Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[N3ON]

I'd like to remind people again not to get their hopes out of whack for the upcoming pic... it's a western VC release... and last week we received a deluge of info...

So don't be surprised if we wind up with nothing either which way. That's what I'm expecting.

 

[Arteen]

No news is probably good news, anyway.

 

[Kycse]

No news is probably good news, anyway.

Good point. If we don't see an Isaac assist trophy, there's a good chance its because there isn't one. (Optimism)

 

[Neo Zero]

Considering newcomers have only shown up in Directs, at most I want a subtle reference tonight, because actually seeing Isaac could very well spell his doom.

 

[Starcutter]

After last week's direct all I have is Isaac and K Rool.

Hope they both make it.

 

[Katy Parry]

Well, since we may well end up sealing Isaac's fate in SSB4 tomorrow morning, i wanted to nerd out about him just a bit. I feel like he really is the whole package in terms of a character choice. He has what any character for smash needs, and that is...

-Interesting attacks for a move set
-Stage options
-Music Selection
-History

I could go on and on about what a cool move set for him would be but I'd rather wait and see what he gets (unless he isn't in :/).

As for stages, I can really see a lighthouse being a stage (Probably Jupiter). It could have lightning bolt hazards and gusts of wind (see Temple in SB64) or flaoting/moving Zol, etc. But, what i would really like to see is the Belinsk Opera House as a stage, complete with chandelier dragon hazard. I would love to see that in HD and seeing as how pushed that whole ordeal was back in its time, I could see that being a favorable choice in locale.

The music selection for Golden Sun is pretty good IMO with the biggest criticism probably being that many of the tracks sound very similar. Having said that, I think there are many songs that stand out above the rest. Obviously "Battle with Saturos" would be in, I believe its in all three games. Other inclusions could be Jenna's Theme, Belinsk/Opera House, Forest's Requiem (I imagine it remixed to be more fighter-y), etc.

And above all, Isaac has history. Having more than 1 game is a big deal. He has a bunch of content that can make for interesting items, Assist trophies (C'mon Dullahan/Alex) and Stage hazards. And it doesn't end there, I truly believe we'll be getting a new GS in 1-2 years so this could be a great way to hype him up. (Imagine a Wii U release, how cool would that be!?)

I just wanted to get all that out before tomorrow. Crossing my fingers for his inclusion, even if we don't see him tomorrow. I know I'll be re-buying Golden Sun just to show my support for the franchise!

I wouldn't say the music is too similar. Sakurai has an entire orchestra as his disposal. They could easily update the music to have a broader variety of sound.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Isaac just has to survive until either E3 or get revealed as a playable character in May.

*crosses fingers for Isaac*

 

[N3ON]

Isaac just has to survive until either E3 or get revealed as a playable character in May.

*crosses fingers for Isaac*

Why? This game might not arrive until August for all we know. When Nintendo gives a release season, it's usually... like right at the end of that season.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Why? This game might not arrive until August for all we know. When Nintendo gives a release season, it's usually... like right at the end of that season.

May, because one character is revealed during each month.

 

[N3ON]

May, because one character is revealed during each month.

Right, but for all we know we still might be getting character reveals all the way up to August. Maybe Isaac would be one of the last ones revealed... it's definitely possible.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Right, but for all we know we still might be getting character reveals all the way up to August. Maybe Isaac would be one of the last ones revealed... it's definitely possible.

Hopefully or he may get revealed earlier than the last one. As long as we get him playable.

 

[FalKoopa]

Okay, I thought the games weren't being released until April 17th.

Remember? Because I hyped everyone up for tomorrow's post. Crap. Maybe tomorrow is when it releases in Europe?

On Kc-MM, they just released a Golden Sun stage, based on a Lighthouse. It is AMAZING. IT opens up and cracks and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNIe87T66PI

THAT would be my ideal Golden Sun stage. It's amazingly made.

 

[DivinexRose]

I think we can all agree that if nothing happens later today (which is possible), then our safest bet would be E3 unless May does have something to offer.

( Also pleasure to meet fellow fans of the Golden Sun franchise. : ) )

 

[Katy Parry]

Yeah, I'm hoping for something tonight. But then again I'm not. If Isaac is an Assist again, it's more likely he'd be revealed tonight rather than a newcomer.

 

[Staarih]

I think we'll have to wait until the game's release to know Isaac's fate, sadly. If he's a playable character, he's probably a secret one. If he remains as an AT, he will probably be secret again. Oh the secrecy!

Hopefully we'll learn something before that though. A GS stage reveal could tell us something, for example. I wouldn't oppose an outright (de-)confirmation really, I hate playing the waiting game.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Well nothing Golden Sun related today as expected.

At least it wasn't bad news.

