, nor is it persuant to the goal of scumhunting. The above post has two components: a refusal to defend oneself from meritorious claims, and a back-pedalling/backing off of a supposedly strong read. Honestly, Soup, this play is closer to ketchup water than a bisque.

Vote: Soup.

Uh...what do you think I've been doing this whole phase? Trying to determine who is scum and lynch them. ..What do you think I've been doing? I've acknowledged everything said to me and responded to it appropriately.

No. It's not that I can't hear him, it's that he's wrong, and I told him why I think that. I told him why his points were bad therefore I was not responding to them.

This is pretty sad that I had to claim.

 

[Kaladin]

Any counterclaims?

 

[Maven89]

unvote: Soup

let's see if there's a counter

 

[Kaladin]

Uh...what do you think I've been doing this whole phase? Trying to determine who is scum and lynch them. ..What do you think I've been doing? I've acknowledged everything said to me and responded to it appropriately.

No. It's not that I can't hear him, it's that he's wrong, and I told him why I think that. I told him why his points were bad therefore I was not responding to them.

This is pretty sad that I had to claim.

No, your entire last post was essentially "you're wrong. I don't have to dignify it with a response. Lets move on. And also maven is town."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You don't see anything wrong. I get that. That's why I've been talking about what I see wrong. I think I've told two people now but instead of saying 'no you're wrong' you could at least talk about what I've put up about Maven and go from there. This is not helping me if you continue to pester me without actually looking at what I'm saying. It's quite frustrating actually.

This post is at TTK btw

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, your entire last post was essentially "you're wrong. I don't have to dignify it with a response. Lets move on. And also maven is town."

Maven is town? When did I say that? I don't think Maven is town at all.

I did dignify it with a response? Did you not read what I said? Was my post to dietz not a response as to why he said to me?

 

[Kaladin]

. I just think you're being silly albeit townie

town? When did I say that?

 

[Maven89]

...that was to dietz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That was to Dietz....please read...what people say....properly....

 

[Kaladin]

...that was to dietz

Oh. Whoops. Ignore that then, but I still strongly dislike the handwavey nature of the post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Maven89

In the event that I am real, who is scum? Are there any scum who are voting me right now?

 

[Kaladin]

I'm gonna reread the previous two pages. Be right back.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh. Whoops. Ignore that then, but I still strongly dislike the handwavey nature of the post.

I'm sorry you dislike it and we don't play the same. That's pretty much what this is even if we put it in laymen's terms.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Maven [1] - soup
soup [2] - Dietz, Kaladin
Dietz [1] - Orbo

Not voting: J, Maven, KingofKoopas
Takes 4/7 to lynch

 

[Orboknown]

Uhhh what
Unvote

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

You don't see anything wrong. I get that. That's why I've been talking about what I see wrong. I think I've told two people now but instead of saying 'no you're wrong' you could at least talk about what I've put up about Maven and go from there. This is not helping me if you continue to pester me without actually looking at what I'm saying. It's quite frustrating actually.

But I have been listening.
I'll just go ahead and ask a few questions instead.
What kind of scum opportunities could Maven get out of his interactions with Kaladin, or his faulty trap?

 

[Maven89]

Maven89

In the event that I am real, who is scum? Are there any scum who are voting me right now?

If you're town then I'd be suspicious of J and Kaladin. Kaladin isn't looking too hot either way right now. I'm not going to expand on this until everyone has had a chance to counter.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Hi i'm the Jailer unvote por favor

Jdietz43 #HBC | J
This is p important right now.

 

[#HBC | J]

Not the jailer.

But wow this is a "whomp whomp" moment that the jailer is already out of the game. But at least it was Soup claiming it because that helps in terms of having a scummy slot "flip" so to speak because now there are connections to draw. I'll be re-reading today-ish then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah, it's pretty unfortunate. Didn't want to claim really but I saw kaladin put me at L-1 and I was certain that Dietz wouldn't stop gunning for me regardless.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

welp

Kaladin you still owe me those points

Kaladin you still owe Maven those points.

 

[Orboknown]

Skimmed dietz vs soup
Dietz town if soup scum but not vice versa
Kaladin what side you leaning on?

 

[Kaladin]

Skimmed dietz vs soup
Dietz town if soup scum but not vice versa
Kaladin what side you leaning on?

I'd lean toward soupscum, but if there isn't a counterclaim...

 

[Kaladin]

welp

Kaladin you still owe Maven those points.

I posted them.

Also toDay is really important -- if we screw up, scum are 2/3rds of the vote toMorrow.

 

[Maven89]

Skimmed dietz vs soup
Dietz town if soup scum but not vice versa
Kaladin what side you leaning on?

Why can't you see both as town?

 

[Maven89]

This makes things easier. Maven89
-RVS jokes
-This I understand
-Bad trap
-This doesn't sit well with me. Koopa and myself were basically the same slot at that point in the game, but vibes are vibes.
-You seemed rather defensive here.

Idk, your play just doesn't sit right. But right now, Ketchup Water is much more scummy.

You said it'd be independent of Soup but this is really just you commenting on Soup's claims. Was this the post you meant?

 

[Jdietz43]

Unvote

This is pretty sad that I had to claim.

Sorry bro, I'd say you were one good exchange away from reaching a better understanding, but that's probably a lie. I'd have unvoted if I had come back before Kaladins vote, but I don't blame you at all for feeling pressured, that was kind of the point of my push.

 

[Jdietz43]

... I don't think I would've taken "I don't want to respond to the other points" very well in the long run though :\

 

[Orboknown]

Why can't you see both as town?

I can?i literally said that if soup was town I can see dietz being town. I also said dietz was town if soup was scum. just that dietz wasn't guaranteed scum if soup slipped town.

 

[Orboknown]

flipped town*

 

[#HBC | J]

Orbo, why can't you see Ditzy as scum with a Soup town? Just, I'm curious about how you worded that.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then I said J's avatar is making me sexually confused.

Re-reading, but this is going into the signature bank.

 

[Orboknown]

I more so meant dietz wasn't guaranteed scu if soup flipped town, whereas if soup flipped scum I couldn't see dietz as scum with him

 

[#HBC | J]

Okay that makes more sense. So what is your read on Ditzy currently with Soup's claim to be proven true now that everyone has posted?

Where do you see your vote wavering towards?

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright, well with Soup's alignment settled here's how I see things:

I've been reading Maven as Town ever since the fallout of his "****garden" and especially for his reactions to Soup because they're exactly how I felt about all of his posts, and were created immediately upon Soup's entrance without hesitation. @can'tTagSoup if you want to go over if/why you think Maven is scummy I'd be okay with going back over it with a different mindset, but honestly everything I saw that you went over I felt was genuine, even if not correct. I honestly feel like we'd be wasting time if there wasn't anything more, but I would look at it if you had something new to say on the matter.

That leaves Kaladin/Orboknown/J/and Koopa, of which I'm going to mostly hand thread to for the evening so there's content to discuss.

I'm here for questions if anyone has some.