Introduction to Competitive Battling -Sariku and shadydentist merger

[SmashAura4]

Amazing! I had researched EV training, but hardly got it. Thank you for clearing that all up. And on top of that, you explained the different types of competitive pokemon. Your a real pokemon expert, thanks.

 

[Overload]

haha I have the pokerus, got it on a shiny dialga from a wifi trade. I make sure to always have one pokemon with it in storage so it doesn't go away and I can infect whoever I want. EV training is still tedious with it though

 

[zrky]

Not sure if it's been asked, but can EV's be gained with the Exp. share?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Not sure if it's been asked, but can EV's be gained with the Exp. share?

Yes, they can, and all pokemon participating get the same amount of EVs unlike experience where it is evenly distributed.. e.g.: Zubat give 1 EV in speed. Let's say all of my party pokemon are holding exp. shares(exp. all ftw). When the Zubat is defeated, all pokemon will recieve 1 EV in speed. If it was Crobat(3 in speed) rathar than Zubat that was defeated, all of my pokemon would recieve 3 EVs.

 

[Ban3]

so if i give my pokemon 10 steroids 4 special attack, i will need to kill 152 gastly to max out the EVs 4 speed?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

so if i give my pokemon 10 steroids 4 special attack, i will need to kill 152 gastly to max out the EVs 4 speed(uhh... don't you mean special attack)?

Yes...
or you can give it a macho brace or Pokerus to speed it up to 76 gastly for(what's so hard about typing "for"?) max sp. attack. Speed it up even further to 38 gastly by using both Pokerus and a macho brace. The fastest way possible would be to use a power item(in this case it would be Power Lens; adds 4 to your EVs) and Pokerus together(doubles the 5 to 10) to KO only 15 gastly and 1 without the power item. Hope that wasn't too confusing.

 

[Ban3]

Yes...
or you can give it a macho brace or Pokerus to speed it up to 76 gastly for(what's so hard about typing "for"?) max sp. attack. Speed it up even further to 38 gastly by using both Pokerus and a macho brace. The fastest way possible would be to use a power item(in this case it would be Power Lens; adds 4 to your EVs) and Pokerus together(doubles the 5 to 10) to KO only 15 gastly and 1 without the power item. Hope that wasn't too confusing.

ya that helps and yeah i did mean special attack

 

[Ban3]

um sorry for the double post but for EV speed training, shouldnt it be Power Anklet? not bracer?

 

[Mewter]

um sorry for the double post but for EV speed training, shouldnt it be Power Anklet? not bracer?

Yes, I believe so.
PS:
Awesome way to EV train Special Attack:
Have your level 50 Pokemon ready, go to The lake in the resort area, and train against golducks with powerlense and pokerus.

 

[XFadingNirvanaX]

This is really helpful ^^

I have a question though. I trained my Kadabra *to be Alakazam soon...duh* in sp. attack and got the hold item, pokerus, got the ghastlys, etc. Now after I finish the last part of fainting all the ghastlys the EVs can or cannot change? For ex: If I fight a wild/trained poke in the game that's not a ghastly, will the EV training cancel?

 

[BlueSilver]

It shouldn't cancel the EV training you did.

The Special Attack EVs will not change unless you use a berry that lowers Special Attack EVs. I can't remember what the berry is called though.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

It shouldn't cancel the EV training you did.

The Special Attack EVs will not change unless you use a berry that lowers Special Attack EVs. I can't remember what the berry is called though.

HP=Pomeg Berry
Attack=Kelpsy Berry
Defense=Qualot Berry
Sp. atk=Hondew Berry
Sp. def=Grepa Berry
Speed=Tamato Berry

Each berry removes 10 EV points from their respective stats. Useful in case you mess up.

 

[BlueSilver]

Thanks for the names and the more specific information on the berries.

Seriously, knowing exactly what they do is much better than knowing just the general information.


Again, thanks.

 

[XFadingNirvanaX]

Thank you very much. My Kadabra thanks you ^^

 

[Tevin_T@lB@iN150]

This is extremely helpful, I knew most of the things already but I haven't applied them to my Pokemon as much as I should, thanks a bunch man.

