Is Falco the only character who can do BDACUS?

[Deleted member 189823]

It looks pretty insane. I wonder who else can do it.

I'd feel dissapointed if it's only exclusive to him.

 

[SinisterB]

No, there are a bunch of others as well.

Wolf, Falco, and Diddy are only some of them.


I mean it's only a buffered DACUS, lol.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Everyone can BDACUS, but I'm pretty sure only certain characters receive benefits from it.

To add to Sinisters list, Sheik can too.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Since every character can dacus, every character can bdacus as well.

 

[infiniteV115]

On the topic of DACUSes, does the timing affect the length of the DACUS?
Whenever I do it with Falco (I do it with C-stick down--> Analog up+Z) it seems pretty small (smaller than when I do the BDACUS) but when I see other people do it with R set to attack (I don't know exactly what inputs they use but I hear they set R to attack to get the timing right) it's the same length as the BDACUS.


..And also with ****ing around, I learned that Pit's DACUS is shorter than his running usmash...is this also because of timing? Is his ideal DACUS length longer than his running usmash length?

 

[Deleted member 189823]

I thought only a select few could DACUS. As far as I know, only they can do it. Others like Mario, Luigi and Yoshi have can Up-Smash while sliding a bit.

 

[C.J.]

I thought only a select few could DACUS. As far as I know, only they can do it. Others like Mario, Luigi and Yoshi have can Up-Smash while sliding a bit.

Will be answered below:

Since every character can dacus, every character can bdacus as well.

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On the topic of DACUSes, does the timing affect the length of the DACUS?
Whenever I do it with Falco (I do it with C-stick down--> Analog up+Z) it seems pretty small (smaller than when I do the BDACUS) but when I see other people do it with R set to attack (I don't know exactly what inputs they use but I hear they set R to attack to get the timing right) it's the same length as the BDACUS.


..And also with ****ing around, I learned that Pit's BDACUS is shorter than his running usmash...is this also because of timing? Is his ideal DACUS length longer than his running usmash length?

Yes timing does affect the length of the DACUS. Since Z is a macro for shield + attack the attack input is read by the game slightly later than if you had pressed a normal attack button at that time instead. This is why Sheik's DACUS can't be done with "Z" (too tight of a window- frame wise). It's possible to get a much longer DACUS length as Falco with Z, you just have to be quicker. You still probably won't get the frame perfect one without clawing/changing controls though.

If I had to guess, Pit's B/DACUS is shorter than his running usmash. The length of running usmashes are dependent on traction which is why Luigi's is so long for example. For a B/DACUS (this is what I've been told, and it makes sense, however it may not be 100% accurate) the length it goes is dependent on the speed that the character moves during their dash attack at the very beginning. The most obvious example for a long one is Sheik (she darts forward and moves far quicker and the beginning of her dash attack). For a short one, watch Marth use his dash attack. At the very beginning of the move he slows down which results in his B/DACUS being quite short. I don't have the game in front of me to test, but off of memory I believe that Pit's dash attack is slower at the very beginning. Assuming this to be true, then it's probable that Pit's B/DACUS is shorter than his running usmash.


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[~ Gheb ~]

I thought only a select few could DACUS. As far as I know, only they can do it. Others like Mario, Luigi and Yoshi have can Up-Smash while sliding a bit.

Just because a character doesn't slide doesn't mean it's not a DACUS.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

What do you mean you can't DACUS with Sheik with "Z"?

As in Z set to attack? I'm confused.

 

[Sylarius]

Yes timing does affect the length of the DACUS. Since Z is a macro for shield + attack the attack input is read by the game slightly later than if you had pressed a normal attack button at that time instead. This is why Sheik's DACUS can't be done with "Z" (too tight of a window- frame wise)

Grab = Shield + Attack, the attack input is slightly later that's why you can't use grab for DACUS with Sheik

 

[infiniteV115]

What do you mean you can't DACUS with Sheik with "Z"?

As in Z set to attack? I'm confused.

Default controls, as in Z set to grab.

The way that I (and probably many others) learned to DACUS is, with default controls (except I think tap jump has to be off? Not sure)
-Run
-Down on C-stick
-Up on joystick
-Z while still holding up on joystick (hold Z to charge)

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Charizard's DACUS allows him to stop in place instantly, instead of getting the slide associated with a running U-Smash.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

What do you mean you can't DACUS with Sheik with "Z"?

As in Z set to attack? I'm confused.

Then what's the point if I can just Up-Smash? :/

 

[Psychoace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KEOniDNNc

 

[TreK]

To add to the topic :
you can pick up an item with your dacus' dash attack, and keep it into your hand while you usmash. Especially useful against diddy for characters that don't have a great dash attack (who said Luigi ?)

 

[TriforceOSM]

Yes timing does affect the length of the DACUS. Since Z is a macro for shield + attack the attack input is read by the game slightly later than if you had pressed a normal attack button at that time instead. This is why Sheik's DACUS can't be done with "Z" (too tight of a window- frame wise). It's possible to get a much longer DACUS length as Falco with Z, you just have to be quicker. You still probably won't get the frame perfect one without clawing/changing controls though.

If I had to guess, Pit's B/DACUS is shorter than his running usmash. The length of running usmashes are dependent on traction which is why Luigi's is so long for example. For a B/DACUS (this is what I've been told, and it makes sense, however it may not be 100% accurate) the length it goes is dependent on the speed that the character moves during their dash attack at the very beginning. The most obvious example for a long one is Sheik (she darts forward and moves far quicker and the beginning of her dash attack). For a short one, watch Marth use his dash attack. At the very beginning of the move he slows down which results in his B/DACUS being quite short. I don't have the game in front of me to test, but off of memory I believe that Pit's dash attack is slower at the very beginning. Assuming this to be true, then it's probable that Pit's B/DACUS is shorter than his running usmash.

Yeah timing is very crucial actually. Link's DACUS reaches it's longest distance when the buttons are pressed at a slightly slower input than the fastest input. The fastest input of Link's DACUS is his shortest distance actually. The BDACUS's farthest distance is a little bit harder. To get the farthest distance the last input of Dash -> C-stick Up -> C-stick Up has to be right at the end of the animation. Extremely hard to time :/

Falco's DACUS reachest it's farthest at the fastest input. Same with Shiek, and Wario.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Default controls, as in Z set to grab.

The way that I (and probably many others) learned to DACUS is, with default controls (except I think tap jump has to be off? Not sure)
-Run
-Down on C-stick
-Up on joystick
-Z while still holding up on joystick (hold Z to charge)

Tap Jump can be on, I use tap jump and I can DACUS consistently with Falco, Wario, Snake and Link.

Just found out from this topic that Z can't be used to DACUS with Sheik, So I'm going to go try R

 

[C.J.]

Z can be used, but it has to be set to attack. You can't use a grab macro is what I meant (which is the default setting for "Z").

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Z can be used, but it has to be set to attack. You can't use a grab macro is what I meant (which is the default setting for "Z").

This makes more sense.

I wasn't even aware you could DACUS with grab.

 

[C.J.]

Yeah, that was my fault for not being specific enough.