Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[th3kuzinator]

From my reread I would say Swords is looking fine.

People who were not surprised (in thread) by J's execution of X1-12

DH
Vocal
Kirbyoshi

Oh hey, three of my top picks (and the 4th one not even posting at the time, wooho!)

What scum would react in thread about the execution of their scum buddy?

I would also like to believe that Rockin is town. I actually did forget that X-1 flipped watcher, but wouldn't scum rocking know his Partner's role and not fake claim it? That or he thought he could get away with it because scum flipped watcher.

IDK, I would still be okay with a rockin lynch after the others.

and actually upon re-read of the specific passage where J asked everyone to vote for X1, I would also be down with a DH lynch. Mad scummy yo.

Tom/DH/Kirby toDay!

Tom pressure first?. He is only at L-4.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Mod: In your opinion, has Vocal earned a prod?

 

[th3kuzinator]

and tom for that matter.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

What does mafia tricker do? Is it like Godfather?

@Mod: Request Tom prod

Vocal might need a prod but I'm sure that Tom definitly needs one.

 

[th3kuzinator]

it might be like godfather for a flavor cop.

that or i have no idea

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay then. I ask because I'm worried about there still being a Godfather out there. I ggive everyone a word of caution that we may not be able to relay on the cop investigation if we have reason to believe that there is just a role out there.

 

[th3kuzinator]

i also just found a use for the useless flavor

Sold2 the BP townie was lynched D2

Two BP townies in a small game? unlikely.

Either Ran successfully protected Vocal or we got a re-director/sidekick/bus driver thing doing on who guessed the vocal was dying. It is a ronike setup, so I would not put it by him. However, take a look at this.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12034308&postcount=852

Last post of Day1. Vocal says hes going to be looking into Tando the next Day. Scum did not want this happening and thought Vocal was not looking townie enough (with all the J claiming executioner and hitting scum) to get the Doc protect. Thus they tried to pick him off early. Ran guess right.

Makes sense IMO

Definitely want to look at Dark Horse/Tom/Kirbyoshi before Vocal.

 

[Ronike]

Tom and Vocal are both a few hours short of where I can prod them. I have been keeping an eye out for both on aim, but have yet to see either. If they haven't posted by tomorrow morning, Ill prod them.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

kuz.

Sold2 was not actually lynched.

It was a dream.

Because this is actually Inception Mafia.

My theory about the flavor is that the Inception characters are attempting an "inception" on each of the rest of us. That explains why we're all together, and why both scum have flipped Inception characters, and it also explains the crazy stuff Ronike posted after the deaths.

If that's not enough proof, try to explain the change in the name of this game. "Nice Point" is an anagram of "Inception." It's not a coincidence.

Bottom line: D1 and D2 never actually existed, and therefore any "wagon analysis" or "D1/D2 flavor" is useless and should be discarded as such. I thought we had determined it was useless before RVS was even over, but whatevs. People get stubborn.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Worth noting that the flips have all been edited to contain anagrams of Inception. That is to say, they already contained anagrams of Inception, and then those anagrams were shuffled.

I wouldn't mind a full character claim while we're waiting for people to show themselves. Not likely to bear any fruit in the Day game, but if we have a character cop or similar the info could be beneficial to keep on the table. And characters seem to have no bearing on PRs; that is to say that roles make sense with flavour, but since we don't know the setup there's no danger of being caught out by scum when anyone could be VT.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I get what everyone is saying about the useless flavor, but lets not totally discount it. Still I feel my point on Vocal makes enough sense that scum would try and NK him, thus, Ran's protection was legit.

I would be fine with mass character claiming. What does everyone else think about it. Granted scum probably has a character safe claim, but if its not one of the major characters in a movie we could pretty much snuff him out.

Can we get some more tom votes up in here? Still at L-4

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I would be fine with mass character claiming. What does everyone else think about it. Granted scum probably has a character safe claim, but if its not one of the major characters in a movie we could pretty much snuff him out.

Not reaaaaaalllly. I'm going to go out on a whim and assume that everyone who isn't scum was given a role from a different movie. That said, everyone who isn't scum is probably a major/the main character from their respective movies, so it would be easy enough for scum to have safeclaims that are from a completely different movie where they are a major/the main character. So yeah, food for thought.

Not saying that I'm against a massclaim, mind you, just that that reasoning is probably incorrect. At this point my opinion of mass claiming is null. I don't care either way.

I need to reread.

