Janon social thread : Lair of the Floating Back Slapping Missile Reflecting King of Evil

[| Kailex |]

Successful reads combos, and warlock punch one hit combo i guess

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

I'm a big fan of aerial Flame Choke into a grab on floaties. Then you Dthrow into, well, just about anything.

Also, dair -> dair -> tech chase FC or WK. Easy 60% damage, more if you continue after a Flame Choke.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'm a big fan of aerial Flame Choke into a grab on floaties. Then you Dthrow into, well, just about anything.

Also, dair -> dair -> tech chase FC or WK. Easy 60% damage, more if you continue after a Flame Choke.

Yknow, speaking of that, any consensus so far on Ganon as a CP to Mewtwo for easy flame choke predicts on his levitate?

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

What easy reads does levitate give you?

I'm probably misunderstanding you, but levitate, to me, sounds like it would only serve to make prediction harder for Ganondorf. At its core, it's a movement/recovery mixup they can use to make it more difficult to know how to react.

I feel like I'm misunderstanding...

 

[Banjodorf]

I mean maybe I'm just flapping my gums at something untested. For a second my brain translated levitate as slow and predictable, although before posting I went to watch some stream vids to check, and the Levitate -> Nair seems like it could check F-Choke pretty hard.

Never mind!

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Man, the Mewtwo matchup is going to be fun. So much of it is going to be hard reads on teleport, difficult edgeguarding, and spacing to avoid that damn tail. It's going to be a battle of wits we can only win with our fists. I can't wait.

 

[Yanoss1313]

So let's start a new discussion : what are your favorite Ganon combo(s) ?
I've found out one on medium/fast fallers that looks and feels pretty awesome : air wizkick shockwave to ground wizkick, also known as the HUAA to HUAA.

hmm, that's a toughy, barring all the standard gannon stuff, i really do like the Air flame choke to U-tilt on fast fallers, (seems to kill at like 50%)

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

so i've heard its not a tail...

 

[Yanoss1313]

so i've heard its not a tail...

@.@

 

[Urielhelix]

I like air flame choke into wiz KICK!

Something about choke slaming and then giving them the BOOT!!!

 

[teluoborg]

Yeah comboing out of air Flame Choke is so easy it's almost not funny. Anyone got something more original ?

I did something like jab to dash attack to grab the other day, it felt pretty manly. The weak hit of dash attack puts the opponent in an awful position at early-mid percents, I'm sure there's more to awesome things to do with it.

 

[Urielhelix]

well if its getting crazy, i can't pull it off everytime (due to bad timing)

Nair-> D grab -> Fair-> air Flame Choke of the map!

 

[Fortress]

Dash attack is considered weak? I was sent into low-orbit by it at, like, fifty.

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Dash attack is considered weak? I was sent into low-orbit by it at, like, fifty.

The dash attack isn't weak. I believe it just has a weak hit and a strong hit depending on timing/spacing/stuff.

 

[Fortress]

depending on timing/spacing/stuff.

Like, if, Ganondorf is on the stage when you are, and you're in the same game as him kind of timing?

I ****ing love Ganondorf.

Also, get on Facebook and read my messages already. Tales of last night's smashapolooza.

 

[Yanoss1313]

hmm, something that often gets results for me is Air Flame choke to jab(or dash attack depending on the situation) to Dacus. Not guarantee'd by any means, but when it works, you often get both Usmash hits... so sexy

 

[DarkStarStorm]

Anyone else upset that the Fight of Ganon is gone?

 

[Yanoss1313]

Anyone else upset that the Fight of Ganon is gone?

since i'm not sure what you're referring to by "the Fight of Ganon"... i guess my answer is no. *shrugs* iunno

 

[DahremRuhar]

Anyone else upset that the Fight of Ganon is gone?

I loved the FoG, but I'll trade it any day for the 'Dorf's new U-tilt. Love that move.

Quick question, any news on Ganon's changes for 3.0? Besides the potential new choke trajectory?

 

[| Kailex |]

The aesthetic change for fair and dair; most recent dorf vid from 3.0 didnt show anything new

 

[CardiganBoy]

All i want is his "Earthquake Punch" from OoT instead of his Warlock Punch, when pressing B being in the ground of course.

 

[Yanoss1313]

All i want is his "Earthquake Punch" from OoT instead of his Warlock Punch, when pressing B being in the ground of course.

yeah, that'd be kinda cool

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

was there any ganon gameplay on the 3.0 preview streams? i remember asking nicely in jolte0ns stream at the end of every match for a good hour to show ganon... but everytime i got a good dose of t link lucas and mother****in snake

 

[CardiganBoy]

was there any ganon gameplay on the 3.0 preview streams? i remember asking nicely in jolte0ns stream at the end of every match for a good hour to show ganon... but everytime i got a good dose of t link lucas and mother****in snake

They did show Ganondorf and i saw his Brawl dair animation, but tweaked (i believe) to look better, also i saw his brawl fair, wich i think it doesn't look bad, but the Melee animation looks better imo.

