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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

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I mean she was popular, she just didn't have that staying power that toad or bowser jr had before she was playable
Maybe he just saw a more unique moveset in Rosalina?
I can't tell you why he chose Rosalina but it wasn't a last minute thing like I thought it seemed like you were implying.
Not that I disrespect you or any of your opinions they're perfectly logical opinions but I think I'll have to side with N3ON on this one sorry pal.
 
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Maybe he just saw a more unique moveset in Rosalina?
I can't tell you why he chose Rosalina but it wasn't a last minute thing like I thought it seemed like you were implying.
Not that I disrespect you or any of your opinions they're perfectly logical opinions but I think I'll have to side with N3ON on this one sorry pal
I mean he had no reason to choose rosalina this time last year, she was sorta popular and as far as we knew we would never see her in a main game again plus before 3D World we never saw her fight or do much of anything for that matter unlike bowser jr, toad, paper mario and the other big choices, rosalina felt like at least to me they just tossed her in due to her sudden burst of popularity when she was announced for 3D World
 

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I mean he had no reason to choose rosalina this time last year, she was sorta popular and as far as we knew we would never see her in a main game again plus before 3D World we never saw her fight or do much of anything for that matter unlike bowser jr, toad, paper mario and the other big choices, rosalina felt like at least to me they just tossed her in due to her sudden burst of popularity when she was announced for 3D World
I'm not disagreeing with you at all but it does seem unlikely for them to be able to put together such a unique character in a span of like 2 or 3 months.
(Or 1 month however long it was between her announcement and 3D worlds release)
 
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all but it does seem unlikely for them to be able to put together such a unique character in a span of like 2 or 3 months.
2 or 3 months seems like more than enough to make one character especially with namco's help, I mean moddeling, animating, hitboxes, all that **** can't take too long with all the help they have
 

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2 or 3 months seems like more than enough to make one character especially with namco's help, I mean moddeling, animating, hitboxes, all that **** can't take too long with all the help they have
It's not just that though. They also have to balance that character against the other 40+ characters in the game. They have to do testing too.

Not to mention if a Golden Sun stage doesn't already exist they'd have to make one.

They can't just make Isaac and toss him in.
 
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I mean he had no reason to choose rosalina this time last year, she was sorta popular and as far as we knew we would never see her in a main game again plus before 3D World we never saw her fight or do much of anything for that matter unlike bowser jr, toad, paper mario and the other big choices, rosalina felt like at least to me they just tossed her in due to her sudden burst of popularity when she was announced for 3D World
You're saying that Sakurai didn't have any reason of including Rosalina before she was included in 3D World. So please answer this question : why was she initially included in 3D World ?

It's simple, the developers noticed that Rosalina was really popular before 3D World, and that people liked her. They took the decision to include her both in 3D World, and SSB4. In a short timespan, (November-December if I remember), she was revealed for 3D World, SSB4 and Mario Kart 8. All 3 inclusions follows the same reasons.

In clear, there is no way that VC realeases can influence a character inclusion right now. I'm also a developer, and a project must be well organized. They are not adding characters until the last day before release, there is a lot of other development, testing... after. As Neon said, the VC release may help for Golden Sun 4 because of the popularity it's having, but can't help Isaac for SSB4 bacause it's too late.
 

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If anything, it might influence Golden Sun's DLC chances, but we still don't know if SSB4 will have any DLC at all.
 

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If anything, it might influence Golden Sun's DLC chances, but we still don't know if SSB4 will have any DLC at all.
It's a mystery to be sure, I think it could go either way. They might approach dlc differently to what we might be expecting.
 

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What the VC release does is show that nintendo is thinking of Golden Sun. It could be hinting at him possibly being playable in SSB4 (I'm 99% sure he's in the game in some form). I say this because Golden Sun is being released alongside many "Heavy-hitter" GBA titles (rightfully so).

The popularity of the VC title is just a good way to show there are fans of Golden Sun and could influence camelot's decision for a GS4 sooner rather than later, especially now that they aren't working on other projects (i assume). The decision for working on that now would be an obvious choice if Isaac were to be a charater choice in SSB4 because Smash Bros has of way of dramatically increasing a characters popularity.
 

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What the VC release does is show that nintendo is thinking of Golden Sun. It could be hinting at him possibly being playable in SSB4 (I'm 99% sure he's in the game in some form). I say this because Golden Sun is being released alongside many "Heavy-hitter" GBA titles (rightfully so).

The popularity of the VC title is just a good way to show there are fans of Golden Sun and could influence camelot's decision for a GS4 sooner rather than later, especially now that they aren't working on other projects (i assume). The decision for working on that now would be an obvious choice if Isaac were to be a charater choice in SSB4 because Smash Bros has of way of dramatically increasing a characters popularity.
If it hints to Isaac being playable then it also hints to an Advance Wars rep. You can't have one without the other if you use that reasoning.
 