Also flavor is nice and all, and even kind of fun tbh, but it's no substitute for scum hunting. So yeah.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I realized all of that. I was commented on the odd-chance that the safe claims were not main characters from movies which would help us distinguish. The main reason for character claiming is for a flavor cop.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J:

I'm not worried I simply wanted to know why. Back up your accusation with reasoning. You always say "Oh I'll be back later with a case" Stalling.

I'll get to the rest of these posts but do not say that I am stalling whatsoever. I have declared V/LA because I am extremely busy. You like twisting words don't you.

Ran, would you mind re-posting 1294 with quotes from J? The way you did it really confuses me.

Also, you took "I wouldn't mind lynching Ran, but I'd prefer kuz" as "OMG RAN IS SCUM LYNCH HIM EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT VOTING FOR HIM LULZ". That's how you were nitpicking. Or maybe that's not the right word. Maybe I mean the exact opposite (as in, maybe you didn't look at his post hard enough). The point is, it's a form of twisting.

^Agree alot with the interperation of this.

I'm the doc. I protected Vocal. That is why I have been asking Kuz about Vocal and me. The end.

Griffin from Jumper.

Alright this is complete bull this claim.

Griffin isn't even the main character in the Jumper movie, David Rice is and his love interest in the movie is Millie. Griffin is the OTHER jumper that David finds to help him fight the evil off in the movie and has his own backstory. Griffin got his own video game to explain this past but David was the entire movie.

Also Griffin is in no way a Doctor. He is a rouge who lives on his own jumping from different places to different places protecting NO ONE but himself.

Seriously look at the claims so far that we do know.

Jack Sparrow, VT - Pirates of the Carribean (Main Character)
Batman, Watcher - If you really need a movie for this you need help. Anyways Watcher makes sense for Batman since he watches over Gotham city and protects from evil with his utter bad*** ness. (Main Character)
Leonidas, One-Shot Executioner - 300 (Main Character)
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Suicidal Townie - Star Wars (derp) (There are alot of Main Characters in this movie but Obi-Wan and Luke Skywalker are the two big ones *Obi-Wan appears in all of the movies so he is a more prominent character then Luke Skywalker*. Probably followed by R2-D2 or C3PO maybe even Anakin but lol Villain much.)
Griffin, "doctor" - Jumper (NOT Main Character)

Am I the only movie buff here? With the claims we have we can obviously see the one who is lieing. Ran even covered his butt by saying he protected Vocal of all people which makes absolutely no sense. A normal doctor would have protected me. I can't explain the no NK but seriously why has no one pointed out the flaw in all the claims we have? We have 5 claims and one out of them doesn't add up. What does this mean?

Unvote (for emphasis)
Vote: Ranmaru

He's lieing.

 

[#HBC | J]

There is another possibilty but he could be the Mafia Doctor. The only thing I can't explain is the No NK. However all signs point to that Ran is lieing.

 

[th3kuzinator]

unvote
vote ranmaru

Probably the most important rule of them all. Do NOT get flavour crazy. You will get burned.

unvote
vote tom

 

[#HBC | J]

I hate you Kuzi. That's from my game.

Also were you not just the one who said we should be mass-character claiming to see if anyone is not the main characters/obvious safe-claims? Why are you now going against that when it's obvious?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because Ranmaru, the last scum left, would not fake claim doctor. Mafia doctor is a possibility, but they are usually in larger games and there is also usually a town doctor in those games as well.

Vocal would be a likely choice for the NK, we just don't know Ran's reasoning for docing him.

He would not risk fake claiming Doc and if there are no CCs, focus your attention elsewhere. We are lynching one of DH/Kirby/Tom toDay.

Vote Tom, he has only posted once this entire game, and we don't have enough info from the Sir Bed slot to go on.

 

[-Vocal-]

I apologize all for disappearing for the past couple days. Yesterday was the opening of the show I'm in and practically all of my time leading up to it was leeched, leaving me little time of my own. I haven't read anything that's happened since I last posted, but I will try to catch back up within the next 2-3 hours, including posting my thoughts on who is worthy of attention.

 

[#HBC | J]

Whatever, if I am right again like that other game you and I were in, I'm gonna have a chat with ya. Kay? Btw you're still on my list of people I am keeping an eye on. Kuzi, what game have you been in with a mafia doctor? If none how would you know? Also why is Vocal the "likely" choice for the NK again.

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

^Better choice out of KY/Tom.

Tom is just the inactive and why would we lynch him if we get no info whatsoever from his flip? What do you hop to gain from his lynch? Do you have any reason besides process of elimination and inactivity? If so, bring up why Tom/Sir B is scum.