 

[SirCamp]

No Isaac AT reveal today. So, I guess there's that!

 

[N3ON]

No news is probably good news, anyway.

^

This was to be expected. I would've been very surprised at anything GS today tbh. I'd be very surprised at getting anything substantial this week for that matter...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Good. Isaac wasn't revealed today as an AT.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Good. Isaac wasn't revealed today as an AT.

In a way, if he really is just an assist again I'd rather he got revealed as such.

If Isaac is an assist again, not showing him isn't going to change that. It's not like there's a "not shown meter" that goes up every time Isaac isn't shown when he's the most likely to....and then when the meter fills up he suddenly becomes playable.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

I would legit scream in joy if he was playable. REALLY want him in, and since Lil Mac made it in it shows Ninty can convert some ATs into characters, even if they are generally speaking not so popular.

 

[Katy Parry]

Well Issac was revealed after Brawl was released I believe, as an unlockable. I think you had to have 100 matches or something.

Also I thought the squid thing referenced Isaac, just kidding myself.

But remember the boss fight in the bottom of the ship? When you have to fight 3 different Man o Wars? lol

And then the Kraken boss fight?

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, as we've seen with Brawl, Isaac not being shown until late in the game isn't necessarily a good thing, it's just that him not being deconfirmed so far is worth noting.

No one should be thinking that means he's definitely playable, at least until we have more reason to.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't the Direct not reveal any previously unlockable ATs in this game? Looking back, him surviving the AT massacre may mean nothing after all.

Getting really pessimistic about him...

 

[N3ON]

Didn't the Direct not reveal any previously unlockable ATs in this game? Looking back, him surviving the AT massacre may mean nothing after all.

Getting really pessimistic about him...

I think people have realized that him not being deconfirmed was nice, but not really a boost to his chances, just... not a nail in the coffin.

It's mostly the people who thought he would make it beforehand not having any reason to think differently. He now just has a bit less competition is all, but still stands in about the same spot...

 

[MetroAndroid]

Golden sun was released on the Wii U E-shop today!

 

[Deleted member]

I think people have realized that him not being deconfirmed was nice, but not really a boost to his chances, just... not a nail in the coffin.

It's mostly the people who thought he would make it beforehand not having any reason to think differently. He now just has a bit less competition is all, but still stands in about the same spot...

It's not just that.

It's the fact that we're running out of spots for characters. If the Getmatsu leak turns out to be true, then that leaves us at twelve newcomers and eight new series. Add in Mewtwo and a retro character (which have both been hinted at) and that leaves us at fourteen additions; and nine new series.

So for Isaac to have a shot at getting in now, it would mean that Sakurai will want... at least ten new series. Which isn't impossible, but I'm not sure if Sakurai will want that many, even after so much emphasis on new series. If we do, then I think Isaac has a good chance, but I have a feeling we won't.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's not just that.

It's the fact that we're running out of spots for characters. If the Getmatsu leak turns out to be true, then that leaves us at twelve newcomers and eight new series. Add in Mewtwo and a retro character (which have both been hinted at) and that leaves us at fourteen additions; and nine new series.

So for Isaac to have a shot at getting in now, it would mean that Sakurai will want... at least ten new series. Which isn't impossible, but I'm not sure if Sakurai will want that many, even after so much emphasis on new series. If we do, then I think Isaac has a good chance, but I have a feeling we won't.

It's not much of a stretch there is still plenty of great unrepresented series left now that Sakurai has an open mind to a new direction.

 

[N3ON]

It's not just that.

It's the fact that we're running out of spots for characters. If the Getmatsu leak turns out to be true, then that leaves us at twelve newcomers and eight new series. Add in Mewtwo and a retro character (which have both been hinted at) and that leaves us at fourteen additions; and nine new series.

So for Isaac to have a shot at getting in now, it would mean that Sakurai will want... at least ten new series. Which isn't impossible, but I'm not sure if Sakurai will want that many, even after so much emphasis on new series. If we do, then I think Isaac has a good chance, but I have a feeling we won't.

Isaac's chances have always been touch-and-go, and it's entirely possible he gets passed on again, but discounting the characters in the leak, Isaac is one of the last remaining candidates with a shot, so people are going to ride that chance as long as they can.

I'm not pretending should we only have two more spots in the dark (which is just speculation), there aren't characters with better odds than Isaac, but as long as he has a chance, he'll still have support. And if we have nine new series, that's already three more than the previous highest amount we've received (not counting 64), so what's to stop one more? Seems a rather arbitrary cap at this point, the focus does seem to be on new series to Smash this time around more than ever before. I agree it's a bit much, ten is a lot, but then again... so is nine...

I thought we'd get like seven at the most.

