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Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

ranmaru

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Well I want to lynch Kuz over Kirb. Let's wait for the others.
 

th3kuzinator

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K lets do some clearing assuming everything said is correct.

Me
J
Swords
DH
Cello
Delvro
Ranmaru
Rockin
Vocal

which leaves

Kirbyoshi
Tom
Dark Horse

Wow I love claiming
 

ranmaru

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It's more along the lines of

Kuz/Kirb/J for me.
 

th3kuzinator

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I say we can wait for Dark Horse until tomorrow.

Kirbyoshi
Tom

Hmph.

Mehhhhhhhhhhh but KY is town.

Tom has only posted once toDay.

I guess I would still be okay with Kirby since suicidal townies need to die anyway.
 

ranmaru

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"Mehhhhhhhhhhh but KY is town.

I guess I would still be okay with Kirby "

Really? Convince me.

You guess you would be ok with lynching a townie? Why?
 

ranmaru

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I don't understand that role. What does it do?
 

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If you don't believe someone is scum, don't vote for him.

But listen to his role.

"If I ever get to L-1, my next post must be a vote for myself or I get modkilled/indy survivor"

That's KY's role. Problem is, it has a loophole. A big one.

If KY gets to L-1, all he has to do is NOT POST. Problem solved.

.....And that's why I don't believe KY's role.
 

ranmaru

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Ok, so if he DOESN'T post, we can see that he doesn't want to be modkilled/become survivor.

What prevents us from lynching him if he doesn't post?
 

th3kuzinator

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We need to discern if Vocal is town from that doc protect or if there is a BP townie somewhere.

We also need to hear from Vocal and Tom who have been totally inactive this entire game.

I would like to think that Ran's protection was legit and that vocal is town so I think we should at least put some pressure in this direction.

Unvote
Vote Tom

Ran, please tell me why you thought Vocal was a better doc target than another confirmed townie.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Guys, just so you all know, Rockin is not cleared. Watcher is just a rare enough role that scum could very well get away with fake claiming it.

Now, that said, it makes me feel better about Rockin, so I'm gonna have to

unvote
vote Tom
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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Oh, and DH. Where have I "flipped"?
Eh? Where have i asked that?

So rockin is probably clear.

Ran, does your role pm state any reasons as to why griffin is that doctor? From his description on wikipedia, he seems more like a commuter-esque role to me
 

th3kuzinator

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Yeah breadcrumbs from both claims would be beneficial...specially from Ran's.

Also I just thought this quote from X1 was interesting. Its what gave me some doubts about Rockin being mafia upon my second re-read.

X1 said:
#476 if Tan is scum, look at Rockin
That + claiming a PR makes me feel safe keeping Rockin alive for now. We can also get some info out of him. If ran Docs Rockin and Rockin watches Ran we can keep both alive for the time being.
 

th3kuzinator

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So I would put Rockin on the back burner

We need to make sure Vocal is town

Leaves

Kirby, Tom imo as the top two

Vocal/DH are still candidates

Anyone in support of Tom/Vocal/DH claiming? That, or even a mass claim? Doc is already outed.
 

ranmaru

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Why are we voting tom? Because he is inactive? Did he even get a chance to re-read and post?
 

#HBC | Dancer

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He's inactive and is in an iffy gray area in realtion to the two flipped players. Spefically for the reason we have not seen anything from him makes him dangerous.

Ran have you told us why you protected Vocal yet? Please tell us so if not.

Btw not too sure about mass role claim right now. I don't like the thought of outing the rest of the powerroles but I do feel more confident now that we're (probably) only down to one scummie left.

So I guess I'm for it.

Hope you know what you're doing Kuz.
 

th3kuzinator

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tbqh I was thinking about the idea for a bit and I have decided against it.

We already have a doc who can successfully protect one PR while he can watch the doc to see who NKs him. This will effectivly save Ranmaru and Rockin from certain death for quite awhile that is, if Rockin is actually a watcher. I still doubt scum rockin would have claimed watcher before everyone else (it would be too risky if someone CCd, scum would be done). I know scumRan would definitely not fake claim doc, because that would be 100% CCd.

I think we are on a fine plateau for D2 tbqh.

We have

Dark Horse
Tom
Kirbyoshi
Vocal

We lynch one of the top three and get the cop to get a result for the two remaining survivors (Until we hear from him, I want to say Vocal is town because of Ran protection and playstyle). If there are any BP townies, claim soon so we can either clear Vocal or add him back to the list. In two Days we will have eliminated or found out the alignment of everyone in that grouping which I feel is the last pot for scum.

So yeah, scratch that mass claim idea, cop just get a result from someone on that list (flip a coin if you have to) and we will probably pressure most of them toDay.

I would say everyone else is town until CCd or proven otherwise.

Thoughts? And yeah I think the first one we should pressure is Tom, since we know Kirbyoshi's claim and we have extremely little info from Tom. Vocal looks the towniest of the bunch and Dark Horse only looks scummy because he plays like Dark Horse.

Sword said:
Ran have you told us why you protected Vocal yet? Please tell us so if not.
And ^^^
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Almost done my read.

It's worth pointing out re: X1's flip that "Tricker" isn't the same as "Trickster". I'm wondering about Vocal and how he pushed so hard for a Tanny investigation last Day at least 5 times. (501 and 564 for example.) Tricker almost sounds like a lawyer/framer-type role which is why I'm a little wary of what originally looked like a strong series of town posts from Vocal, and the possibility that he was trying to set up an investigation on her. X1 made a post later in the Day that also threw some scum points on Tanny (630) which would amount to him "scumhunting" and her still being fine toDay post-investigation.
 

th3kuzinator

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Thanks for being on top of that read Nabe, I can see you are chugging that out.

In soul caliber, towards the end of D1, after X1 has rarely mentioned me the entire game, he made this long *** post on my scuminess out of nowhere which had the opposite effect that we wanted.

I wanted to bring that exact same point up about what he did to Tandora, but I was afraid of people just harping on me for using meta, which I still think is an accurate indicator.

Also, yeah, until everyone claims not BP, vocal is still a possible suspect.

I bet there is a flavor cop or something that is specifically tricked if investigating X1. IE, the equivalent of a Godfather if town does not have a full fledged cop.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Town
Kuz (84/85 and similar interactions with X1/Tan. 622. 1003.)
J (298, as well as his execution obviously.)
Delvro (by nature of Cello's D1 but also his play toDay.)

Less Town
Swords - 299 and 302. 387 maybe. Didn't like 256.
Ran - town-ish, 609 is a good example. I've seen him claim under small amounts of pressure as town so the claim is typical. Really don't like the Vocal pick; the lack of NK suggests it's true. Bleh.
Kirbs - 419 and 423 are towncore in retrospect. Kirbs also has some scummy/questionable posts though. 107, 127, 132, 144, 210, 233, 266, 283, 306. 485. 1010 was lol.

Much Less Town
DH - no clue. Looking at 179, town, but in general, ugh.
Vocal - iffy. 269 is town. 250 and 300, hmm. 501 and 564 look great in retrospect as mentioned in 1356, but I'm concerned about the nature of X1's role. Otherwise I'd be willing to label him town.
Rockin - Scum if not for his claim. 389. Scum already flipped a watcher, so the presence of a town one would point to indy.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Oh, I left out Bed/Tom. Null, no noteworthy posts, but a decent lynch obviously and especially with two scum dead. X1/Tan didn't leave a paper trail aside from Rockin (whose claim takes him out of the running) so no connections on Bed's part doesn't mean much.
 
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