Instant edgehog - Made easy

[King Kong]

DK's instant edgehog is a sexy technique. Its stylish and certainly has it applications in smash.

However, its so freaking hard to do consistantly that its hardly worth learning.

The main problem is that its especially difficult to time the edgehog correctly and combining it with a reverse instant charge canceled punch makes even the most advanced apects of Fox's tech game feel like a walk in the park.

So, the remedy is to make it easier to perfrom. So what you do is:

1: Run at the edge
2: Slam down just before you reach the edge - This way you will crouch and slide off the edge
3: Move the control stick a quarter turn towards the stage (This should follow the crouch all in one motion)
4: Quickly let go of the stick and cancel a charge punch

Its MUCH easier to do the instant edgehog this way. It turns the instant edgehog into a technique that IMO is of a similar technical difficulty to moonwalking, if not slightly easier as it pretty much just mastering the quarter turn thats the hard part. You also have a little more time to cancel the punch as you remain closer to the stage than if you had run off.

Anyways, give it a shot

peace out

It sounds complicated

 

[dark_dragon8]

DK's instant edgehog is a sexy technique. Its stylish and certainly has it applications in smash.

However, its so freaking hard to do consistantly that its hardly worth learning.

The main problem is that its especially difficult to time the edgehog correctly and combining it with a reverse instant charge canceled punch makes even the most advanced apects of Fox's tech game feel like a walk in the park.

So, the remedy is to make it easier to perfrom. So what you do is:

1: Run at the edge
2: Slam down just before you reach the edge - This way you will crouch and slide off the edge
3: Move the control stick a quarter turn towards the stage (This should follow the crouch all in one motion)
4: Quickly let go of the stick and cancel a charge punch

Its MUCH easier to do the instant edgehog this way. It turns the instant edgehog into a technique that IMO is of a similar technical difficulty to moonwalking, if not slightly easier as it pretty much just mastering the quarter turn thats the hard part. You also have a little more time to cancel the punch as you remain closer to the stage than if you had run off.

Anyways, give it a shot

peace out

It sounds complicated

Just from the sound of this, doesn't this automatically make the characters who have charge moves that are cancelled by L or R in the air able to do this too? Sounds good, but just to be sure, when do you start the punch?

 

[James Sparrow]

Any way you could get any sort of video or other visual aid?

 

[King Kong]

No, i've tried doing it with other characters and DK's the only one who's B move cancels quickly enough. You start the punch just after the quarter turn, just after you slide off the ledge.

James S, I'll try to get it on film sometime, but I dont have a camera and its the middle of exams..... so the quickest I could do it would be in a week or so.

peace out

 

[x4FoSho4x]

its not hard i can do it consistently now thanks to you king kong. just make sure immidately after you do the moonwalk motion charge cancel as fast as u can

 

[James Sparrow]

Ah don't worry about it then. I will just try to do it from the instructions. I can moonwalk very well so this might come easy.

 

[Buttcrust]

Hmm, I'll have to try this for sure when I get my GC back. Thanks KK.

 

[phanna]

I don't know about this technique, but I do know that every character can instant-edgehog by just walking full-speed at the edge, and turning toward the level right as they slide off the level. Is this technique superior enough to warrant the technicality of it?

 

[James Sparrow]

It seems like this technique would allow for a broader window of accuracy. I too have heard of/done the instant hog by walking and turning at the precise time, but that's pretty hard to do consistently.

 

[King Kong]

I don't know about this technique, but I do know that every character can instant-edgehog by just walking full-speed at the edge, and turning toward the level right as they slide off the level. Is this technique superior enough to warrant the technicality of it?

The main problem I had with doing the normal IE was the timing, and that timing is also what makes that 'pivot' edgehog you described so tough to do. This way you have a consistant and (relatively) simple method for grabbing the edge.

Well, I figured it has similar as Yoshi's since they are about the same speed. It would therefore have the same applications as Yoshi's edgehog (Baiting out sweetspotting marths and unwary space animals) it also gives DK an 'escape' move and above all its flashy as hell.
The other thing is that it speeds up DK's edgeguarding game to an extent and provides more options.

Its also not that hard, give it a couple weeks of casual practise and you'd have it.

Lets also not forget it was TT who invented it - respect

peace out

 

[halfDemon]

Very nice find, KK. I'll be practicing this tomorrow.

 

[Zettai Kurayami]

Sounds pretty good to me, time to go try it

 

[Wilhelmsan]

Lets also not forget it was TT who invented it - respect

Very nice find, KK.

I've done this only a couple of times in friendlies, but one time it actually completed my charge and I ledgehopped a full charge punch on Sheik. Pretty sexy.

 

[Gkryptonite]

Sorry if I'm being difficult but I'm not understanding this. What exactly does the quarter turn on the control stick do?

Can someone explain this to me because I really want to get this down

 

[King Kong]

Sorry if I'm being difficult but I'm not understanding this. What exactly does the quarter turn on the control stick do?