Ran, next post you will be explaining why you did not protect me last night.

 

[ranmaru]

The thought of you being townie came into my mind, but I was still suspicious of you. But, scum would think you or Cello would be protected, so I just picked someone who I think scum would think as a "Free Kill".

So I protected vocal.

Yeah... I'm the doc. My protect would be as follows:

Jump: Name

And no, I don't know anything about my flavor.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also if someone can tell me either of these two things I would be obliged:

Tom>Kirbyoshi = why?

Tom>Dark Horse = why?

Why do I smell the OMGUS that is about to come from Ranmaru for not believing his claim for a second?

 

[#HBC | J]

hmm I need to get my nose checked then I guess.

Ran, that suspiscion of me still holds true correct?

Do you trust me or th3kuzi more? In which being the question will you vote for either Dark Horse or Tom.

You can pretty much guess the sides of where you are placing your vote.

 

[Delvro]

All right guys, I think it's nearly certain that the mafia has safe claims.

All of our claims so far have been big characters from big movies. Except Ranmaru's claim, according to J (I am a complete moron when it comes to movies, but even I know my character). Mine is no exception.

If a 3 member mafia team didn't have safe claims, man the last mafia member would be so screwed in this game.

So I doubt that any claim in this game will be countered. However, Ranmaru doesn't seem like a good lynch (for now) because nearly every game has a town doctor or SOME protective role. If someone popped up and claimed Jailer or something I might be more willing to lynch either Ranmaru or that guy.

At this point I'm honestly willing to lynch Tom purely for his (and Sir Bedevere's) outrageous inactivity.

UNVOTE

....but I would like to see his claim before I do it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Delvro I thought you would be more logical with where you are placing your vote.

Why not Dark Horse over Tom?

What do you, personally, see benefitting from a Tom lynch over a DH lynch?

 

[ranmaru]

J, I'd rather lynch Kuz. And Deff Kirb/You over Tom/DH.

 

[th3kuzinator]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost....&postcount=852

Last post of Day1. Vocal says hes going to be looking into Tando the next Day. Scum did not want this happening and thought Vocal was not looking townie enough (with all the J claiming executioner and hitting scum) to get the Doc protect. Thus they tried to pick him off early. Ran guess right.

Makes sense IMO

Definitely want to look at Dark Horse/Tom/Kirbyoshi before Vocal.

read the end of all stars

Unvote
Vote Dark Horse

fine with me. cop tom/kirbyoshi

 

[th3kuzinator]

lynching tom is dumb actually because we wont get reads out of the flip, just someone who has left no connections to anyone.

cop him.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, I'd rather lynch Kuz. And Deff Kirb/You over Tom/DH.

Build cases on the following please.

th3kuzi
J - claimed/proven by mod Town One-Shot Executioner
Kirbyoshi - claimed Suicidal Townie

Thank you in advanced. If you do not do as such it is a confession of you having no case on these three.

read the end of all stars

Unvote
Vote Dark Horse

fine with me. cop tom/kirbyoshi

I was in All Stars hence why I was asking. So you know for a fact that is how every game should go and that is only one example and a game that was in itself extremely bizarre and one of a kind.

lynching tom is dumb actually because we wont get reads out of the flip, just someone who has left no connections to anyone.

*insert derp here*

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually I can prove the entire case you have on me like so:

OMGUS for calling me scum.

What else have ya got?

 

[th3kuzinator]

The fact that were even was a mafia doctor made the game bizzare.

I did not even want to have to explain it because I thought it was self-explanatory, but there is no mafia doctor.

Mafia doctors are for games with large amounts of death at night due to Mafia + Vig/Sk or both. The existence of all those killing roles in a 13 man game is rediculous. Also there is only 1 mafia left, if he was the doctor why would he not protect Tanny last Night? The fact that no one died + Vocal was allegedly protected makes sense.

Why are you even entertaining the idea for Ran that you're scum J?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just ignore Ran at this point, he is grasping at straws. Hes lucky hes in a semi-confirmed town PR spot.

@MOD, votecount please.

also prod time for tom, yes?

 

[Delvro]

Delvro I thought you would be more logical with where you are placing your vote.

Why not Dark Horse over Tom?

What do you, personally, see benefitting from a Tom lynch over a DH lynch?

I dunno... Dark Horse is ok I guess. Neither of these lynches, imo, give much information on a town flip. So we just lynch the one that's most likely to flip scum.

