Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[#HBC | J]

Why are you even entertaining the idea for Ran that you're scum J?

Even if I know for a fact he is wrong, any info is good info. It also might convince me more to see what he brings to whether he is town or mafia. His play this game has been scummy and I just cannot believe his claim whatsoever. Also I get really annoyed when people say someone is scummy without a reason. (however I may be looking like a hypocrite with DH atm but I will explain that when I am not V/LA)

I dunno... Dark Horse is ok I guess. Neither of these lynches, imo, give much information on a town flip. So we just lynch the one that's most likely to flip scum.

Dark Horse has acted like Dark Horse all game. I've gotten mixed reads on him all game.
Sir Bed/Tom has acted non-existent all game. I've gotten almost no reads on him at all.

Either lynch is perfectly fine, I suppose.

Then who should we lynch to provide info? I mean why are you just like "meh let's lynch them idc but idk but idc but idk...."

Also your last line is weird. "They are perfectly fine, i suppose." That defeats the purpose of it being perfectly fine if you say "I suppose." at the end of it. It seems like you are being hesitant to doing a thing.

I'll be waiting for Kuz and J's cases on me.

My case will come when I am back fully from V/LA until then you will sit tight and enjoy. Kuzi's case should come however. TBH You are the most scummiest out of the bunch including claims.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Everyone playing too soft.

Put your money vote where your mouth is.

 

[#HBC | J]

*looks where my vote is*

What in the heck are you talking about?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I was talking about everyone else but you.

if anything i was backing ur point up.

duh

 

[#HBC | J]

You are.....unique th3kuzi to say the least.

<3 ya but it's true duder.

 

[Delvro]

All right fine ok ok. Hope this makes you happy.

Vote: Dark Horse

I'm acting the way I am because I really don't have any big scum targets anymore. I still don't like KY's claim but he's been acting fairly townie and had Tandora's vote. Dunno. I guess with two scum and zero townies dead I don't really feel the pressure.

 

[#HBC | J]

So you currently have no scum reads whatsoever?

Also I really hope you did not just do that vote to please me or th3kuzi.

 

[th3kuzinator]

yeah I hope you did only to please me, J deserves none of that affection!

 

[#HBC | J]

Can I like hit you?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swords was the evidence I presented enough to warrant a DH lynch? He is currently at L-3, you should vote for him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

People are being kinda dumb about Ran. He's not scum, really. The only reason I would suspect him to be scum at this point is if some other protective role claimed at this point. Guys, ask yourselfs some important questions about his claim:

-If he were actually scum fakeclaiming, would he claim to have protected Vocal? You all have to admit, why would scum NOT say that they protected someone more important? You could say that his teammates told him to claim doc way earlier if it came to it, but I like to think that X1 and Tanny would think that Ran saying he protected J would make more sense, and thus would of told him to say he protected someone else (like J). You might say they would use WIFOM, but who would seriously think that far ahead?
-Is him claiming a less important character really that scummy? Who wants to bet that there is no other Jumper character in this game? So then what does it matter that he's not the most important character? Flavor is not something to be looking at.

I'm keeping my vote on Tom so that we he gets back in here he'll see that at least someone still suspects him. Otherwise I would vote for DH.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that DH acting like DH doesn't really mean anything in relation to his alignment. He could very well be just acting like himself and still be scum. Idk why DH "acting like DH" would give us permission to automatically pin him as town.

Still rereading.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

ninja'd

Idk Kuz, I'm still rereading at this point. I'll get back to you soonish. Right now I'll take a DH or KY lynch toDay, maybe Tom.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@kuz

1. Only the jumper can jump
2. That was an implication that you and J hadn't made, at the time, jack**** against me, and were only pushing for my lynch.

Also, do you still believe X1's interactions with you make you town?

 

[th3kuzinator]

1. Flavor. Un-imporant.
2. Should have been obvious anyway. Regardless, don't beat a dead horse (wow that was an awesome pun)

No.

 

[-Vocal-]

Alright guys, still reading through everything that I've missed. I've so far made it up to page 27 out of 36 (40ppp) so I've still got quite a bit of reading to still do, but I do have a question (if it hasn't already been answered in the forthcoming pages):

Why aren't people voting Tandora? She contributed next to nothing yesterday and has continued to contribute next to nothing today, from what I've seen so far. I gave her a little bit of leniency yesterday when she said that was her playstyle but that carrying into today is just unacceptable. Opinions?

Keep in mind, I DO still have many more pages to read. I also have other things to say about other people, but that will be coming in my mega post later on.

I'm leaving for call in a couple minutes so it's likely I won't be making that post until after midnight tonight, if at all tonight. I really am sorry that my show has put a halt on my activity, but I promise I will be caught up and contributing by no later than tomorrow afternoon.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vocal, tandora was scum and she got modkilled. You were right about her

before you leave vote Dark Horse

 

[th3kuzinator]

for reasoning look at 1398 and 1400

 

[Delvro]

yeah I hope you did only to please me, J deserves none of that affection!

I did it just to please you. =3

also forgot unvoting rules if that counts.

Unvote Vote: Dark Horse

But really, he seems to be the best lynch. Him or Tom. Not great choices, but I can see them both being scum, unlike many other players in the game at this time.

 

[th3kuzinator]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11998673&postcount=421

Read towards the bottom of this post

Dark Horse, what do you think about X1's auto-clear of you?

