Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[#HBC | Nabe]

Still haven't read earlier than this page. (20 p.p.p.)
DH, who's scum?

 

[th3kuzinator]

oh then i must look pretty scummy then.

read before that.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, now I'm on my second page obviously but you know what I mean.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kuz, it raises suspicions somewhat.

@nabe u. I'm getting a bad vibe from your "who's scum?" messages.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kuz, how is nabe town?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

EBWOP:Ignore that question.

Like I said, X1 calling slits out only makes them not maf. Wether they're Indy is a different story

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Vote: Rockin

L-2

Also, "Nice Point" is an anagram of "Inception." An amazing mod we have

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Still haven't read yet, you'll notice a theme here.

@nabe u. I'm getting a bad vibe from your "who's scum?" messages.

That's your only stance in a 1300-post game, then?
Who's scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Rockin, I hear you're scum. Why do people think you're scum? Tell me why, then tell me why they're wrong. Tell me who is scum. Claim. And do all of these things in any order you like, but all in the same post.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Read the thread and you'll realize that I have more stances. I just don't feel like telling you.

 

[Rockin]

Okay, I was finally able to look at Kuz's 'case' on me (I say that cause it's not actually that much of a 'case' of me...considering there is a lack of direct posts I made) and caught up with the thread (Holy **** on some events O.o)

I'm gonna first respond to the 'case' against me. I quote 'case' cause the quotes listed has nothing to do about what I directly said or did.

Well after we eliminate Sold2, Me and Sword we only have Rockin who was left on both wagons.

K, you're already at a bad start. Involving a FLAVOR case about what happened in the game I had nothing really to do.

Defending Rockin' despite him not having posted once the entire game.

Not sure how this is defending really, but w/e.

Also backing up Rockin'. He even says he is not trying to defend or buddy him. The fact that he included that last passage means he was aware of how his post might come off and wanted to make sure he was not viewed in that light. If he knew that, why not simply revise his post? Cuz it would lose the message of "stop picking on Rockin."

Would also like to note the Vocal skipped over the entire Cello/X1 vs Kuz thing at the start of the Day and only got interested when his boy Rockin came under fire.

I remember him saying that he was semi new to Mafia forum games, so it could be possible he didn't quite understood why everyone was already going against me, even though I havn't posted yet. I dunno, ask him.

ScumRockin buddying TownVocal? Probably.

So posting content on the first time of D1 and complimenting a semi new player's post content is buddying now? Sheesh.

Yeeeeah, is was a very crappy case on me. Like, the type of case one would make at last minute. You should seriously try a bit harder and uh...quote stuff I actually did, not what others have said to me. >>

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glad to see kirby, rockin and tanny took the the time to read my post and respond to it.

Considering how all three of them are my top pics.

That was hardly a case manz. I already explained why.

Actually its not, show me which parts. Its easy to give a blanket statement like that, lets see you back it up.

Does no one find it weird on how we were all okay with what I was doing before, and now J says something and I am already at L-2?

Look at the reasons for people coming onto my wagon! Omfg this is ridiculous.

I actually was not liking a bit of your posts on D1, and it gotten slightly worse on D2. The reason why I didn't go after you was cause my biggest and main concern was Kirbyoshi and his claim.

Rockin, do you really think Kuz is scum? Who are your 3 scum picks?

A fair good indication of it, especially if Kirbyoshi flips scum.

Kirbyoshi
Kuz

My third one WAS Cello, but now I'm uncertain (due to him replacing and how Dev is now reacting).

Seriously, speak for yourself.

Huh?

and to back that up, all one has to do with look at this

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12060109&postcount=946

"Ohh, Good Job Rockin'"

Idk if scumTanny is buddying townRockin or if its SvS but if Tanny were to flip scum I would see Kirby being town.

WTF? Did you just called me town!? I thought I was scum. Make up your mind!

Scum. Seemed like blindly following a townie to try and cruise through the game.

