Ivysaur Tactical Discussion

[Ingoro]

As far as I know, there aren't any videos. The use is tricking your opponent into getting a perfect hit Rocksmash or in Ivy's case Bulletseed. if you wavebounce the move, you make a chance in the direction your going let's say I jump slight right, now I wavebounce bullet seed left, you see a quick animation with the bs being performed in the left direction. I'm sorry if this isn't superclear, I find it hard to explain

 

[Geenareeno]

Yeah i learned what wavebounces were and their applications, i just don't know how to wavebounce a neutral B without B-sticking.

 

[deepseadiva]

How do you wavebounce a neutral b with bstick?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

How do you wavebounce a neutral b with bstick?

I -think- it's a 45-degree angle on the stick, but I'm not sure.

 

[Geenareeno]

Yeah if you're moving right you would put it at a slight angle to the back and up. Wavebounced flamethrower is just so good i want to learn how to do it but i dont want to B stick. If you b stick you van wavebounce Ivy's leaves and move back kinda like Lucas' PK Fire.

 

[since]

when i play as ivy i just attempt to space everything so i dont get punished because ivy is kinda slow at gettin away because razor leaf doesnt have good hitstun so i find it better to play it safe and make them rush me and use bs when i get them off the stage as a egdeguard if i get hit off stage i find it better to use fair to get them off the ledge or razor leaf if there on the platform then use vine whip to make it back on

any tips that could increase my ivy game?

 

[Vermy]

yeah so I've been finding Ivysaur is pretty good vs Diddy if you distract him with razor leaf while you grab a banana. Glide toss fsmash is too good. Also, nair ***** his upB.

 

[T-block]

N-air would **** his up-b lol.

Ivysaur doesn't have anywhere near enough mobility to compete with Diddy for bananas though =\

 

[Ingoro]

I always skip Ivy against Diddy, she can't compete with her mobility against his and his bananas, proper Diddy will outcamp you with little difficulty.

 

[typh]

ivysaur is cute when he throws bananas

 

[Geenareeno]

Someone should make a thread with a poll asking if Ivy is a boy or girl.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Someone should make a thread with a poll asking if Ivy is a boy or girl.

There's no poll to be had. Ivysaur is a girl.

 

[Ingoro]

There's no poll to be had. Ivysaur is a girl.

Enlighten us please reflex I thought it was coz T-block named his a female, then it became a hype.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Enlighten us please reflex I thought it was coz T-block named his a female, then it became a hype.

I suppose your Ivysaur is whatever you want it to be, in the end.

Regardless, the Japanese voice for Ivysaur is just so feminine, and I prefer it to the ugly English voice. Plus, no one ever questions the gender of Squirtle or Charizard, and I want a female somewhere on my squad.

 

[Geenareeno]

There's no poll to be had. Ivysaur is a girl.

Agreed.

Typhsptsquadisasausagefest10char

 

[T-block]

Hey remember when Retro infracted people for talking about Ivysaur's gender? lol

Um... yeah let's keep this to Tactical discussion please? Gender discussion can go in the social thread.

 

[Ingoro]

Hmm, I was testing Platform Cancelling today and I wondered if anyone else think this stuff is great and should be used more often. At smashville I can succesfully platform cancel with Ivysaur several times in a row. the reason why I'm bringing this up is because a lot more Dutch players are picking this up because our #1 ranked player: Mr.r is very known for using platform cancelling with his marth and pull off amazing combo's because of it. This video is Mr.r playing, in the second and tirth minute, there's examples of what Platform cancelling can lead to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhXwtH0C4A

So, should we bother adding this to our Ivy playstyle?

 

[Zigsta]

A lot of Marths incorporate platform canceling now. mikeHAZE does it now, and a local Marth named Nike uses it a lot. Hell, even Espy uses it with Sonic.

I've only tried it with Charizard at this point--platform canceled fsmash/runoff dair is AWESOME.

In my mind, any character should incorporate this into their gameplay. Added mobility, regardless of how often you use it or not, is always a good thing.

 

[T-block]

It's definitely something I've been meaning to learn, especially with how much we already love Smashville.