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All i'm saying is that nintendo is thinking of the series. Which would also be true of advance wars. I go on to say a possibility of why nintendo is thinking of the series, which can be different for each title; Or perhaps be the same reason. (I'm 99% sure both AW and GS are present in SSB4, but perhaps in different roles)
 

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If it hints to Isaac being playable then it also hints to an Advance Wars rep. You can't have one without the other if you use that reasoning.
It doesn't in of itself. That said, the VC release certainly doesn't hurt Isaac.

Rather, it's all of Isaac's established merits combined that will determine his fate.
 
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You're saying that Sakurai didn't have any reason of including Rosalina before she was included in 3D World. So please answer this question : why was she initially included in 3D World ?

It's simple, the developers noticed that Rosalina was really popular before 3D World, and that people liked her. They took the decision to include her both in 3D World, and SSB4. In a short timespan, (November-December if I remember), she was revealed for 3D World, SSB4 and Mario Kart 8. All 3 inclusions follows the same reasons.

In clear, there is no way that VC realeases can influence a character inclusion right now. I'm also a developer, and a project must be well organized. They are not adding characters until the last day before release, there is a lot of other development, testing... after. As Neon said, the VC release may help for Golden Sun 4 because of the popularity it's having, but can't help Isaac for SSB4 bacause it's too late.
She was added to 3D World cause they wanted to add another female and she was the most popular of them at the time, that popularity wasn't really big enough for smash at that time though
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...the_amount_of_content_in_super_mario_3d_world
It's not just that though. They also have to balance that character against the other 40+ characters in the game. They have to do testing too.

Not to mention if a Golden Sun stage doesn't already exist they'd have to make one.

They can't just make Isaac and toss him in.
With the help from namco it can't take too long and sakurai is doing all the balancing himself
 

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They're not adding characters at this point, it's far too late. Now they're polishing the game and working out the kinks before release. They're not adding stuff, that'd be much too laborious at this point to rework the game with the new additions. Anyone who knows even a little about development will tell you that. It's too late. If anything they're cutting stuff that didn't wind up finished.

Namco is a proficient game developer, but they're not magic. No matter who the developer, adding any character at this point and keeping the summer release will hurt the game. And Sakurai said this time he's specifically not doing the balancing all by himself. And as others have also been saying, it's not just a matter of adding a character and being done with it, it's hardly that simple. This isn't even GS4 we're getting, it's a VC release; one of many this month btw. By your logic we might as well add Andy too. You'd say that Isaac is more popular, and you'd be right, but if he wasn't demanded enough to initially make the cut, a VC release really won't change too much in the short term. It might not change anything in the long term either.

Your argument doesn't exactly give faith you have the best understanding of game development. :/
 
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But Mewtwo isn't a newcomer, so he doesn't count for the newcomer spot.

Regardless, assuming the leak is 100% correct, I still don't think we should count out Isaac yet unless the complete roster has been correctly leaked.
I highly doubt the roster has been entirely leaked at this point. I say we still have two to five newcomers left to go.
 

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They're not adding characters at this point, it's far too late. Now they're polishing the game and working out the kinks before release. They're not adding stuff, that'd be much too laborious at this point to rework the game with the new additions. Anyone who knows even a little about development will tell you that. It's too late. If anything they're cutting stuff that didn't wind up finished.

Namco is a proficient game developer, but they're not magic. No matter who the developer, adding any character at this point and keeping the summer release will hurt the game. And Sakurai said this time he's specifically not doing the balancing all by himself. And as others have also been saying, it's not just a matter of adding a character and being done with it, it's hardly that simple. This isn't even GS4 we're getting, it's a VC release; one of many this month btw. By your logic we might as well add Andy too. You'd say that Isaac is more popular, and you'd be right, but if he wasn't demanded enough to initially make the cut, a VC release really won't change too much in the short term. It might not change anything in the long term either.

Your argument doesn't exactly give faith you have the best understanding of game development. :/
I don't think it would happen but if sakurai wanted to make a last minute change it wouldn't be too hard with the bigger team thanks to namco
 

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Last minute change, yes, last minute addition of a whole new character created from scratch, no...

That like saying I bet the chefs at the ivy could make a last minute change to the menu if they wanted to, which they probably could as they're bloody good chefs, and then proceeding to give the example of 'such as breeding a whole new variety of apple for the tarte tatin'...
 