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

i meant if they changed his awful WP into something, anything viable.
but thanks

 

[| Kailex |]

Uhm, SOJ uploaded a vid, only changes were fair and dair, wp was kept; but still, we must have hope

 

[teluoborg]

It's been said that the Fair and Dair animations are originals made by the pmbr, so they're not copies from Brawl.
I'll definitely miss THE PUNCH but I'm gonna wait until I play it before saying anything more.

 

[Yanoss1313]

aw... i'm gonna miss THE PUNCH.

 

[Ginge]

In the Clone Engine Character thread, one of the top ideas is to put a different skin over the current Ganon move set and giving Ganon a fresh move set that's more true to form with the series. So I have a question for Ganon users here:
- Would you be opposed to this idea?
- Is the fun of playing this character the moves themselves or that it is Ganondorf?
- Do you want him to be less of a spun off clone of C. Falcon and have attacks more akin to how he appears in Zelda games?

 

[teluoborg]

1-Why is Ganon being a clone of Falcon a bad thing ?
2-Where will you find the ressources (in time, ideas and capacities) to make a whole new moveset for new Ganon ?
3-Why are people in the clone engine thread so entitled ?

With this being said, I've tested 3.0 Ganon in a few games.
-New Fair still feels good, it's definitely not as clunky as its Brawl counterpart. I'd even say that it's as good as Melee, animation wise.
-17% Wizkick is the bomb, especially when B reversed from a dash dance. No one can stop the Ganon pain train now.
-I feel like aerial wizkick has a longer cooldown ? IDK, maybe it's just me but I feel like I have to wait forever before doing my second jump now.
-Dthrow > Usmash on Ivy is much more percent dependant. I think you have to grab before 70% or the Usmash won't connect because Ivy goes too far now.
-Nothing else much, Mewtwo is a blastto play but I suck with him. Roy matchup seems easy but it's way too early to confirm it.

 

[Ginge]

It was an idea I saw brought up over there and I figured it would be worth getting the opinion of Ganon players who might not have seen that discussion going on. I enjoy playing 3.0 Ganon either way.

 

[teluoborg]

Nothing against you, sorry. It's just that you're the third person to talk about the exact same thing in a third different thread.

 

[Ginge]

I'm sorry, didn't know there was another discussion for it out there. I figured the social thread would be the place to ask ^^;;

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Reversible Wiz Kick OP.

Ganon top tier.

Black Shadow can't handle the powah.

 

[Yanoss1313]

In the Clone Engine Character thread, one of the top ideas is to put a different skin over the current Ganon move set and giving Ganon a fresh move set that's more true to form with the series. So I have a question for Ganon users here:
- Would you be opposed to this idea?
- Is the fun of playing this character the moves themselves or that it is Ganondorf?
- Do you want him to be less of a spun off clone of C. Falcon and have attacks more akin to how he appears in Zelda games?

NO!!!!! a million times no, once again, HUUUULK SMAAAYYYAAASSSHHHH!!!!!!!

 

[Ginge]

NO!!!!! a million times no, once again, HUUUULK SMAAAYYYAAASSSHHHH!!!!!!!

Alright. Point taken.

 

[Yanoss1313]

Alright. Point taken.

lol, sorry, i didn't mean to come off like a tool, it's just that we had a big long annoying thread about it last week

 

[Ginge]

lol, sorry, i didn't mean to come off like a tool, it's just that we had a big long annoying thread about it last week

It's all good. The thing is, I've never played the Zelda games. So while I enjoy this moveset tremendously, I'm not particularly attached to it having to stay Ganondorf. Which is why I was curious what other Ganon players thought. And I didn't see the thread in question when I scanned the thread titles.

I'm gonna go back to slamming people's faces into the ground in purple flames of glory now. Then probably sleep. Since it somehow got to be 4am.... Project M and its weird timeshifting capabilities...

 

[Yanoss1313]

It's all good. The thing is, I've never played the Zelda games. So while I enjoy this moveset tremendously, I'm not particularly attached to it having to stay Ganondorf. Which is why I was curious what other Ganon players thought. And I didn't see the thread in question when I scanned the thread titles.

I'm gonna go back to slamming people's faces into the ground in purple flames of glory now. Then probably sleep. Since it somehow got to be 4am.... Project M and its weird timeshifting capabilities...

lol, it's almost like dragonball z in that way

 

[Ginge]

lol, it's almost like dragonball z in that way

Except in reverse. DBZ makes 5 minutes take 20 hours to show us. While Project M makes 20 hours feel like 5 minutes.

So clearly, we should watch DBZ and play Project M at the same. So that time flows normally.