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DDD vs Bowser is bad for Bowser either way, that doesn't stop good bowsers from winning this matchup against other good DDDs in tourneys does it? There's obviously something that they're doing that you fail to do.
It can be compressed more when there's cause for it. There's no cause for it here because the strategy can be beaten and HAS been beaten. It just takes much more effort on your part.
Why it needs a ban.
Why because you decided that? Don't say ban like it's a terrible thing, you don't choke the game. You take out items, stages and techniques as it would require. Somehow people gasp when I say take out techniques. I doubt I'll understand why any time soon.
Considering there's no actual way to tell how close they're skill level was to yours without all things being balanced out, this point doesn't really hold at all. For example Mario vs. Mario. It doesn't prove the winner is better with Mario, it proves the winner was better at Mario vs. Mario. There's so many factors into things like this, the general best player would be decided with a tournament and these tournaments should be fitted or "choked" as a more negative sounding word to what would decide skill the most. "Using your best character against other people's best character." Although things go wrong in tourneys that mess up who would actually win. Like tiers for example, you don't just use the same character as the opponent and assume the person who won has the most skill. At the same time, you can't ban a character either, because of the people who mained that character. As much as people try to avoid it, feelings are taken into consideration.
There is also a way around MK's infinite dimensional cape, as well as infinites against walls (which stages are banned for) Even items. Does that mean it shouldn't be banned?
Samus can rack up alot of damage in strange ways, sometimes very quickly. it is possible to go an entire match w/o being grabbed, and you can escape it if you do get grabbed. i myself have not done this b/c i am not good enough to do so.
No, it's not. The better player does not always win. It's a bad matchup, you're using the character with the disadvantage, you must deal. If you used a character on even ground with them, and you were the better player, sure you'd win. Picking the character that's vulnerable to the infinite is handicapping yourself. That's the way it works.
It is choking the game. You take out items and stages because they harbor random occurences. Random occurences aren't good for competition. Period.
Quite the contrary. If a Mario wins against a DDD that has full knowledge of the infinite, the Mario is undoubtedly the better player. This is a bad matchup. If the Mario player wins with this handicap, there's no other conclusion other than the Mario being a better player.
Sorry, It's not. Don't feel bad, I thought this too only a few months back.
Clever there, but no. These are completely different. Walls mean pick DDD or lose. They limit the game for EVERY character instead of just 5, which is also part of why it won't be banned. There's no counterpicking other than picking DDD and hoping that you get the grab first. Competition is limited far too much in this case, so stages with walls are banned.
I assumed you were because you're so zealously arguing against them. My assumption isn't really ill-placed because of your standpoint here.
You still don't explain how you expect to be able to hit Dedede with tons of projectiles, yet he can't hit you. Saying Samus can rack up damage in wierd ways doesn't subsitute as a reason. Samus is ranked low, is that because she's bad or because people have an easy counter-pick against her with Dedede? Both of these arn't going to exist next to eachother. You can't escape once your grabbed. The reason the Ice Climbers won't be bad without they're infinite is because they don't always get it set up and they can always do alright without it. Can you be more clear on what you mean by CG, call it infinite from now on, it's been bothering me. Also, more standards have to be met for their infinite to work other than just grab them and down throw.
You could just not let him get in first, he doesn't win at 0%.
Of course I know the better player does not always win, that's why I'm discussing this. I've gone over the counter-picks issue earlier. Put simply, it's unfair to make someone else have to train with a counter-pick while someone else doesn't have to just because one player had the misfortune of Sakurai poorly balancing Dedede to make their best character bad against him. Banning it makes the match-up fair. Why is that bad? Much smaller things than this have been fixed into the rules.
Note that all random occurences are avoidable and therefore fair according to you people. Extremely one-sided match-ups are bad for competition too, because I want to main someone who has moderatly bad match-ups, I have to know that doing good with that character is near impossible because I'd have to pick up a new character to do it? Banning it would prevent that.
Yeah, because items are real serious. The better player usually wins with items on, usually the better player wins sudden death, but it's banned because "usually" isn't good enough. By "no infinites" everyone has in mind, no re-grabs because it's impossible to do an infinite even if they are allowed. You don't need to do it infinitely, you just need to do it until a back-throw would kill them.
Olimar is still expected high-tier despite having his recovery as his weakest point. Olimar can handle every character match-up without having one of them destroy him. Yeah, because an infiniting Dedede can be beaten with "a little practice."
That and beyond.
What would this contribute?
Been explained.
Close-range attacks will get you grabbed. If she's just flat-out bad then she has a hard time not getting grabbed by Dedede. Which is why I brought it up.
When I brought this up I was referring to Dedede, I said lots of times that I don't know a lot about the IC's. Why should he do something else? If you approach he shield grabs, if you don't he'll just come after you. Regardless of character you can't stay away from the match the whole time (unless your MK or something.)
If you think AT's make a game, then I'm showing there's depth beyond what you know. If I know AT's is irrelevant. To think that a new player could beat someone who's good at the game isn't passing here, you have the wrong idea. Even in Pong that doesn't happen.
If the better characters got the most benefit from it, why are you talking about it? If that's true they should just destroy harder than they already did. Then a tier list would be established showing the worth of each character with the technique, nothing changed.
Because you can tell everything will be found out just because Brawl has more people playing it. Wing refreshing, cargo stage spike, cape glide, glide toss, infinite dimensional cape, Snake sliding, gliding, crawling, wall cling. I wasn't sure what you meant by the last sentance so I just named things that are useful.
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Was that targeted at me?
Because that's not why things are banned, plain and simple. If the infinite worked on more than just those 5, I'll bet it would be banned. Until then, it's only seen as 5 bad matchups.
The matchup isn't near impossible. People win these matchups all the time because they know to be wary of them. MK is more of a threat for most of these characters than DDD. You just need to know the matchup well and have experience with it.
So you kill DDD's chaingrab instead when there are perfectly good strategies on trumping the infinite?
Your point? I never questioned Olimar's viability as a tourney character, I was using his bad recovery as an example. I would've just as soon used Link's. Keep my quotes in context.
Sorry for double post, but it was neccesary:
actually, IIRC, he's been quite busy lately.