Not sure about blindly. Have you seen my reason of why I was going with J in the first place?

GODDAM Swords!

I told you in the QT that I would be making the joke about the number of cases.

gosh, people these days

Our mason QT that is

/badjoke

....really? You would joke at a time like this? -_-

......Wait. Rockin switched his vote from KY to Kuz.

That is an EXTREMELY scummy move.

I forgot about that part. After reading 29 pages I tend to skim a bit. Sorry.

I switched it only cause J wanted me to. He said we'll benefit more on a Kuz lynch now then going off on a KY lynch and then trying a Kuz lynch the next day or so (which is kinda eh, but...*shrugs* )

Tandora, Ariadne the mafia goon, has been modkilled.

The day continues

Woah. Did not see that coming. o.o

I don't even know what she did.

Holy ****

what is this, I don't even...

I mean wow. So confused now.

You're not the only one XD

the only connections the two make the entire D1

Rockin: Tanny, does cello have a man crush on me?
Tanny: No
Rockin: I like women

Oh yeah they just love to talk about content in thread. Gimme a break

Are you really gonna use this as a case against me? If that was the case, that would also incriminate you cause I asked you as well.

Rockin, I hear you're scum. Why do people think you're scum? Tell me why, then tell me why they're wrong. Tell me who is scum. Claim. And do all of these things in any order you like, but all in the same post.

They think that I'm scum because of my small connections with both Tandora and X1. Neither of them who I saw as scum at all (However, I did spoke my concern on X1's baseless wagons on people). The main thing that is scummy about me that they said is my semi lack of posts on D1/bit of D2 as well as my lack of stances on D1 (which really, I dislike voting someone who I don't feel is scummy.

I understand that my lack of posts/content might be a concern to some to most, but that's about the only thing. My connections with both of the scums is minimal at best. No type of distancing whatsoever, just someone who isn't in my current thought.

I still feel that KY and (to a current degree) Kuz is scum. Mainly KY. If you was to look back at D1, he claimed Obi-wan, the 'suicidal townie' with a pesudo Hatred townie-like claim (Meaning he'd have to self-hammer when he reaches L-1). Not only is that a very bad claim, but there's actually an existing Suicidal role definition that states that a townie NKs himself on N1

Now then...

J, what's with the flipflopping? I thought you wanted Kuz gone, yo.

Vocal, Tom - where are you guys?

I can see some people started to vote on me after the tandora modkill. Not sure how to really defend myself since the main cases against me is minimum connections with both Tanny and X1.

Not to mention the fact that I can't look at a thread without posting for a day. =/

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

They think that I'm scum because of my small connections with both Tandora and X1. Neither of them who I saw as scum at all (However, I did spoke my concern on X1's baseless wagons on people). The main thing that is scummy about me that they said is my semi lack of posts on D1/bit of D2 as well as my lack of stances on D1 (which really, I dislike voting someone who I don't feel is scummy.

I understand that my lack of posts/content might be a concern to some to most, but that's about the only thing. My connections with both of the scums is minimal at best. No type of distancing whatsoever, just someone who isn't in my current thought.

Not commenting on players who end up flipping scum practically at all in a game is pretty much just as good as having solid connections to them in the game, maybe even more so. It's a common strategy for scum mates often simply ignore their buddies. They simply weren't in your thoughts you say? Okay, maybe. However, you're main target was, and is, KY, correct? Well, thing is, going after that guy at this point is one of the easiest things you can do. Actually, I have to reread to see if this is true, but IIRC this ENTIRE GAME you've been going after some of the safest, easiest people that there is to go after.

^Gotta reread to confirm that, and will do so later.

@Nabe: In this order:

Rockin
Tom/Vocal
KY
Ran

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@Sworddancer.: How would that list change on the off chance that Rockin flips town?

 

[ranmaru]

@J:

I wanted your response.

I was suspicious of you because you pushed against X1 and he was scum. That seems too good to be true.

