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Smash Apprentice
Yea I could probably make that work, but I get off work in nine minutes and wont have access to photoshop until Wednesday
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Janon social thread : Lair of the Floating Back Slapping Missile Reflecting King of Evil
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you know, the syrup behind the pancakes makes me think it's his cape.
the same way you old ganon'd, except you float.
Hey guys.
I think when Fox is at about 80-100 percent, Ganon can downthrow him and, with a proper read and his DI, you can f-smash him and KO him.
I tried only on lvl 9 Foxes, but if he went behind Ganon at these percents during the downthrow, you're able to hit him with an F-Smash before he touches the ground. I think. Someone test if ya can.
Either way, if you catch someone not doing their techs, you can do this to alot of fast fallers
I think when Fox is at about 80-100 percent, Ganon can downthrow him and, with a proper read and his DI, you can f-smash him and KO him.
I tried only on lvl 9 Foxes, but if he went behind Ganon at these percents during the downthrow, you're able to hit him with an F-Smash before he touches the ground. I think. Someone test if ya can.
Either way, if you catch someone not doing their techs, you can do this to alot of fast fallers
headcrab has a recent vid of him against a roy where he dthrow-fsmashed and killed him at something absurd (like, 60%) on warioware, so that's probably pretty legit : o
Electric Tuba
Smash Journeyman
I will try this because it sounds sweet.
In related news, from like 50-90 or something, you can up throw > up smash fox as well. This will kill around 80-90 on small stages, but I don't know if it'd be better than fsmash as seen above. Also less effective on, say, dreamland.
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
I don't know what DI probably escapes it, but dthrow to uptilt can work sometimes on fastfallers. Somebody more motivated than me should test it out
looking into the hitbox data thread:I will try this because it sounds sweet.
In related news, from like 50-90 or something, you can up throw > up smash fox as well. This will kill around 80-90 on small stages, but I don't know if it'd be better than fsmash as seen above. Also less effective on, say, dreamland.
upangled fsmash:
24%
65 degree launch
bkb: 40
kbg: 85
usmash (2nd hit)
19%
90 degree launch
bkb: 40
kbg: 80
fsmash has higher damage (so more bkb due to that), the same bkb (so damage makes it win) and a higher kbg (normal fsmash has lower damage and lower kb angle, but higher growth). so, upfsmash should kill before usmash, outside of really really tight di to the corner (might actually be legit negligible).
Super_Primid
Smash Apprentice
Something i really need answered is:
if Ganondorf is knocked away, can he do a B REVERSED (when you press b then back) hover to completely reverse his momentum. If this is possible, Ganon may just be immortal.
if Ganondorf is knocked away, can he do a B REVERSED (when you press b then back) hover to completely reverse his momentum. If this is possible, Ganon may just be immortal.
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i don't know, but that thought actually legit crossed my mind. i just can't think of a proper way to set up an experiment and then perform the tech consistently enough to test.
Just go into training mode, spawn a bob-omb and blow it up at your feet.
yeah, but you can't have it outright kill you. you need to set your damage just right so that you can recover out of hitstun, while still having a high enough velocity. then you need to know how long you're in hitstun, then perform the wavebounce out of the hitstun, while still flying away at a high enough velocity to see the results.
this starts to get complicated fast once you factor in that you can't just use training mode, as the pause-frame advance doesn't work very well there, so then you need to find a character that has a suitable move (doesn't launch too high, is just powerful enough for you to work in proper di, then i don't even know how you're supposed to input actions while frame advancing, though, i assume it's possible).
this starts to get complicated fast once you factor in that you can't just use training mode, as the pause-frame advance doesn't work very well there, so then you need to find a character that has a suitable move (doesn't launch too high, is just powerful enough for you to work in proper di, then i don't even know how you're supposed to input actions while frame advancing, though, i assume it's possible).
That's an interesting theory. After I initally looked at it, I thought it was impossible, but who knows? If it does work, it would be extremely situational. Never as a Ganon have I found the time to do anything in hitstun except for offstage, and that was recover
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Smash Apprentice
^^couldn't you just do this in training room and avoid those issues?
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Choice Scarf
Smash Journeyman
Hi Ganon mains! I've been working on a character overview guide thing based on a survey I posted a while ago and had finished up on Ganon, There is a part (see here) that I was confused about though and was wondering if you guys could help.
