Ivysaur League Graduates: The Ivysaur Social Thread

[Sapphire Dragon]

Wavebird, that Umbreon texture is amazing.

GHNeko: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-of-Sudai/161896720511071


Anyway, don't mind me. I'm just semi-lurking the Ivy boards so I can learn to get good against a certain special player.

 

[bubbaking]

The Umbreon texture is easily the best Ivy texture I've ever seen right now.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I think that Umbreon color fits her scheme quite well.

 

[Twigz]

Hi new to the Ivy boards, played smash64 and Brawl but new to melee in general. Twigz! Nice to meet everyone.

 

[ScaryPixel]

Hi new to the Ivy boards, played smash64 and Brawl but new to melee in general. Twigz! Nice to meet everyone.

Welcome =)

 

[Juushichi]

Umbreon Ivy texture is sick.

 

[Artificial Flavour]

Hi, I just started playing P:M about a week ago and I've been messing around with Ivy. She's a ton of fun to play.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Hi, I just started playing P:M about a week ago and I've been messing around with Ivy. She's a ton of fun to play.

I agree :D

 

[ScaryPixel]

Just messed around with Ivy for a bit. They straight up fed Ivysaur fertilizer with crushed up rare candies in it holy crap.

 

[Sudai]

Anyone know what changes they did to him? No patch notes anywhere that I can find.

 

[ScaryPixel]

Anyone know what changes they did to him? No patch notes anywhere that I can find.

Dash attack starts up quicker and ends sooner.
dash grab is faster and less endlag
jab seems better.
utilt is better
dsmash is better. Starts up way sooner.
fair is shorter range but faster.
bair is better, think it's faster but shorter range as well.
seed bomb can be angled left/right.
side b is faster, but so you can't camp people out with it, it'll whiff if you use it again too soon
I heard that they tweaked up-b, but I haven't noticed. Tether seems more reliable though.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

ggs 98% of people who vs Sudai


Seriously though, that is insane. Lol. I think Ivy is pretty well tweaked now, they shouldn't need to change him much after this >.>;

 

[Dng3]

Some additional changes I've noticed:

Dair: now allows you to perform it without the upwards momentum boost. Simply just continue holding down on the control stick and it'll behave similar to vanilla brawl. I feel it allows for fake outs by using the move's 2 variations. I like.

Nair: drags the opponent in better but loss the knock back it had in 2.5 when you landed early with it =/. Not sure why this was done because now you can't fast fall Nair otherwise the opponent will be right beside/inside you when you land. Kind of a bad position for Ivysaur.

Forward/Backward Throw: FINALLY these moves can kill! Forward throw is even stronger than backwards throw. Very happy about this.

Up B: definitely starts up faster, or at least it feels like it =P.

Down Tilt: hit links together much better. Don't think I've encountered a instant where only the first hit connects, which would happen a lot in 2.5.

That's all for now =).

 

[Deleted member]

Ivysaur actually feels like a Melee character now. I'm very impressed.

 

[MrBigstuff]

I can't wait till I can download 2.6 and try out this sexy new Ivy.

 

[Shell]

Dng3, you are still at a frame advantage against your opponent when you get the Nair landing hit. It sets up for more stuff as the opponent's percent increases.

Also I'll save you guys some time and say that you won't be helping anyone by saying "X moves is better, Y move is better" -- almost every move she has is better in some small or large way

P.S. synthesis can do something kinda nifty...

 

[wza]

dont really like how you cant tilt the seed bombs really messes with my game.
idk maybe i just need to get used to it.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I assume you mean you don't like how you -can- tilt them...?

It only gives you more options. A little precision never hurt anybody.

 

[Chibi-Chan]

O_O TELL US THIS NEW SYNTHSIS SECRET!!

But yeah, Ivy is awesome now! I really felt something was missing in 1.5 but not anymore~

 

[Dng3]

Thanks Shell, I'm going to experiment more with Nair later. I wonder what this synthesis change is you're referring to lol.

About seed bomb, It took me a while to get use to the angling of shots as well. In 2.5, I was use to simply shooting it out and smashing my stick left/right to guide Ivysaur's momentum to space him without having to worry about where the seed would land, because it'd always go straight up. Now with the added control, I have to time my angled shots first before smashing the stick left/right to move accordingly. But overall, I like the new seed bomb.

Also, Ivy's entrance now has sounds effects! Here's hoping the next version adds a 3rd victory animation for him .

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Neutral-B's already been talked about--

I was watching Armada play Ivy yesterday, (along with JC on another stream) and I noticed some differences with Ivy's neutral-b. On JC's stream he was land cancelling it
Look here at 0:25:17: http://www.twitch.tv/jcaesar/b/428694123
he also mentioned a better hitbox for it and he hits it after land cancelling it a few times.

 

[Phiddlesticks]

i dunno if ivy could do it before but she can dacus now

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Yeah, she could DACUS before. Not useful at all, though, as far as I can tell.

 

[Squartle]

What does Synthesis do now? :/

 

[TheReflexWonder]

The attack is canceled when landing on the ground, like a shorthop Falco laser.

 

[Squartle]

Wait. When we say synthesis, we're talking about neutral B, right? Which isn't an attack unless Solarbeam is charged up?

Unless I'm insane.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It totally has a hitbox when you start the healing.

 

[Shell]

There is a setup hitbox on the initial golden flash of Synthesis.

EDIT: that rascally ninja, Reflex..

 

[Squartle]

Wow. Guess I hadn't played enough Ivysaur to notice.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

There is a setup hitbox on the initial golden flash of Synthesis.

EDIT: that rascally ninja, Reflex..

I guess you could say he has good... reflexes

*insert groan here*

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It didn't make sense for people to heal next to the opponent before, so it was easy to miss.

 

[pidgezero_one]

I guess you could say he has good... reflexes

*insert groan here*

I don't post in this thread but I am for the first time ever just to say I'm revoking your Ph.D for this terrible pun

 

[Shore Top]

Ivysaur's Synthesis is so amazing. It has incredible out of shield potential as well as combo starter for out of shield. Similar to shine.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I don't post in this thread but I am for the first time ever just to say I'm revoking your Ph.D for this terrible pun

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Staf pls

pls

pls Staf

 

[Sudai]

I don't know, I have to agree with him on that one. PhD remains revoked.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sudai pls

pls

pls Sudai

 

[ScaryPixel]

Just won a small tournament with 2.6 Ivy. She's so much better, seed bomb changes were very beneficial to her juggle game, and it gives her better stage control. Also, you can keep healing past getting your solarbeam now, dunno if anyone has mentioned that yet.

 

[Meme]

Heh, looks like Ivy had the very few things I noticed were the Neutral B vertical trayectory, wavelanding after razor leaf.and faster D-smash,

Good thing I'll have a bunch of friendlies to test all the moves this weekend

edit
Well Ivy is faster all around, some proper changes, I'll miss Fair's range but in exchange of speed I imagine it'll be better on the long run, Razor leaf seems a like wonky when you're able to do the animation twice in a SH.

Dash attack (on hit) cancelled to u-mash is easier now that DA is faster, might be useful for untheched knockdowns on crouch cancels.

 

[IhaveSonar]

Fair and dsmash being faster are my two favorite changes. She now has two more options fast enough for close-quarters combat. I am quite happy.

Dash grab having less range keeps throwing me off, though I just need to get used to it.

 

[bubbaking]

Synthesis takes longer to charge up Solarbeam now... <__<