Meaning I saw you and Tandy pushing for it. The others seemed to be only wagoning.

No, I think Kuz is scum. That's why I have been asking him questions, and he didn't want to answer it. Specific questions, mind you.

I want to see what he says.

No harm in asking you a question.

Because you never really said anything about me before that I may remember. (Never remembered you saying Null either)

I'm not worried I simply wanted to know why. Back up your accusation with reasoning. You always say "Oh I'll be back later with a case" Stalling.

You nitpicked with my words, not the other way around. You said that I said you were changing the lynch to me, that is a lie. I never said that. But then Kirb comes in and says that I'm nit picky with your wording. Am I lying about that? If so, please, clear it up. Oh, you can't? I bet I know why.


I'm not going to ignore someone accusing me. I will ask them why they think so. No harm done there. You didn't want to explain at the time.

I have a reason for asking Kuz about me and vocal. (His town reads on us)

Also ironic how you have Tandora at the end of your list, now that she came up scum. I still don't trust you at all.

 

[th3kuzinator]

More like

Rockin
Ranmaru
DarkHorse
Tom
Vocal
KY

Imo

Could you save us so valuable time and claim now Rockin?

Everyone else is town. Kirbyoshi and Vocal look townie but are not confirmed imo

I think mafia is between Ran/Rockin

Indy could be anyone except J really. Indy would have no problem going on X1's wagon that close to the deadline.

Rockin, i'm not scum. And "they were simply not on my mind," is not a very good defense.

 

[Delvro]

I still feel that KY and (to a current degree) Kuz is scum. Mainly KY. If you was to look back at D1, he claimed Obi-wan, the 'suicidal townie' with a pesudo Hatred townie-like claim (Meaning he'd have to self-hammer when he reaches L-1). Not only is that a very bad claim, but there's actually an existing Suicidal role definition that states that a townie NKs himself on N1

Rockin, my biggest concern with you is that you switched your vote from KY to Kuz even though you clearly really wanted KY lynched.

KY's claim is really scummy. I agree with you. I liked your case. You seemed like you were confident in your case.

....so why switch your vote to Kuz? You think he's MORE scummy than KY? Puh-lease.

And no, I don't believe that Tandora's scum flip clears KY. If Rockin flipped town, I would lynch KY in a heartbeat. His claim is seriously buggy and open to abuse, at least by the way he states his role.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and if people thing it will garner support I would be okay with a Ranmaru lynch toDay.

Could you save us so valuable time and claim now Rockin?

No, I think Kuz is scum. That's why I have been asking him questions, and he didn't want to answer it. Specific questions, mind you.

I want to see what he says.

No harm in asking you a question.

Stop getting butthurt because we think you're scummy. J is freaking town. I can't believe you could actually think otherwise at this point ffs. Also, sure call it WIFOM, but why would me and X1 and Tandora bash heads repeatedly if I was their scum buddy.

You know, as much as everyone else does, that your questions were unimportant and only created side avenues that we did not need to focus on. You're saying no harm is done in questioning why people are accusing you, well J made an entire case, which is much more than you have done for any one of us. Just asked silly questions that were not relevant to the major plays.

Oh and before you pester me as to why you are now at the top of my scum list, lets just say that, with Tanny's flip, my re-read shed some new light on things. That + everything else that has already been brought up against you.

 

[ranmaru]

Btw J I still need to re-read the page where you had the Kuz case. So my bad if I have asked questions about things you have already said.

Anyways, I believe Kuz is scum. Earlier on I didn't want to vote kuz because everyone was on him. Even X1. Weird. Why wouldn't Kirb say that X1 might bus his partner early on instead of just semi-ignoring people? (Which Kirb then said that would be me)

So it's Kuz/Kirb for me.

Kuz can't come up with a reason to say why I am slightly town. Before he said I play the same way as always. Then he noticed a difference. And why me and vocal are town... I have been asking him questions which seem unimportant to you guys, but I cannot say why they are. I am the only one who knows this.