All pokemon can gain something from it imo, so yes, add it to your Ivy playstyle for sure.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's best when following up throws, imo.

 

[DanGR]

Anyone know the easiest way to do this? At this point in time, I'm aware of performing a platform cancel by doing one of these as you reach the moving platform:
1. hold down and shield. (pretty easy with snake)
2. press down.
3. d-air. (doesn't seem to work with some characters, like squirtle.)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Dair as you move through a moving platform, there is no other way.

It works with anyone, except on multijumps.

 

[Ingoro]

I've been able to succesfully do it with Ivy and Charizard's Down air, I'm unable to do with with Squirtle. The trick is to do it just before you go trough the platform. Don't use it in actual battles if you don't master it, coz you will be punished for the massive afterlag

 

[DanGR]

Dair as you move through a moving platform, there is no other way.

Not true.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you do it out of a short hop you're just timing the apex of your jump to be at the same height as the platform.

 

[Espy Rose]

A lot of Marths incorporate platform canceling now. mikeHAZE does it now, and a local Marth named Nike uses it a lot. Hell, even Espy uses it with Sonic.

Nike and I used this before it got cool. ;-;

But yeah, it's a neat little tech, and the mobility it gives your character if you successfully buffer a dash out of the platform cancel confuses the heck out of people.

Another fun thing about it is that once your opponent is aware of the fact that you have implemented some platform canceling into your game, it serves as another mix up as to whether or not you WANT to platform cancel, shark, or pass through normally. As Zigsta said, it's always good to implement universal techs such as this. They may not be applicable too often, but when they are, they provide for more coverage against your opponent.

Oh, and just because I love this example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpemztQUKA#t=02m45s

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oftentimes, people shield on platforms, this can be abused with platformcancel > grab :3

 

[Lord Chair]

Not true.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Xonar, don't spread false information. It really makes you look like a phallus.

 

[T-block]

I'm pretty sure you can platform cancel by holding Down and performing any aerial while passing through the platform. If you're not consistent with it, being able to use any aerial is nice because you can use the one with the least lag if you mess up.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mhmm I'll keep that in mind.

So what do you guys think about Ivysaurs walling on PS1? Especially around the windmill, it's pretty amazing. You can pass through the windmill by holding down, btw.

 

[Espy Rose]

When you are passing through a moving platform, just tap down.
OR, you can cstick dair

 

[Tesh]

Are there any good ways to land upsmash kills with Ivysaur? Any good frame-traps or semi-combos to help land that early kill? I know the hitbox just barely passes through platforms like the ones on battlefield, but its a bit difficult to ever land it anyway. Any tips for killing in general, I always have to go for upthrow/dash attack kills after some massive camping.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

On higher percentage sideB works, but I rather use Dash Attack to finish it on those percentages.

 

[Geenareeno]

Razor Leaf? Don't you mean Up B? Vine Whip?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Razor Leaf as a setup

 

[TheReflexWonder]

If you land the end of the Dash Attack on characters with bad horizontal aerial mobility (Falco, especially), they will often airdodge into you immediately afterward. That's a good opportunity. Similar things exist with D-Throw if you're somewhat close to the edge.

 

[Tesh]

Yea generally at late enough percents to get the upsmash from a bair or leaf setup I'd rather just Fsmash.

I meant exclusively lower percents 30-60% depending on the character where ONLY upsmash would kill.

 

[Zigsta]

Are there any good ways to land upsmash kills with Ivysaur? Any good frame-traps or semi-combos to help land that early kill? I know the hitbox just barely passes through platforms like the ones on battlefield, but its a bit difficult to ever land it anyway. Any tips for killing in general, I always have to go for upthrow/dash attack kills after some massive camping.

No lie: typh told me to upsmash the opposite direction I think I should upsmash.

What's scary is it actually works.

 

[hurricanehans]

No lie: typh told me to upsmash the opposite direction I think I should upsmash.

What's scary is it actually works.

Wait, do you mean turn around? Is there a little range on the back end of the hitbox? I'll try it out later, sounds cool.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

What can Meta Knight do if we time a shorthop B-Air after he grabs the ledge?