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I don't think it would happen but if sakurai wanted to make a last minute change it wouldn't be too hard with the bigger team thanks to namco
Yes it would. A last minute change is stressful on any developer no matter the size, because release dates are planned according to how development is coming along. They don't just choose a random time period for release. If you think development of this game isn't planned and scheduled to the extent where adding a character on a whim mere months before release won't throw a huge wrench in the schedule, you're quite mistaken. I guess you don't understand that the time for adding characters has come and gone, no matter Namco's size, though I don't see what's so hard to wrap your head around. :/

How long do you think it takes to add a fully-developed character, content from their series and re-adjust the rest of the game around them btw?
 

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I'm pretty sure Sakurai already knew about the VC re-releases in advance during the time he finalized the roster. Regardless, the VC re-releases in of themselves don't mean much.
 

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I'm pretty sure Sakurai already knew about the VC re-releases in advance during the time he finalized the roster. Regardless, the VC re-releases in of themselves don't mean much.
At least it means nintendo hasn't completely forgotten the franchise and more people have the chnace to play it
 

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At least it means nintendo hasn't completely forgotten the franchise and more people have the chnace to play it
If release on the VC counts as Nintendo not forgetting about a series... which series have Nintendo forgot?
 

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If release on the VC counts as Nintendo not forgetting about a series... which series have Nintendo forgot?
Shin Oshigama.

F-Zero, Custom Robo etc
Z-Zero Releases:
Super Family Computer/SNES:
JP November 21, 1990
NA August 23, 1991
EU June 4, 1992

Virtual Console:
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JP December 2, 2006
NA November 19, 2006
EU December 8, 2006
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NA/EU February 20, 2013
JP April 27, 2013
 
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Shin Oshigama.
Shin Onigashima? No... they're on there. Both on the NES VC and the SNES VC. Japan only ofc.
The NES (or Famicom) one is even on the Wii U.

Anyway, I didn't mean to draw the discussion away from Isaac, I'm just saying that... basically every series winds up on the VC, so it was only a matter of time for GS. It's great, but it's not anything too special.
 

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I'm wondering why a golden sun hasn't been in the super smash bros series before as a playable character. It's better than fire emblem series in my opinion in gameplay wise. It's quite popular as well even though its no represented in smash bros. I swear I wouldn't even know fire emblem series existed in the first place if smash bros didn't exist.
 

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I'm wondering why a golden sun hasn't been in the super smash bros series before as a playable character. It's better than fire emblem series in my opinion in gameplay wise. It's quite popular as well even though its no represented in smash bros. I swear I wouldn't even know fire emblem series existed in the first place if smash bros didn't exist.
I'm 100% with you on this, Golden Sun came out around the time of Melee, so therefore to this day I'll say Isaac should of been added in Melee, and I feel the same about FE, I'm not a big fan of the series, but I did enjoy playing Roy in Melee and Ike in Brawl, to me they were like my alternative to Isaac.

I guess you can say I was never really too big of fan of Marth, not like I was with Roy and Ike.

Yeah if Isaac was in Melee then we probably could of had a second character in Brawl, maybe.

Now I really hope for Isaac this time because Chrom would not cut it for me, I want to play as Isaac and beat up Chrom and Marth, yeah if I get to play as Isaac, then I might not use FE characters anymore, depends on how well they play, all I know is Marth sucked in Melee and Brawl.
 
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I too would be deeply disappointed if Chrom gets in over Issac, especially if Marth, and Ike, return as well.

We simply do not need 3 blue haired, sword wielding, characters from the same series when there are so many classes and weapon styles to choose from in fire emblem.
 

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Oh man that discussion. I got both sides of the story, and trust me Sonicguy, if Namco could pull that off (If Isaac wasn't planned already) then I'll be one of the first to be cheering about it.
Unfortunately I just don't see it happening and I have to agree with everyone else, though it pains me, because I've been hoping for Isaac's inclusion for years (not that that's any different from about 99% of the people discussing Isaac in this thread, but you know...)

Isaac just seems like he'd be great for Smash. That move pool is second to none, (Well that I can currently think of), he just seems like he has enough to make a great and varied fighter, with practically pre-made final smashes already. Combining his move pool and popularity, even if it is a bit niche, I hope will shine through and he'll finally get a roster slot. (Only worry though is that I imagined Isaac to be similar to Little Mac in being a ground based fighter (great on the ground, not as good in the air because of his natural element) only worry is if they want to promote another assist, would they want to promote another predominantly ground based fighter? (Hopefully this is entirely irrelevant, but I'm not sure, we've had so many curve balls already it's difficult to judge.)

Now I am really REALLY hoping, that the VC was released to get people pumped for Isaac being playable in Smash, but... I just can't see it happening.

Smash, it's over to you to prove me 100% wrong by having Isaac playable.
 

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Its all sakurai & Nintendo choice about which char for us to remember about Nintendo.
 