I want Kuz dead. Kirb second. Also... Cello never went after X1 or Tandy. Seems as though his reads were wrong?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Ran, would you mind re-posting 1294 with quotes from J? The way you did it really confuses me.

Also, you took "I wouldn't mind lynching Ran, but I'd prefer kuz" as "OMG RAN IS SCUM LYNCH HIM EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT VOTING FOR HIM LULZ". That's how you were nitpicking. Or maybe that's not the right word. Maybe I mean the exact opposite (as in, maybe you didn't look at his post hard enough). The point is, it's a form of twisting.

 

[ranmaru]

Vote:Kuz .

 

[th3kuzinator]

I might switch to Ranmaru depending on Rockin's claim. I have a reason to suspect that Rockin may not be mafia, but I would need his claim to verify something.

 

[ranmaru]

Sure I'll repost it shortly.

 

[ranmaru]

Well even if J wanted Kuz over me, I wanted to know why he said that.

I don't think he can use the posts after that because that's only me asking him about his statement.

So I guess he wanted Kuz/Ran because I was asking him specific questions?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Thx d00d.

Btw, I'd also switch to Ran if it looks like Rockin's wagon is losing steam/he actually posts good defenses.

 

[Rockin]

Not commenting on players who end up flipping scum practically at all in a game is pretty much just as good as having solid connections to them in the game, maybe even more so. It's a common strategy for scum mates often simply ignore their buddies. They simply weren't in your thoughts you say? Okay, maybe. However, you're main target was, and is, KY, correct? Well, thing is, going after that guy at this point is one of the easiest things you can do. Actually, I have to reread to see if this is true, but IIRC this ENTIRE GAME you've been going after some of the safest, easiest people that there is to go after.

Yeah, that's also understandable.

Also, I never had a target D1. I only had a target D2, and that was KY. Not sure how it's 'safe' or w/e

Rockin, i'm not scum. And "they were simply not on my mind," is not a very good defense.

I don't expect it to be the best defense. I'm just merely telling the truth.

In anycase, I'm Batman, the watcher. I can watch anyone that gets a visit, basically. I breadcrumbed this role twice. One where I was giving an example about the Mafia Trickster. The other time when I was listing off some roles (to which I mention both a cop, a doctor, a watcher, etc. Both a cop and a watcher are investigative roles).

N1 I watched Sir/Tom. Out of all, he hardly said a lot, and it's a good scum tactic to NK the inactives so as to not give town information. I could've watched J, but I felt Mafia wouldn't try to kill off someone who has a high chance of being docced.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ran, your town three scum picks, Me KY and Cello are all town.

How do you feel about this?

Also your reasoning is really shoddy like, even J's case had more merit than that.

1. I explained in my large post why I thought you were provisionally town, I suggest you actually read it.
2. You do play the same way for both town and scum. You play pretty scummy regardless, but I am particularly getting that vibe from you D2 play.
3. Those questions are unimportant and, despite you yourself thinking they hold merit, they really dont. Also funny how you don't even want to explain their significance to anyone but just say " I am the only one who knows this."

 

[th3kuzinator]

unvote

so sir bed/tom was not visited by anyone?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote Ranmaru

Lets get it going.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Unvote Rockin, Vote: Ranmaru

Good game all. FLAWLESS VICTORY.

 

[Delvro]

I don't really get the Ranmaru lynch.

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, my biggest concern with you is that you switched your vote from KY to Kuz even though you clearly really wanted KY lynched.

KY's claim is really scummy. I agree with you. I liked your case. You seemed like you were confident in your case.

....so why switch your vote to Kuz? You think he's MORE scummy than KY? Puh-lease.

And no, I don't believe that Tandora's scum flip clears KY. If Rockin flipped town, I would lynch KY in a heartbeat. His claim is seriously buggy and open to abuse, at least by the way he states his role.