In any case, as long as there are open spots, as long as Isaac's specific chances as a character remain fairly unwavered, his supporters are going to keep pushing for him. I'm sure the supporters of K. Rool and the like are doing the same thing. And while he very well might not make it, it's not like we can count him out yet either.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Isaac's chances have always been touch-and-go, and it's entirely possible he gets passed on again, but discounting the characters in the leak, Isaac is one of the last remaining candidates with a shot, so people are going to ride that chance as long as they can.

I'm not pretending should we only have two more spots in the dark (which is just speculation), there aren't characters with better odds than Isaac, but as long as he has a chance, he'll still have support. And if we have nine new series, that's already three more than the previous highest amount we've received (not counting 64), so what's to stop one more? Seems a rather arbitrary cap at this point, the focus does seem to be on new series to Smash this time around more than ever before. I agree it's a bit much, ten is a lot, but then again... so is nine...

I thought we'd get like seven at the most.

In any case, as long as there are open spots, as long as Isaac's specific chances as a character remain fairly unwavered, his supporters are going to keep pushing for him. I'm sure the supporters of K. Rool and the like are doing the same thing. And while he very well might not make it, it's not like we can count him out yet either.

*claps slowly* This is pretty much a good summary.

 

[e105beta]

Kind of glad there was no reveal today. Sakurai isn't going to do a newcomer reveal right after the Smash Bros Direct, nor will he just do one on some random day. However, if Isaac WAS just an assist trophy, today would be an easy day to reveal it.

So here's hoping.

 

[DivinexRose]

Let's see now -- In Brawl, there were 21 regular ATs, and 6 unlockable ones which totals up to 27.

For the 3DS & WiiU, there are 22 regular ATs shown so far, so that would mean we'd have about 4-5 unlockable ones. The only VERY possible candidates for that, unless Sakurai counts Elec Man as an unlockable, would be Shadow, Infantry & Tanks, Ray MKIII, and Isaac.

As N3ON stated, Isaac is one of the only other candidates with a shot in the roster. I would find it slightly difficult to believe Little Mac is the *only* AT promoted, but alas Sakurai does tend to pull moments that can possibly break our hearts (if not already.)

In the end, it's really up to whether he will do just that... or surprise us. Only time can tell.

 

[Starcutter]

For the 3DS & WiiU, there are 22 regular ATs shown so far, so that would mean we'd have about 4-5 unlockable ones

Except that Sakurai has been quoted wanting a lot more assist trophies than in brawl.

 

[DivinexRose]

Except that Sakurai has been quoted wanting a lot more assist trophies than in brawl.

That would be quite interesting to see. Yet that would worry me slightly because some of the ATs look convincing fighters, like Saki and Waluigi, haha!

 

[N3ON]

Golden sun was released on the Wii U E-shop today!

Indeed! All of those with Wii Us and a desire to see a GS4, I'd encourage you to pick up the title! Even if you've played it before, you still hanging around these parts means you probably wouldn't be adverse to giving it another runthrough...

And if you have a Wii U but have never played GS, well then I would definitely suggest picking it up! Don't listen to the sour people, it's pretty fantastic. If you like classic 16-bit RPGs, you'll probably get a kick out of it.

For the 3DS & WiiU, there are 22 regular ATs shown so far, so that would mean we'd have about 4-5 unlockable ones. The only VERY possible candidates for that, unless Sakurai counts Elec Man as an unlockable, would be Shadow, Infantry & Tanks, Ray MKIII, and Isaac.

I don't know why Elec Man wouldn't be unlockable if Mega Man is.

 

[Raetah]

I wouldn't say the music is too similar. Sakurai has an entire orchestra as his disposal. They could easily update the music to have a broader variety of sound.

Actually... He have part of reason saying that the music is similar. Motoi Sakuraba usually reuses or uses extremely similar tunes-notes. At the moment im using my smartphone. In other moment, if you want, I can list soundtracks of Motoi Sakuraba with those similarities being of different games.

 

[kikaru]

Mario Tennis on 3DS [X]
Mario Golf on 3DS [X]
Golden Sun on 3DS [ ]

Your move Camelot...

 

[N3ON]

I gotta say, I'll enjoy SSB4 whether or not Isaac is playable, but if he's not, as it stands now getting a GS4 will be the only thing that might get me to come back for SSB5. Or... six. Whatever you wanna call it. The one after these.

 

[Starcutter]

I gotta say, I'll enjoy SSB4 whether or not Isaac is playable, but if he's not, as it stands now getting a GS4 will be the only thing that might get me to come back for SSB5. Or... six. Whatever you wanna call it. The one after these.

I have plenty reasons already to come back for the next game, but if Isaac isn't in this one and golden sun has made a comeback then there's even more reason to be here then.

 

[Katy Parry]

I'll be disappointed. I've wanted him for 8 years. Ever since Brawl was announced.