 

[MarthFanatique]

I've been EV training for quite a bit now (a year or two?), and wouldn't it be faster if you have an AR w/ the "Wild Pokemon Modifier" code? Ex: I want to EV train for (let's say) Speed. I have my Pokerus and power anklet on my current pokemon that i'm EV training. I use my AR code to battle a Crobat (3 EV's of Speed) and defeat it. That would give me (3+4)2=14. Right? This would speed up the EV training, would it not?

 

[Empy]

Great guide. One spelling mistake is with Dusknoir, as calls it a Special Wall.

Yes, they can, and all pokemon participating get the same amount of EVs unlike experience where it is evenly distributed.. e.g.: Zubat give 1 EV in speed. Let's say all of my party pokemon are holding exp. shares(exp. all ftw). When the Zubat is defeated, all pokemon will recieve 1 EV in speed. If it was Crobat(3 in speed) rathar than Zubat that was defeated, all of my pokemon would recieve 3 EVs.

Maybe worth noting that if your lead pokémon has pokérus, the exp. share holder will gain normal EV, not double. Same when the pokémon is holding a power item.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Is exp all an item only in D/P? I only have FR, so I'm just wondering....

Very helpful. Thanks!

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Exp. all is only in Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow. All other versions have Exp. share.

 

[woopyfrood]

I'm a nublet at competitive Pokemon battling, but now I know about the latest terms! Thank you!

I still have no clue what as to what mah Pokeymanz' EV's are...

 

[LordoftheMorning]

Its jigglyppuff8 or jpp8 >_<. Off Topic: How many "Matt"s are there? There's Matt himself, MasterMatt, and MattDel...


Also I forgot to add some things:
You can keep adding EVs until the total number of EVs is 510. If you make a mistake in the EVs like giving 50 in sp. atk when you wanted attack, there are 6 berries that raise a pokemon's happiness but lower their EVs in one stat(Pomeg-Tamato). After you get 510, go to Sunyshore market to get an effort ribbon to confirm you are finished. Also 4 EVs equal 1 stat boost, so 252 equals +63 in a stat. With the 510 limit the most possible EV max stat boost is 252, 252, and 6(seen on most sweepers). I'll add more when I'm done getting sick off of candy.

So wait... Are you saying that if I have an Empoleon that I played the game normally with and it's EV's are whatever he happened to KO, I can give him berries for the EV's in unwanted stats and retrain him for more EV's in the desired stats?

Also, Daycare has no negative repercussions right? It's just get the pokemon to a high enough lvl to train without exp share?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Actually, I suggest using the berries to lower all of your empoleon's stats, that way you can get more exact numbers. So, basically, yeah.

 

[LordoftheMorning]

Okay so I have a Leafeon that I trained before I knew about EV's. If I gave it berries to lower its stats the unused stats (sp. attack chiefly) I could EV train him to pick up more Attack/Defense? How do I know when all the EV's for the undesired stat are erased? How do I know when I have filled them all up again? Does the effort ribbon giver say something?

My main question is how do I know how many berries it needs?

 

[Residentevillegend]

This is helpful.

 

[Creo]

I felt like reading the OP again, and something struck me.
I was informed that if you have a Power Items(lens, band, etc), that you will get 4 EV's instead of 1.
He clearly states you get 5.
Could someone please tell me which one it is.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

You get +4 in that stat. So, in theory, if I have a pokemon holding a power lens(sp. atk) and it KOs a gastly(1 sp. atk), you would get 5. If you KO a geodude (not sp. atk) while holding a power lens, you would get 4 in sp. atk... I think.

 

[0RLY]

@ above: Yes, you are correct.

 

[Creo]

Ugghh. My Ev's are a tiny bit off then..only about a stat or two difference though so nothing big.
Man, I was informed you got 4 and not add the 1. Oh well. At least I know for future EV'ing. Thanks.

 

[LordoftheMorning]

If I gave it berries to lower its stats the unused stats (sp. attack chiefly) I could EV train him to pick up more Attack/Defense? How do I know when all the EV's for the undesired stat are erased? How do I know when I have filled them all up again? Does the effort ribbon giver say something?

My main question is how do I know how many berries it needs?

Answer plz. Also, when you feed them the berries, do they actually lose the stats they already have?