Like I said in my big post, I switched it because of J. I told him I wanted KY GONE. I disliked his claim, and I was so confident, that if KY DID flip town, I would be willingly lynched. If KY came up as scum, I would've went with a Kuz lynch the next Day cause the moment when I mentioned my dislike and reason of the claim, Kuz put the scum label on me.

For the moment, Kuz is scummy TO A DEGREE. If KY flips scum, it would make his scumminess more valid.

 

[ranmaru]

Whoa whoa I'm looking for J's post and I get a pile of votes. I'll claim early as well.

I'm the doc. I protected Vocal. That is why I have been asking Kuz about Vocal and me. The end.

 

[Rockin]

unvote

so sir bed/tom was not visited by anyone?

No, no one.

also I really don't like the sudden Ran push thar. o.o;

 

[ranmaru]

I feel as though Kirb is in it to Wagon though.

 

[ranmaru]

J, if this is inception mafia, then why is tery jack sparrow/given the safe claim of jack sparrow.

@delv

Ran's flip confirmed it and got rid of almost all doubts

You should know this answer before even asking this question. Shows you were skimming.



You would have already found your answer if you were to have read the previous 2 pages from this post. I mean There was obviously a reason for me wanting to lynch him if I got a total of 4 people on the wagon. Did you think people really just hopped on to hop on?



You are playing a middleman in this post where you are not calling anyone directly scummy but saying you do not like what you are seeing so far. Also why is Tanny the only one calling kuzi scum? KY has, Rockin has stated he sees kuzi's scummy behaviour, and Tery iirc has said he is not liking kuzi. Also let's look at the bolded sentence in question:



The last bolded part is extremely telling. "as if you were scum." You say this as if you are 100% certain that th3kuzi is not scum and you say it as though it were apalling that it was to be suggested he were scum. But another thing to bring up is that you have stated that Kuzi/KY are your scum picks. That last part is just worded in such a way I cannot let it go without calling it a scum-slip.



The cop question has such an obvious answer to ask if



You knew the answer to this if you have read. Skimming strike again. Did you even read what has transpired on this one rl day?



This is important how to my current read on you how?



I am bringing up this post which started all this from Ranmaru. Ranmaru has been getting extremely defensive about me just saying that I was wondering why I wanted to lynch him. I never even made a definitive decision if I wanted to follow this but he fell for the trap and continued to get more and more worried about what I was doing and has been trying to nit-pick what I have said as in words but has not really done anything with what I have directly said. I wanted to see what his reaction would be to me saying that he could be a lynch candidate and he to be quite frank failed. He continues to try and ask questions that do not hold that much info and th3kuzi has even pointed it out in huge, bold, underlined letters that it was unimportant. Also what has Ran been doing as scum-hunting? He has seemed active enough but has he persued someone directly? He has been saying he has his eye on me but why has he not put his vote on me yet? In fact why has he not put his vote on anyone yet iirc. Let's see.....

I'm strongly thinking of moving to Ran.

Unvote
Vote: Ranmaru

th3kuzinator is no way done and I still have enough to do this: HoS: th3kuzinator

But I'm feeling Ran at the moment more. Also lynch chain?

th3kuzi/Ran>>>Dark Horse>>>Kirbyoshi/Rockin>>>Tandora

Kirb, that's the quote you asked for.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh, and DH. Where have I "flipped"?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I feel as though Kirb is in it to Wagon though.

I wonder what gave you that impression.

 

[ranmaru]

For a while now. Kirb has been trying to twist my words many many times. He has been trying to pin me as scummy.

 

[th3kuzinator]

For the moment, Kuz is scummy TO A DEGREE. If KY flips scum, it would make his scumminess more valid.

You do realize there is only one mafia player left?

Going by our "joint-scuminess" and the fact that there is only one scum left, that would make us both town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

oh missed that doc claim.

Character, Ran?