Nothing much.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12007715&postcount=493

Only other stance post he throws out the entirety of D1. Says he is okay with Kuz or Kirb lynch. Says nothing about wanting to lynch X1.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12011739&postcount=537

Got butthurt over being tied to X1 in this fashion and made sure that his play was disassociated with X1's. "I have up Kuz but X1 moved off of him, therefore I am not making connections with X1."

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12011741&postcount=538

proof of butthurt. Seems like someone made a point he did not like.



The point I am trying to make is that, Dark Horse's main two scum reads were me and kirbyoshi. Although he made a couple posts that hinted at X1 being slightly scummy, he always masked them with "but we need to lynch Kuz first, cuz he is way more scummy." These light accusations + other scum picks may not be telling in itself, but then, simply when J says

Let's see DH votes for X1.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12028785&postcount=764

Here comes Dark Horse. No further explanation for that vote, despite X1 not even being his scum pick and no questioning J as to why he should change his vote. He is definitely going toDay. Too scummy.

Cello also had a strong read on him and wanted us to look into DH for toDay. I did a few isos and a general re-read and I must say Dark Horse is an excellent candidate. Not to mention, I trust town Cello's reads.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kuz, that was right before the deadline. X1 seemed to be the play, so he needed everyone's vote. Thus, I voted him.

How many times have you been around near a deadline?

As for Ran, it was because, if he was reading, I wasn't blindly following X1. The lack of connections was entirely by coincidence

Also, why has your "Ignores scumbuddies" read on X1 suddenly changed?

Also, by blindly following cello, you're using a logical fallacy that is related to 7for7, basically saying "This guy's good at catching scum, let's follow him", although he probably messed up his scum read on rockin. You seem to make no note of the last bit.

 

[Ronike]

Vote count when I can, but note with tan dead it actually takes 6 to lynch

 

[Kirbyoshi]

The lack of connections was entirely by coincidence

Lololol

Unvote (if applicable)
Vote: Dark Horse

Your defenses are horrendous. Play better, scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

From the time I brought up that kirbyoshi quote, DH, you have been hesitant to vote for anyone.

Since I seem to have destroyed this read, do you have any anyone else that you think is scum? Last I remember, Nabe asked you this same question and you just told him to "read the thread."

Or can you not come up with any other reads, because you know that all of them are doomed to a townie lynch.

You're at L-2. Since I know you hate L-1 as you are afraid of being put in "hammer range," why don't you save us the trouble and claim now.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

*sighs*

Jake sully, disabeled townie: I cannot hammer

 

[th3kuzinator]

Whats your punishment if you do? Does the vote not count or do you receive a strike of some sort?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Both, I get a strike and it doesn't count

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If Vocal faked 1415 then he's better than I'd give him credit for. Treating it as the super-town tell that it looks like. Keep rereading though.

Don't like 1422 one bit. Kirbs has been phoning in activity not just all Day, but all game.

 

[th3kuzinator]

K then DH, how about you "hammer" our next scum pick

if the hammer goes through you're not legit and we lynch you the next Day. If not, we will assume Ronike would not have given such a hindering role to scum player and get on with our lives.

That or we lynch you now to see if you're legit.

Tell us now if you are lying, you wont get another chance.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Nabe, kirbyoshi or tom? I'm down with both.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Also, cop the remaining survivor of Tom/Kirbyoshi.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Nabe, kirbyoshi or tom? I'm down with both.

Extending this question to everyone

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I think we should be voting Tom right now, to give him a sense of urgency. Also the fact that DH has an "anti-town" PR makes me more willing to believe KY's "anti-town" PR.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote
Vote Tom

Swords, do you agree with my sentiment for DH to "hammer" our next L-1 candidate? The hammer wont go through if DH is telling the truth and we can lynch him the next Day if it does. Pretty safe way to clear a townie.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

It's definitely a good way to find out if he actually has that role, but it wouldn't completely clear him. Who knows? Maybe he has this disadvantage as scum?

Although the fact that KY also has an anti-town PR makes me less likely to believe this.

I say we get Tom to L_1 right now and have DH "hammer." If it doesn't go through then that will definitely help clear him. However, if it does, well, then we lynch him toMarrow (assuming that Tom isn't scum >.>).

Sounds like a win win to me.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Eeeehhhh. 2 hammer-related restrictions? Why, Ronike, whyyyyyyy?????

Checking to see what Tom is at in terms of L-?. Vote may be coming. I seriously don't know who could be scum anymore. But keep in mind that TD/Nabe is a claimed VT. I believe the only one.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Tom lynch is probably where we'll end up, despite ourselves. I'd have much preferred a lynch of Kirbs or Rockin; Kirbs especially since he'll need to go before Lylo, and the sooner the better since he's not helping now. Tom vote doesn't do a whole lot without him being here to see the votes. I replaced Tom in Bear and Fish after he only made one post throughout Day 1, and I'm wondering if he hasn't just forgotten he replaced in to begin with.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I would be down with kirbyoshi.

Dark Horse "hammering him" and cop investigating tom.

Pretty freaking good use of our extra modkill Day if I do say so myself.

 

[th3kuzinator]

and tom is at L-4

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kuz, kith would have to hammer himself

 

[th3kuzinator]

In his next post.

If he does not post at all, it does not matter.

Regardless, if he is town or scum, he wont self hammer if he wants to live.

You are not adverse to testing your restriction out right, dh?