Can someone explain this to me because I really want to get this down

The quarter turn towards the stage means that you are holding towards the stage the moment you slide off. As such, when you press B you turn around, then when you cancel it you grab the ledge.

I just found that the quarter turn makes it easier to time this technique since it can be done in one motion.

peace out

 

[Tron V2.0]

wow, very nice move. I can do it about once every three tries now but i'm getting there. This is alot faster but alot harder than the up-b edgegrab and looks soooo slick, the only problem is that if you mess up, you'll either press side b and harmllesly up b back on to the edge, or you'll fall to your death.

I've noticed that you can't cancel the charge instantly. You'd have to hit Z or R about 0.25 seconds after you charge the b with donkey so it looks like he pulls his fist back and brings it forward. There should be no shining on the fist.

I've also noticed that you have to press down very near to the edge because of donkey kongs poor sliding. The sliding is actually crucial for his move to be pulled off or else DK won't fall slow enough for the charge cancel to work.

That is all I have to say on this subject and I hope this helped a little bit.

 

[King Kong]

wow, very nice move. I can do it about once every three tries now but i'm getting there. This is alot faster but alot harder than the up-b edgegrab and looks soooo slick, the only problem is that if you mess up, you'll either press side b and harmllesly up b back on to the edge, or you'll fall to your death.

I've noticed that you can't cancel the charge instantly. You'd have to hit Z or R about 0.25 seconds after you charge the b with donkey so it looks like he pulls his fist back and bring it forward. There should be no shining on the fist.

I've also noticed that you have to press down very near to the edge because of donkey kongs poor sliding. The sliding is actually crucial for his to be pulled off or else DK won't fall slow enough for the charge cancel to work.

That is all I have to say on this subject and I hope this helped a little bit.

Yeah thats exactly right, the slide gives you a little more time to cancel the punch. If you do this the normal way its impossibly hard.

peace out

 

[Mouf_From_Da_Souf]

cool cant wait to SD in important matchez wit this

 

[King Kong]

cool cant wait to SD in important matchez wit this

At least you'll go down in style

peace out

 

[Tron V2.0]

At least you'll go down in style

peace out

omg lol 2 funny XD

(Man...how come all these topics are appearing about DK right after the news of BUM was spread. I mean the threads for DK were barren before BUM arrived, there was even a thread about there not being any threads here...wierd... it's like BUM was fuel for a rocket ship... i bet he could be if he tried)

 

[BUM163]

lol naa i'm no rocket.i'm gonna start recordin more matches in ny n hopefully go 2 otha places.i'm tryin 2 go 2 fc

 

[YoshiKongBarkley3000]

sounds hard it sound complicated to do.

 

[Nokonoko]

Incidentally, about how soon after starting to charge should I be able to cancel? One swing?

 

[YoshiKongBarkley3000]

i think i tried it once and i air dodged acidentally and fell 2 my death.

 

[King Kong]

Incidentally, about how soon after starting to charge should I be able to cancel? One swing?

Before you even swing once you should be able to cancel it.

Have you checked out the Australian thread yet?

peace out

 

[Nokonoko]

Before you even swing once you should be able to cancel it.

Have you checked out the Australian thread yet?

Guess I just need to try it out in Training Mode, and get an idea of how to do it properly.

As for the thread, I might go and check it out now. Thanks!

 

[YoshiKongBarkley3000]

this is hard i keep trying it but to no sucess. LOL

 

[Kwan]

Before you even swing once you should be able to cancel it.

Have you checked out the Australian thread yet?

peace out

Australian thread?

searched and came up with nothing

 

[King Kong]

Australian thread?

searched and came up with nothing

Its in Regional Zones.

peace out

 

[Itakio]

No, i've tried doing it with other characters and DK's the only one who's B move cancels quickly enough. You start the punch just after the quarter turn, just after you slide off the ledge.

James S, I'll try to get it on film sometime, but I dont have a camera and its the middle of exams..... so the quickest I could do it would be in a week or so.

peace out

Sheik can do an instant edgehog, I looked it up and found this. It's hard to see, but I'm pretty sure I can spot Sheik's arm go up like she was a-chargin' her needelz.

The thread needed bumping anyway. XP

 

[abit_rusty]

So, wait, basically you do a moonwalk motion as you fall off but when you are doing the turn, your charge punch will flip you around? Do you do the quarter turn before or after you fall off? I can see it is sort of like a mini-reversal charge punch + cancel.

 

[halfDemon]

You do it right after you slide; there isn't even enough time in between to say after or before falling off.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

You can do it with sheik too, and ive done it. its really hard with her. ill see how it works with dk. the only other char you could do it with is Mewtwo, tho i think it would be faster and easier to run off and upb sweetspot.

 

[ryquil]

Sweet find, gonna go practice now XD

 

[Gkryptonite]

Yes, I finally got this down fairly consistently, and I gotta say it looks great. Definetly a great tool and worth the practice

It makes your upB edgegaurding game much better