One of the questions I had asked for was about general weaknesses of the character, and someone simply listed "techs". I want to say the submitter meant landing out of tumble type techs, but it could possibly mean poor unique ATs or perhaps low technical skill (which I don't think is true but I could be wrong).
So I guess my question is: Do you consider Ganon's landing techs a weakness?
One of the questions I had asked for was about general weaknesses of the character, and someone simply listed "techs". I want to say the submitter meant landing out of tumble type techs, but it could possibly mean poor unique ATs or perhaps low technical skill (which I don't think is true but I could be wrong).
So I guess my question is: Do you consider Ganon's landing techs a weakness?
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
shift your momentum with hover, i think it might work. a friend of mine tried something similar in brawl using bowser, he gets launched by a smash attack at a high percent then do a b-reversed flamethrower to completely shift his momentum; but thats brawl where hitstun is non existent
Hungry Headcrab
Smash Ace
Ganon's tech rolls are fine. Not sure what that guy was trying to say. Maybe he was saying that Ganon lacks advanced tech? I don't know.
Choice Scarf
Smash Journeyman
In that case I'll just remove it. Arigatou
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
Ganon actually has a really long tech roll
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
I havent noticed how bad falcon's tech roll is until I started a chain of grounded flame choke based on reaction, I feel bad for falcon mains.
Electric Tuba
Smash Journeyman
Bowser's is also pretty atrocious just because of how long it takes. If you've got somebody like MK or Fox chasing you, they can just spend the first hour of the roll looking which direction you go then spend the second two hours running after you to grab you again
You got a laugh outta me at 6:43 thank youthey can just spend the first hour of the roll looking which direction you go then spend the second two hours running after you to grab you again
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
I'm a Link main (a Dark Link main to be more precise), and I'm looking to have Ganon as one of 3 of my main secondaries. I'm pretty fond of him since I'm a huge Zelda fan and he seems like a very interesting character in this game. Especially now with the new tools he's gotten. So can anyone help me out on how to get better with him? I have a bit of experience with him already so don't hold back. Thanks.
Super_Primid
Smash Apprentice
Ganon, in a whole, IS mind games. He then is a side of mind games and tech chases with punishes as a side. Ganon has a lot of fundamentals at his side. As much time as it may take to learn, Ganon is not easy. Understand these and he can be an amazing secondary.
DarkDeity15
Smash Lord
Thanks. Any B&B combos and other stuff I should know about?
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
That last one is very effective on scrubs.
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Coastward
Smash Lord
if i end up going, tight with money now that im going to sweet prologue.
Coastward
Smash Lord
****ing youtube celebrity over here.
Mywhy
Smash Cadet
Anyone experimented with something called "Boost Pivot Grabbing"? Basically while in dash or run animation you can hit the control stick the opposite direction and also hit the c-stick down+z(Similar to DACUS timing, much more strict). It takes you pivot grab, makes it as fast as a perfect pivot grab and also makes you slide about wavedash distance. I cannot record but I've been searching for useful ways to use this. I'm looking to make Ganon way more technical then he currently is.
Also, since 3.5 I've noticed many more footstool combos. Down-throw>footstool>dair is guaranteed at some percents otherwise you can follow up their DI. Really useful for fast fallers. Also Dair>footstool>dair is becoming much more prominent in my gameplay. I have some reels on Twitch I might dig through to show you guys some footstool jank.
Also, since 3.5 I've noticed many more footstool combos. Down-throw>footstool>dair is guaranteed at some percents otherwise you can follow up their DI. Really useful for fast fallers. Also Dair>footstool>dair is becoming much more prominent in my gameplay. I have some reels on Twitch I might dig through to show you guys some footstool jank.
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| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
Ganon's boost pivot grab has a decent amount of distance
Coastward
Smash Lord
so ends up im gonna be going to the monthly, i havent touched this game in a long ass time holy ****.
do any of you guys try to use ledge cancelled down-b in your play? it seems it can be good for mixups and possible setups but im not too sure as of yet. ive seen bidoof do it a ton.
do any of you guys try to use ledge cancelled down-b in your play? it seems it can be good for mixups and possible setups but im not too sure as of yet. ive seen bidoof do it a ton.
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
Edge cancelled wizkicks are mostly just for flash which is why you see bidoof do it a ton lol
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
I do it mostly when im grabbing a ledge