Dark Horse has acted like Dark Horse all game. I've gotten mixed reads on him all game.
Sir Bed/Tom has acted non-existent all game. I've gotten almost no reads on him at all.

Either lynch is perfectly fine, I suppose.

 

[th3kuzinator]

The way Dark Horse handled getting on X1's wagon for the execution bothers me.

He is a fine candidate.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Assuming we have a mafia doctor...though that would make sense for the indy kill to be blocked, 2 docs and an indy SK would make this game just about impossible for the indy.

I'll be waiting for Kuz and J's cases on me.

Jump: Name

That makes your claim even less believable. "Jumping" in jump is teleporting. Would make no sense for a protecting ability.

 

[Rockin]

Rockin could you quote your breadcrumbs please and point out how they were breadcrumbs in a single post?

Here are your breadcrumbs, Sworddancer

In DBZ Mafia, the mechanic of it is different from what it is right now (due to the other game was a lv. up system), but basically every night, they pose as a player and visits them.

Let's say you're a trickster, right? You can transform to any player that's currently playing (or a dead one, me thinks, but I see no uses there). Now let's say I'm a watcher, and you transform to Vocal, and do the kill on Kirbyyoshi (who I would be watching). Basically, I would see that VOCAL visited and killed KY and not you at all (cause you're in disguise).

Basically, the role is meant to **** over/confuse certain investigative roles like that.

This was when I was explaining to TD about the trickster role and what it does. I could've used a cop as an example, or a tracker as an example (and thus would think that I've been bussed).

From my reread I would say Swords is looking fine.

People who were not surprised (in thread) by J's execution of X1-12

DH
Vocal
Kirbyoshi

Oh hey, three of my top picks (and the 4th one not even posting at the time, wooho!)

What scum would react in thread about the execution of their scum buddy?

I would also like to believe that Rockin is town. I actually did forget that X-1 flipped watcher, but wouldn't scum rocking know his Partner's role and not fake claim it? That or he thought he could get away with it because scum flipped watcher.

IDK, I would still be okay with a rockin lynch after the others.

and actually upon re-read of the specific passage where J asked everyone to vote for X1, I would also be down with a DH lynch. Mad scummy yo.

Tom/DH/Kirby toDay!

Tom pressure first?. He is only at L-4.

why are you so hesitant over a KY lynch? o.o;

Am I the only movie buff here? With the claims we have we can obviously see the one who is lieing. Ran even covered his butt by saying he protected Vocal of all people which makes absolutely no sense. A normal doctor would have protected me. I can't explain the no NK but seriously why has no one pointed out the flaw in all the claims we have? We have 5 claims and one out of them doesn't add up. What does this mean?

Unvote (for emphasis)
Vote: Ranmaru

He's lieing.

Only reason why I'm not totally going against it is because there was no NK on N1. Sure, we can say that someone had a BP or something, but really, we can't be sure and I do not want to force anymore to claiming. I will admit though that him not being a main character of sorts is sorta odd...

 

[th3kuzinator]

Even if there was a NK, who lynches an unCCd doc? No-one.

Because DH/Tom are scummier/better candidates than Kirby. Rockin, you should vote DH.

 

[th3kuzinator]

The kid plays mad weird all D1 and then, when J says, "DH, will you go for X1," he says

So were lynching X1?

Unvote, Vote:X1

He did not even think X1 was scummy until this point
At that time we only had about 3 hours left. Just looks like something he would have done to make himself look protown, instead of what swords did, not expecting that X1 would actually be killed. If anything he wanted to make a NL more of a possibility. Shows up again out of nowhere once X1 has died with

just be glad we are not NLing

not even suprised that J used an execute (not the most common occurrence).

Besides this, the boy has been playing scummy all game. I know it looks like typical Dark Horse, but thats not a valid reason we should not lynch his scummy arse.

 

[Delvro]

Mafia doctor assumes multiple killing roles, and multiple killing roles (at least compulsive ones) seem unlikely after a night which contained no night kills. Therefore I highly doubt a mafia doctor and you should too. By you I mean everyone.

I guess Dark Horse is a kind of decent lynch. I've never seen his scum play before though. Does he usually post this much as scum?

 

[th3kuzinator]

He did in halo mafia.

Also his 1395 reeks of sum

1. Jumping does make sense, as it probably means Ran gets to teleport his target away from the place before the NK occurs.
2. There is no mafia doctor. Entertaining that idea, after me explaining why its dumb, is dumb.
3. "I am just going to wait until they make a case on me"

so scummy.