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Not second on the charts, but still second among VC games in France. Nice to see GS is still faring well outside Japan too. :)

I'm 100% with you on this, Golden Sun came out around the time of Melee, so therefore to this day I'll say Isaac should of been added in Melee, and I feel the same about FE, I'm not a big fan of the series, but I did enjoy playing Roy in Melee and Ike in Brawl, to me they were like my alternative to Isaac.
To be fair, GS only existed like three or four months before Melee came out. Maybe a trophy would've been nice like Pikmin got, but a character would've been a little soon tbh.
 

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Not second on the charts, but still second among VC games in France. Nice to see GS is still faring well outside Japan too. :)


To be fair, GS only existed like three or four months before Melee came out. Maybe a trophy would've been nice like Pikmin got, but a character would've been a little soon tbh.
I played golden sun gba LOL. they were awesome and way better than fire emblem gba games. I even went back to ds version to play golden sun ds. Im just hoping but I know sakurai won't add him or maybe he will...... O.O
 

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Hmm, I don't see why all the Isaac conversation now revolves around that Gematsu "leak".

In reality, what does that leak have going for it? Nothing, but the fact that it was revealed on the same site that correctly predicted Wii Fit Trainer and Villager (kinda). Just consider:

- The original leaked characters were first published as "predictions", later described as a leak
- They said Little Mac, Pac-Man and Mii were going to be revealed as characters on E3, didn't happen
- Rosalina and Greninja, pretty hard to predict characters were NOT leaked by them in advance
- The leak consists of nothing other than 2 character lists... why was there no stage/gameplay/items/trophies information?
- The legit leakers in the Brawl era had a variety of details about the game, not just roster information
- "Chorus Men" are just not happening... they just aren't

So yeah... Isaac stands on the same ground before and after this horribly overrated "leak". People probably just want to believe it because it "confirms" Palutena and Shulk. I really hope it somehow gets disconfirmed soon...
 

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Hmm, I don't see why all the Isaac conversation now revolves around that Gematsu "leak".

In reality, what does that leak have going for it? Nothing, but the fact that it was revealed on the same site that correctly predicted Wii Fit Trainer and Villager (kinda). Just consider:

- The original leaked characters were first published as "predictions", later described as a leak
- They said Little Mac, Pac-Man and Mii were going to be revealed as characters on E3, didn't happen
- Rosalina and Greninja, pretty hard to predict characters were NOT leaked by them in advance
- The leak consists of nothing other than 2 character lists... why was there no stage/gameplay/items/trophies information?
- The legit leakers in the Brawl era had a variety of details about the game, not just roster information
- "Chorus Men" are just not happening... they just aren't

So yeah... Isaac stands on the same ground before and after this horribly overrated "leak". People probably just want to believe it because it "confirms" Palutena and Shulk. I really hope it somehow gets disconfirmed soon...
I'm hoping to see Isaac over chrom. Cuz I don't want to see a bunch of sword char. Golden Sun <3 that series. So my support all the way. Not sure how the djinns will be implanted if Isaac gets in.

If Little Mac got in, why not Isaac?
 

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I really like the idea of a Djinn being an item, giving your attacks extra damage and the elemental properties for a duration.
 

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I really like the idea of a Djinn being an item, giving your attacks extra damage and the elemental properties for a duration.
The way I thought they could work was if they add their element to A attacks, and they boost the power of same-element attacks/move types (Mercury Djinn + Greninja shurikens/katanas = DEATH BY WATER).

As far as Isaac's chances, I'm skeptical at best at this point. Not because of leaks or popularity, but mainly because I don't want to get my hopes too high. I'm already really hyped for the game, and I don't really care too much who else makes the cut from here on (vets and newbies alike). However, Isaac and Toad are the only two characters I actively crave to be in the game, and while I firmly believe they are just as "likely" as anybody else is at this point, I'm just can't hype myself up for them and wind up disappointed about an already awesome-looking game.
 

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Not second on the charts, but still second among VC games in France. Nice to see GS is still faring well outside Japan too. :)


To be fair, GS only existed like three or four months before Melee came out. Maybe a trophy would've been nice like Pikmin got, but a character would've been a little soon tbh.
Perhaps, but to be fair then he like Pit who was a Trophy in Melee should of been playable in Brawl then Felix could of been the Assist Trophy using Move instead.

@ MAGMIS MAGMIS , I totally agree, we already saw of all Assist Trophies returning Isaac was not one of them, and we saw another Assist Trophy character in Mac become playable meaning it is still possible.

Oh and seeing it is popular in Japan now, all I have to say is.



Hearing that is good news because its already a popular thing elsewhere, but its fantastic to know it still has popularity in Japan.

There is more and more that keeps my hopes up about seeing Isaac playable.
 
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