And in the battle tower. If you EV train after level 50, do you still get the benefit of the EV's in the battle tower? I heard that the stat gains from EV's are spread out along the way to lv. 100. Right?

 

[Creo]

^^Above

Leave your Pokemon at the level of 50 for battle tower or their stats will decrease.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Actually Creo, in theory, if you EV train a Pokemon at lv. 50 (ex. PBR Electivire), it will still have all the benefits. Also, the battle tower automatically decreases your pokemon's level if it's over 50, to 50.

When you feed pokemon EV decreasing berries, their EVs go down in 10 in their respective stat, and a message will say, "__________ grew more friendly," or "__________ already adores you," followed by "It's base ___________ fell!", "It's ___________ can't go any lower," or, "It had no affect..."

If you didn't get the effort ribbon yet, then when you have 510 EVs, the effort ribbon giver will give you an effort ribbon

Spoiler

Obvious answer is obvious.

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For the last question... I'm not sure what you mean exactly but if you're saying what I think you'e saying then:
When a Pokemon is EV trained, it doesn't gain all of its points at once, instead, it's gradual growth. Let's say Pokemon "X" gains + 5 in stat "Z" without any EVs at level 70. If I were to put 252 EVs in stat "Z" at level 13, then at level 70, Pokemon "X" may gain + 6 or +7 in stat "Z". In the most extreme case, If you were to EV train a Pokemon at level 99 with a 255/255 EV spread, then it would gain 63 plus whatever the regular number is. Hope this helps.

 

[Creo]

Actually Creo, in theory, if you EV train a Pokemon at lv. 50 (ex. PBR Electivire), it will still have all the benefits. Also, the battle tower automatically decreases your pokemon's level if it's over 50, to 50.

I get that. What I am saying is if you EV your Pokemon, get them to level 50, check their stats AT level 50. Enter the battle Tower on EXACTLY level 50 and you'll have the level 50 stats. If your level 50 or higher, your stats will get decreased. I've tested this myself.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Well, when you explain it like that, then yes, a pokemon lowered to level 50 will have it's level 50 stats.

Spoiler

Durr.

But, it will still have all of it's EVs, even those gained after level 50, amirite?

 

[Creo]

Well, when you explain it like that, then yes, a pokemon lowered to level 50 will have it's level 50 stats.

Spoiler

Durr.

But, it will still have all of it's EVs, even those gained after level 50, amirite?

Ahem*cough*.
Not a Pokemon lowered to 50. A Pokemon EV'd and raised to EXACTLY level 50 will have higher Battle Tower stats then(let's say the same pokemon)level 51's lowered Battle Tower stats.
So, yes, it will have its EV's(in general)if it is passed level 50. But, its Battle Tower EV's(max stats level 50)are only there if you stay on level 50. If not, they will be dropped significantly. I have checked this myself.
Savvy now?

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Is there a certain total amount of EV's that a pokemon can have? In the examples used, the maximum overall usage of EV's was appeared to be 508 (for some, it was 504). Is there a max for EV's overall?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Yes Lord vader, A pokemon can only have 510 EVs total and 255 in each stat(255 X 2 = 510). It was 508 because 510/4 has a remainder of 2 and since a stat gains 1 point with 4 EVs in that stat, those extra 2 are near useless, most of the time, the standard specialized EV spread would be 252/252/6 but I guess for some reason, the 6 was 4.

 

[Greenstreet]

quick q from a pokenub. can u only ev train a pokemon in one stat?

^ just read above post is that my answer?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

You can do it in all stats. However, it is suggested (with 3rd gen being an exception) that the most that you train in is 3-4. Just read some properly formated RMTs and you'll see EV spreads like:

252 atk/252 speed/6 HP = 510 EVs
252 HP/252 def/6 atk = 510 EVs
40 HP/252 sp. atk/216 speed = 510 EVs
252 HP/96 def/100 sp. atk/60 speed = 510 EVs

I hope that gives you a visual idea of my answer to your question. Sort of.

EDIT: RMT means Rate my Team.

 

[Greenstreet]

like i said.. pokenub RMT? other than that abbrev, i get it.

 

[karthik_king]

WHy is 3rd gen an exception? And when were EV's introduced because I am sure they were not in Silver